List Mgmt. Crows Defence
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So are they allow to attack at all
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They can. They just don't. Also see Post ACL Tom Doedee.
So if they see the opportunity they don’t take it, is that correct
Just needing more clarification it sounds like a BS title to me, I’m after an explanation to it
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Incorrect.
They are just not very good at it.
Its just like the now almost extinct pure tagger.
Luke Brown has gone the way of (edit) Robert Shirley.
So what is his job
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Whose job?
This lock down defender thing
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I don't know your posting history so not sure if trolling or just daft.
Whole conversation is that there used to be players in the AFL whose entire career and selection within an AFL team was based purely on shutting down a direct AFL opponent.
In todays AFL this is becoming rare as AFL teams are requiring players to also be able to be very attacking.
This is how I understand it too. It’s a player who is selected to do a defensive job, with little expectation they will contribute much else.
You can argue how tight the defensive focus is, or was but eg Daniel Talia’s job was to stop the best key forward, plus I guess contribute to whatever zone defence we were running. I assume he wasn’t expected to play a significant role in anything else. His value was his value as a defensive defender.
What is daft is this lock down defender title BS
Back in our day we called them full backs and back pockets.
Half back flankers and centre half backs have always had a licence to attack, even when I was playing under 17’s so many decades ago
The game has evolved now where instead of the ‘lockdown’ players killing the ball and forcing a stoppage they can run off their man to set up an attacking play. It’s good when it works but it’s terrible when it doesn’t, like Charlie Cameron last year.
Lock down is such a BS title they are all defendersBack in our day we called them full backs and back pockets.
Half back flankers and centre half backs have always had a licence to attack, even when I was playing under 17’s so many decades ago
The game has evolved now where instead of the ‘lockdown’ players killing the ball and forcing a stoppage they can run off their man to set up an attacking play. It’s good when it works but it’s terrible when it doesn’t, like Charlie Cameron last year.
Oh look, an early contender for most inane forum argument of the year.
You post regularly in the AflW thread which I find the same so don’t post there, so maybe try something similar hot shot
Jordan Butts
Daniel Talia in some ways
Someone who’s value is mainly about them stopping opposition forwards more than providing much offence
We actually don’t have many which is good as it’s not the way the game is heading
No… give it a go
It’s actually something coaches and recruiters etc talk about
Modern day defenders have changed , most are very offensive and able to come off their man at right times to provide offence
I’d say Butts is only one we have that I’d call pure lockdown
Murray , Keane , Worrell , Max etc all have an ability to find plenty of the ball themselves and help offence
I just don’t like the title Lock down, it’s always been for the defender to beat his opponent, and set up their attacks, I just think the term lock down is bull shit, modern day term but the principle has always been the same
Yep but you admit it’s a thing in AFL these days which it is
Fair enough if you don’t rate it ( which is what you’re telling us )
I do believe defences have changed massively from our days playing footy
Go watch Darcy Moore live for example and Alex Rance before him ….. that type of style of defender didn’t exist back in the 1980s where the game was very 1 on 1
Now some of the most attacking players play in the backlines eg Nick Daicos in debut year , Wayne Milera etc
Max is actually the next level defender coming through that will eventually be able to provide high level offence as well as elite defence
When he’s called a lock down defender to me it’s just a defender doing his job
In defence meetings I would hear them say play close and win the early contests then play off them and make them second guess, so are the six lock down defenders or what?
