News Crows Press Conference - The Fallout Continues *now with poll*

[Donkey Magoo]

I suspect they laid off of their core work a bit. Can hurt pretty bad if they increase the load.

 

[Rotayjay]

Somebody mentioned we are being ridiculed by the media. Seems to be so. Probably the usual Victorian kick the Crows mentality but Let me post something from Ladbrokes (?)site for round 15 -
,,'collective mindless Crows'. 'Season has been a nightmare, plagued by the Grand Final capitulation, the pre-season camp from hell and.....dumping theCM program that has plagued the cub this season'

None of the other AFL Clubs has anything remotely disparaging written about them. Is it just kick the Crows or is it truly how ridiculous we are now seen?

There are large sections of the (not the entire) AFL community which hate the Crows. Is it leftover jealousy about how we won our two flags unexpectedly in our seventh and eighth seasons? Is it because we are seen as a Camry franchise? (Our early marketing didn't do us any favours there).

Last year I got a sense of grudging admiration and respect, and a widespread expectation that we would beat Richmond on GF day. I will never forget sitting down killing time a couple of hours before the bounce and reading tips on The Roar and Bigfooty. Every single person - save for a couple - was tipping the Crows. One article was titled 'Adelaide Are What Every AFL Club Should Be'.

'Well they won the national anthem!' one of the radio commentators said as the Crows still stood doing the stance while the Richmond players broke. We all know what happened next.

In the social media age, convenient amusing stories get lapped up, repeated and plastered everywhere ad nauseum. This is how a lot of people saw the 2017 grand final: the 'interstate fruit tingles franchise' go into a GF as favourites and do the now-infamous power stance. They get embarrassed by 48 points. Their moustachioed captain, who had booked an aeroplane seat for the premiership cup and had stood so steely in the stance, is now sullen and can't bring himself to say more than a couple of sentences as a concession speech. 'Taylor Walker is the poster-boy of arrogance,' one Bigfooty poster later said.

Then Lever pisses off and stories start circulating about just how acrimonious his departure is. For some reason, whenever South Australians raise a concern about something, it's 'chip on the shoulder', 'whingeing', 'losers' or 'get over yourseves'. When a Victorian says or does the same things, it's all right.

We, a strong club contending for a premiership, have imploded and this is partly self-inflicted with the hiring of people like Burton. When you see this dramatic implosion through the eyes of a clickbait writer journo, it's not hard to see why our fall from grace has attracted so much attention. Since the sun rose on Grand Final Day 2017, the AFC has been a clickbait writer's paradise.

 

[FantasticShirt]

It’s interesting comparing the Melbourne pre-season camp fiasco versus the Crows pre-season camp fiasco.

The initial reports and player unrest about Melbourne was significantly worse in my opinion. AFLPA were involved, Goodwin (rumored) threatens to quit, players split with leadership group, players physically injured, players refuse to attend. Club ditches the camp and they move on.

Adelaide’s was “weirder” on initial report and then the real issues about poor handling of culturally sensitive issues come out. Wives and partners upset. Club goes to ground. Sends players and Burton to dismiss everything and talk glowingly about the camp without any real detail. Media and rumours feed the story. Club eventually ditches the camp 6 months later.

Melbourne have the benefit of wining games and no major injury list. But it’s a pretty interesting comparison.

 

[relapse]

Do you know this is fact? Or are you just repeating it for the sake of it? Just stop. If Burton introduced it without Board approval (if in fact board approval is required) then he will be dealt with accordingly.

Actually to clarify, this is what Caro said.

"After the Kurt Tippett affair, Chapman established at Adelaide a ''professional standards and integrity committee'' and yet despite the radical nature of the camp — overseen by Collective Minds creator Amon Woulfe — the exercise bypassed the committee. Senior welfare staff at the Crows were also left largely in the dark."

Linda Fellows who sits on the board is also the Chair of the PSI Committee so I would love to know how it managed to get through the Board without her knowledge (if it actually did go through the Board).

 

[jackster83]

I see the club has started updating their photo galleries again. The we want answers brigade will be happy.

Great to see Smith back out there.

 

[SaltPeter]

Bikes. They brought back the bikes.

Neil Craig and Charlie Walsh revisited?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It’s NOT delicate mind training FFS. You heard Pyke say what they wanted to get out of it. Resilience. Connectedness and Bonding. They weren’t going in to brainwash the fellas. Problem A: They used an aboriginal artefact (talking stick) to pass around the group. This offended an indigenous player (likely Hampton) because he apparently had connections to the artefact. Once they were made aware of his problem, they sought clarification from the Elder and then passed that on to Hampton. This was resolved within 72 hours of the camp. Problem B: No phones allowed. This is standard operating procedure on any training program. The players were allowed to contact loved ones and there were emergency numbers available for any external emergencies. Pyke categorically said Eddie was able to contact Anna. Problem C: Sharing information that made some players feel vulnerable. This type of training is undertaken every fricken day in corporate training programs across the country. It does NOT NEED psychologists to run and facilitate. What it does need is an environment where the participants feel safe and supported. Pyke said there was a lot of support. This is no way lessens the fact that it still made some players feel uncomfortable. Training like this is meant to stretch you, otherwise, why do it in the first place? The Club tried something new, and did not achieve the results they had hoped for. As the AFLPA have looked into the Camp and determined that all issues had been dealt with, just put the bloody thing to bed already.

Burton is another issue completely - and not because of his lack of skills in front of a rabid press corps, rather the disasterous fitness and high performance program. That’s where we should be focusing our energies on.

What the training is called is irrelevant. What is relevant is that we used unqualified people without a proper experience to conduct sessions with our staff. I have no issue trying something different to improve the mental strength of the team, but I do have a major issue using someone who is a charlatan.

This just confirms for me that Burton is of poor judgement & should not be in a senior management role. Agree with you on our poor fitness & conditioning, which is just further evidence Burton is out of his depth in his role.

I want success for our side & this means getting quality people in the right roles. Burton has singlehandedly destroyed our season as we have one of the best squads to challenge for a flag, but it counts for nothing when we can't get many of our team on the park in a healthy state, both physically & mentally.

 

[jaytex]

When Phil was murdered, our Club ensured there were professionals in place to help the players deal with their grief. This training camp was not that and I don’t know why you would suspect it was or needed to be.

That wasn't the question.

The question was very clear.

Your deliberate and total avoidance of an actual answer speaks volumes.

 

[Dank Academy]

I appreciate that many on this board would have a dislike for Hutchy and Barrett. If you have the time and/or inclination, put that to one side and have a listen to this from about the 32 min mark, and you'll hear how the press conference should have been handled.

https://omny.fm/shows/the-sounding-board/s3-ep23-standards-falling

 

[Doctor B]

I suspect they laid off of their core work a bit. Can hurt pretty bad if they increase the load.

Surely not, it would be a fundamental at a professional club with an industry leading fitness department!!
Core strength work was significant in the reduction of OP rates in the AFL.

 

[1970crow]

For all Reid's faults he's the main reason we have 2 Premiership Cups in the trophy cabinet

Reid was our footy manager. He was driven to create a premiership winning group, that's his job. Of course, he should be across the rules and regulations. But just in case his enthusiasm for a flag gets the best of him, there was a hands on compliance manager that had final authority on any deals verbally agreed to. His name was Steven Trigg.

 

[Donkey Magoo]

Surely not, it would be a fundamental at a professional club with an industry leading fitness department!!
Core strength work was significant in the reduction of OP rates in the AFL.

Yes you are right.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Reid was our footy manager. He was driven to create a premiership winning group, that's his job. Of course, he should be across the rules and regulations. But just in case his enthusiasm for a flag gets the best of him, there was a hands on compliance manager that had final authority on any deals verbally agreed to. His name was Steven Trigg.

A good club has checks & balances in place.

We didn't when we let Reid go rogue & worse Trigg stopped us from fixing the problem with a trade vetoed to Brisbane.

Now we have Burton going rogue, without being properly overseen.

 

[1970crow]

He was also proud of his performance on Franklin

On average it wasn't too bad.

 

[1970crow]

Yeh, because there'd be a lot of in depth discussion in that space and of course the conclusion to the question would be locked in by now.

 

[1970crow]

I don't know what press conference you are referring to but my knowledge of Brett Burton is that he is someone that any normal person should admire. A nothing kid from Whyalla who has made himself a high flying football manager at an AFL club and a champion footballer by the age of less than 40 then no I wouldn't call him incompetent by any stretch.

So many stories of admiring people that start low and end high but what they do when they get there ruins it all. Can you think of any names that fit your simplistic criteria. Any?

 

[deltablues]

Show me who their facilitators are. Do you know? I’ve been saying for weeks that this type of training happens in corporate Australia all the time and they often (mostly) are not facilitated by psychologists. I’ve run them, I’ve attended them. I’m telling you, it’s common practice.

Pardon my intrusion - not Crows bashing but interested in corporate admin issues- I'm assuming you state a fact re 'common practice' .

But common practice does not trump duty of care/standard of care [Tort Law]. Otherwise we can all channel some TW country as our benchmark.

I've had dealings with quite a few 'trainers'. Many are by any objective analysis grifters, shills and hucksters leveraging the corporate blue-sky world of change management.

Upside - hey, maybe AFC learned a lesson. But who on the Org Chart acknowledges that?

 

[1970crow]

Brisbane rejected these clowns. Allegedly Burton didn’t go through the proper channels to get it through here.
Doesn’t sound like the brightest bloke around.

Burton didn't have the authority of a GM of Footy at Brisbane. There he was answerable to his current position, here, he's answerable to Fagan. Remember the "right people in the right seats" bloke? Currently clearing his mechanism at a gym near you or while jogging down a street in your area.

 

[1970crow]

Sorry, don't know what that means either.

It's not rocket science. If you can't twig to that, then the rest of the adult conversation is well beyond your reach.

 

[Jenkins4]

I guess this is as good a place a any; wasn’t Rob Chapman supposed to be on the Footy Show tonight?

Could be wrong but I vaguely remember Eddie saying something last week.

 

[1970crow]

Given you’re posting in a thread about a press conference that you don’t know existed, it’s fair to say my description is on the money.

This peanut cannot be for real. Actually posted as a matter of fact that he/she could have chosen to work for the club and is trying to get a couple of board members to work for him/her. Seriously, this is Alex times 1000, yes, Alex,000. Probably the most bizarre convo we've seen on this board, and that's saying something.

 

[King Elvis]

 

[jenny61_99]

Actually to clarify, this is what Caro said.

"After the Kurt Tippett affair, Chapman established at Adelaide a ''professional standards and integrity committee'' and yet despite the radical nature of the camp — overseen by Collective Minds creator Amon Woulfe — the exercise bypassed the committee. Senior welfare staff at the Crows were also left largely in the dark."

Linda Fellows who sits on the board is also the Chair of the PSI Committee so I would love to know how it managed to get through the Board without her knowledge (if it actually did go through the Board).

How is a footy camp related to contracts exactly? “Radical nature” Jesus Christ.

 

[jenny61_99]

Reid was our footy manager. He was driven to create a premiership winning group, that's his job. Of course, he should be across the rules and regulations. But just in case his enthusiasm for a flag gets the best of him, there was a hands on compliance manager that had final authority on any deals verbally agreed to. His name was Steven Trigg.

And that’s not correct in this instance. Reid had carte Blanche. Trigg did not find out until he returned from overseas.

 

[Elite Crow]

This peanut cannot be for real. Actually posted as a matter of fact that he/she could have chosen to work for the club and is trying to get a couple of board members to work for him/her. Seriously, this is Alex times 1000, yes, Alex,000. Probably the most bizarre convo we've seen on this board, and that's saying something.

I can’t comment, I’ve decided to avoid nutjob sucks.