News Crows Press Conference - The Fallout Continues *now with poll*

[DJ75]

I think we are spending far too much time worrying about this camp in comparison to the amount of time spent discussing injuries, fitness and our hiring process.

Why? probably because it's easier to come up with elaborate theories conspiracy theories and whatever else when talking about something we don't know a lot about. We are a couple of news cycles off believing the club literally tried to reprogram their brains without using qualified brain surgeons or something.

I think Lloyd said on Classified that they did some sort of SAS Training or something and were woken up at 3am with shouting and screaming and had to go and do some grueling training or something, it happens, the Richmond song? if it had THAT much of an effect on the players that it traumatized them, imagine if the first time they heard it was on Adelaide Oval back in round 2.

I'm certain there was plenty that wasn't great about the camp and CM in general, I'm also pretty sure it was probably dealt with well before the bye. I'd guess that most stress on the players and the club because of the camp since then has been the ridicule and pressure from the media, this would have probably been a big factor when parting ways with them.

I read an interesting article last week about some research done on online communities, like here, Twitter, Facebook groups etc. and probably applies to the followers of footy media in general as another similar group, basically most people sign up or engage based on a similar trigger (negative or positive), the majority view then dominates and we selectively choose to believe anything that could support that view as fact (Lynch has signed so it HAS to mean Rory Sloane has declared he is leaving - rather than it being a possibility - maybe he is, maybe it does, but we have no idea, but it soon becomes fact), eventually people with a different view leave or just aren't heard and the community reaches a point where we are only filtering in information that supports one way of thinking, we are then more likely to believe introduced conspiracy theories that are completely made up, as long as it supports the majority view.

I think here we tend to amplify the negative, Facebook groups I'm aware of lean the other way. I think the media probably play on this, you get it to the tipping point and you can say anything. The reality is probably always somewhere in the middle, but unfortunately that would probably be pretty boring.

OK so FAR too much insight and common sense here. Going by what you have just said I would say;

 

[jenny61_99]

Other clubs probably do run similar camps. Only difference is theirs are run competently by people who know what they're doing. We got a team of shysters to run ours.

Show me who their facilitators are. Do you know? I’ve been saying for weeks that this type of training happens in corporate Australia all the time and they often (mostly) are not facilitated by psychologists. I’ve run them, I’ve attended them. I’m telling you, it’s common practice.

 

[jaytex]

I do have enough information to say that the fitness dept whoever is actually making the decisions (Hass with Burtons ok presumably) have had more hamstrings than any team i remember so logic tells you they were doing something different that didnt work but i could say what exactly that was as they havent said, although they have said they reviewed and changed it whatever it was.

Don said (let slip?) on Triple M this morning that the hamstring issue actually was a result of something that was *removed* from this year's strength / conditioning program, compared to previous years.

Apparently the review means it's now back. Whatever 'it' is...

 

[jaytex]

Show me who their facilitators are. Do you know? I’ve been saying for weeks that this type of training happens in corporate Australia all the time and they often (mostly) are not facilitated by psychologists. I’ve run them, I’ve attended them. I’m telling you, it’s common practice.

Serious question -

If you were managing a team in corporate Australia that had been through a recent and significant shared trauma and grieving process that was played out in the public sphere, would you choose to embark on a resilience-focused mind training program that was not created or underpinned by qualified psychologists?

 

[DJ75]

Don said (let slip?) on Triple M this morning that the hamstring issue actually was a result of something that was *removed* from this year's strength / conditioning program, compared to previous years.

Apparently the review means it's now back. Whatever 'it' is...

stretching?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Show me who their facilitators are. Do you know? I’ve been saying for weeks that this type of training happens in corporate Australia all the time and they often (mostly) are not facilitated by psychologists. I’ve run them, I’ve attended them. I’m telling you, it’s common practice.

Corporate Australia.

I rest my case, folks.

 

[Southerntakeover]

If anyone's got the time, they should go back through this thread and compile all of the various claims made by particular posters about their personal expertise and qualifications, usually offered in support of the suggestion that there's nothing to see here.

It's remarkable that in a board faction so full of forbes 500 CEOs, board members, medical professionals, psychologists, high end government consultants, military experts, the fastest man in the world and junior vice presidents that there is so very little insight available.

 

[Slippery Pete]

If anyone's got the time, they should go back through this thread and compile all of the various claims made by particular posters about their personal expertise and qualifications, usually offered in support of the suggestion that there's nothing to see here.

It's remarkable that in a board faction so full of forbes 500 CEOs, board members, medical professionals, psychologists, high end government consultants, military experts, the fastest man in the world and junior vice presidents that there is so very little insight available.

Yeah but have any of them had a Chinese student fall asleep in their class

 

[fabs33]

Just to play devils advocate here, you are accepting that several several players at least did like it. Well OK that means that it wasn't some wacky concept that the whole playing group thought was a stupid idea.
So some apparently didn't like it. Really? A work place where not all the employees bought in to something the managers tried. Imagine that.
Doesn't change the issue, who do you actually believe is unhappy and why do you believe the media over your own players?

For future reference, playing the role of the devil's advocate is about arguing against what you believe in. The whole point is to strengthen your views by holding them up to scrutiny.

 

[feenix67]

Show me who their facilitators are. Do you know? I’ve been saying for weeks that this type of training happens in corporate Australia all the time and they often (mostly) are not facilitated by psychologists. I’ve run them, I’ve attended them. I’m telling you, it’s common practice.

It has been posted previously (at least 3 examples). I think the point you are missing is the very wide gap between someone who has a background and some academic insight into the field, and a web developer who decided, after dropping some acid at burning man, that hey, there's an opportunity in this niche, why don't I start up a "mind training" company and get me some of that corporate dollar.

Not many are suggesting there's no value in doing these things. Most are questioning the person we chose to do it. You're not adding anything by parroting things we already know. Many of us have worked in "corporate australia" ya know...

 

[jenny61_99]

Serious question -

If you were managing a team in corporate Australia that had been through a recent and significant shared trauma and grieving process that was played out in the public sphere, would you choose to embark on a resilience-focused mind training program that was not created or underpinned by qualified psychologists?

When Phil was murdered, our Club ensured there were professionals in place to help the players deal with their grief. This training camp was not that and I don’t know why you would suspect it was or needed to be.

 

[jenny61_99]

stretching?

Icing?

 

[Coopers]

Why did we get rid of them?

Because it didn't meet it's goals. Jesus man, there's literally 80 pages on this.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

love it

 

[Coopers]

It has been posted previously (at least 3 examples). I think the point you are missing is the very wide gap between someone who has a background and some academic insight into the field, and a web developer who decided, after dropping some acid at burning man, that hey, there's an opportunity in this niche, why don't I start up a "mind training" company and get me some of that corporate dollar.

Not many are suggesting there's no value in doing these things. Most are questioning the person we chose to do it. You're not adding anything by parroting things we already know. Many of us have worked in "corporate australia" ya know...

I presume you've got a job, or had one right? Hiring unqualified idiots is exactly the kind of random thing just about every work place I've ever been part of would do.

I'm not sure why we all think the crows would somehow be at a higher standard.

 

[rjslcM]

Mate ready for bed but just want to clear a few things here. Don't work for the club at all, I have certainly thought about it but no I don't. I have a couple of the board members that I do work for, and one that I have been trying to convince to work for me, but no I am just what I said, a supporter who knows enough about the environment to know that the guys that work for us are bloody good at what they do..

Please don't get me started on the Tippett thing because we did absolutely nothing wrong there and it still shits me. That's AFL caving to the media at its finest..

And lastly, please mate would you listen to the players rather than the media when you make these assumptions.
You have heard at least 6 players say they enjoyed the camp and only heard media saying that players didn't
Why do you believe that?
If this was a court of law, what decision do you really think a judge would have reached.

Surely I'm not the only one who read Hodgy's messages with Burton's voice.

2 cents while I'm here: you have a list that could win a premiership. These are pretty damn hard to put together. I think most of the frustration lies in the fact that the footy department aren't capitalising on that, for whatever reason. That is not the media's fault. All the best. Hope you send a strong message out in the second half of the season.

 

[Sanders]

Surely I'm not the only one who read Hodgy's messages with Burton's voice.

Oh c’mon Burton can at least string a sentence together

Hodgy was just a drunk old fool the other night

 

[Mike Smyth]

Because it didn't meet it's goals. Jesus man, there's literally 80 pages on this.

This thread and issue does feel like it's in a never ending, pointless loop now.

 

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He does have a point. You would think a guy like Lever would join in the media frenzy rather than give the program the thumbs up as he has done. The pre-season camp and the power ranger stance weren't great ideas but the media frenzy over this is at hysterical levels and we are helping to feed it.

Is this really our main issue or should it be the injury list and the mismanagement by Burton of our playing list. Are we using this just to vent our frustrations.

Burton must go at the end of the year but the agenda's in the media over the CM program can no longer be ignored.

BTW I think Phil Walsh's wife should be ashamed of herself.

This the bolded part is what should at the forefront. But I would prefer he goes after a full independent review, just to make sure we cover all bases. as the information to members and supporter needs some work as well but that secondary to fixing the playing list health.

And I don't like witch hunts, even if I believe more and more one person need to be move (one plus), Old age principle I guess.

 

[Scrogdogg]

Somebody mentioned we are being ridiculed by the media. Seems to be so. Probably the usual Victorian kick the Crows mentality but Let me post something from Ladbrokes (?)site for round 15 -
,,'collective mindless Crows'. 'Season has been a nightmare, plagued by the Grand Final capitulation, the pre-season camp from hell and.....dumping theCM program that has plagued the cub this season'

None of the other AFL Clubs has anything remotely disparaging written about them. Is it just kick the Crows or is it truly how ridiculous we are now seen?

 

[dude316]

None of the other AFL Clubs has anything remotely disparaging written about them. Is it just kick the Crows or is it truly how ridiculous we are now seen?

It’s probably more to do with how ridiculous we now are.

 

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Pretty easy to work out actually


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Bendigo?

 

[Elite Crow]

Don said (let slip?) on Triple M this morning that the hamstring issue actually was a result of something that was *removed* from this year's strength / conditioning program, compared to previous years.

Apparently the review means it's now back. Whatever 'it' is...

Commonsense? Caution? Sensible training?

 

[arrowman]

Commonsense? Caution? Sensible training?

Bikes. They brought back the bikes.

 

[Mike Smyth]

It’s probably more to do with how ridiculous we now are.

Thankfully while the media and punters are focussed so intensely on the Crows they are not talking about how uneven and pro-Vic this competition is. They aren't focussing on Richmond's away form and how it reflects just how much this Melbourne club was gifted a premiership at the expense of 3 Non Melbourne based clubs - Afc, gfc and gws.