Crows Rookie Selections discussion thread

[macca23]

On one hand I can't help but agree with you, and in a way it should inspire the players that are on the list with confidence that they're not there just because they were the best of a bad bunch.


On the other hand, the salary for a rookie is a pretty cheap investment for a player that could turn out to be good. Was it is, like $70k/year or something? They'd spend that on some fancy training machine or something, why not on a player?


Still, it seems clear they went in with that strategy and one thing you have to love about Rendell is that he has his strategy in mind and he sticks to it like clockwork

It makes common sense not to take a 3rd draft pick if you genuinely can't think of any other young player who might make it at AFL level.

However, to some degree, the Crows have gone 2 speculative picks anyway.

The first one is a player who by Rendell's admission has been out of the game for 4 years and the second is a delisted player from another AFL club.

While I'm happy with both of those picks (I was a huge Chris Schmidt fan at the end of 2006 and was hoping we'd draft him) surely there must have been a speculative pick somewhere in Australia worth having a punt on for a 3rd pick.

Maybe a raw tall who'll need time or a more mature aged crumbing forward in one of the 3 Southern State Leagues.

It just surprises me that there isn't anybody worth a gamble even.

Still, if one of the two we have taken gets up, it's been a good draft.

 

[Ozzie]

I was at first wondering why, I even posted maybe the salary cap but MR had his list. On reflection, maybe he is correct, we have 5 rookies rather the usual 4 and the strike rate is usually quite poor.

Yes i know we have done well in the past but why clog the place up with too many rookies? As for the mature age blokes most have been prodded and poked enough times by now for MR to leave them dwell under their rocks.

Our list is fairly well balanced IMO.

 

[jenny61_99]

Why is it do you think that we didn't go for the three juniors: Tippett, Van Berlo and Bock?? (clearly I haven't seen any of them, but could it be that if the older boys had their baby brothers at the Club they'd be in no hurry to leave?)

 

[cmndstab]

http://bigpondvideo.com/AFLTV/96269 - the press-conference that earlier article is based on.


Interesting story about how they heard of Henderson from a tip-off!

 

[WALL-e]

Why is it do you think that we didn't go for the three juniors: Tippett, Van Berlo and Bock?? (clearly I haven't seen any of them, but could it be that if the older boys had their baby brothers at the Club they'd be in no hurry to leave?)

Tippett was taken prior to our pick as a Brisbane zonal pick. He was always going to be selected at that pick regardless.

As for the others....maybe their crap?

 

[cmndstab]

Another article on AFC.com.au:

http://afc.com.au/tabid/4417/Default.aspx?newsid=70915

 

[KUNG FU]

Would have liked have had Martin on board, he was a brick in the champs at 99kg and another Bock couldn't hurt haha. Anyway, no point having any players you don't rate. I think this just illustrates that a strong draft doesn't always mean a deep draft.

 

[Drummond]

It makes common sense not to take a 3rd draft pick if you genuinely can't think of any other young player who might make it at AFL level.

However, to some degree, the Crows have gone 2 speculative picks anyway.

The first one is a player who by Rendell's admission has been out of the game for 4 years and the second is a delisted player from another AFL club.

While I'm happy with both of those picks (I was a huge Chris Schmidt fan at the end of 2006 and was hoping we'd draft him) surely there must have been a speculative pick somewhere in Australia worth having a punt on for a 3rd pick.

Maybe a raw tall who'll need time or a more mature aged crumbing forward in one of the 3 Southern State Leagues.

It just surprises me that there isn't anybody worth a gamble even.

Still, if one of the two we have taken gets up, it's been a good draft.

I'm staggered. We had a place on the list and we have the cash.

You're honestly telling me there wasn't ONE player in the entire country worth taking with our final pick, not a single player who has enough talent to at least get us interested? I find that extremely hard to believe. As I said, if everyone past Pick 41 turns out to be a dud then fair enough but if there are any good players to come from this point onwards it doesn't reflect too well on our decision.

 

[twentydollarnote]

Considering none of these players usually make it, then it probably doesnt matter, but cant help but think if we didnt have Ricky as the only player out at training we could of taken him a bit later and picked up another player earlier.

 

[cmndstab]

Rendell was just on 5AA, talked a fair bit without saying too much of interest. Did say that he thinks next year's draft will be very shallow and nothing much past the third round of the national draft will be worth recruiting, and no decent talls will survive the first round. Indicated there would be a lot of trades in 2009 and rookie upgrades taking the place of late-round draft picks. Singled out Otten and Hentschel for players looking impressive so far this year in preseason and said Walker should get given a go at the start of the year and his performances will dictate whether he keeps his spot. Not sure whether being given a go at the start of the year means in the NAB Cup or round 1. Says Henderson is a high-risk proposition but with big upside, said Schmidt is a much safer pick.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Rendell was just on 5AA, talked a fair bit without saying too much of interest. Did say that he thinks next year's draft will be very shallow and nothing much past the third round of the national draft will be worth recruiting, and no decent talls will survive the first round. Indicated there would be a lot of trades in 2009 and rookie upgrades taking the place of late-round draft picks. Singled out Otten and Hentschel for players looking impressive so far this year in preseason and said Walker should get given a go at the start of the year and his performances will dictate whether he keeps his spot. Not sure whether being given a go at the start of the year means in the NAB Cup or round 1. Says Henderson is a high-risk proposition but with big upside, said Schmidt is a much safer pick.

Which is what I've been saying for quite a while in reference to why Moss in particular wasn't upgraded.

 

[PrideOf]

The club aren't in the business of selecting (and paying) players if they're not interested in drafting them. Just because a list vacancy exists does not mean it needs to be filled. They're not a charity.

If the club didn't rate any other players in the draft, then that's a good enough reason for me.

Amen brother. There's a big difference between recruiting for a real club and recruiting on BigFooty, which some posters treat like they're collecting player cards.

Having said that, seeing as Rendell was just on AA saying that next year's draft will be pretty thin and that upgrading rookies will be the order of the day they'd have to be very, very sure that they didn't leave someone with talent on the table.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Which is what I've been saying for quite a while in reference to why Moss in particular wasn't upgraded.

why upgrade him now when there was so much quality to pick from at this years draft? Surely we are better off upgrading him at the end of next year when there isnt the talent to fill a list.

 

[Untouchables]

Ricky Rubio!

I mean Henderson....

I loveeeee Ricky Rubio. He is a superstar.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

why upgrade him now when there was so much quality to pick from at this years draft? Surely we are better off upgrading him at the end of next year when there isnt the talent to fill a list.

Exactly my point.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Exactly my point.

Sorry mate, didnt read your original post correctly, thought you were wondering why we didnt upgrade him.

 

[WALL-e]

I loveeeee Ricky Rubio. He is a superstar.

For sure, supreme baller

 

[Truck Rutten]

Considering none of these players usually make it, then it probably doesnt matter, but cant help but think if we didnt have Ricky as the only player out at training we could of taken him a bit later and picked up another player earlier.

What? You might want to look up the sizeable list of quality players who began their careers on rookie lists.

Considering that nobody including recruiters really know how any of these kids are going to turn out wouldn't it make sense to cast the net as far and as wide as we can. I mean, what possible harm could it do?

I'm with Drummond on this and cannot believe that there was not one solitary rookie draft worthy player available after our 3rd pick. Clearly the recruiting teams of the clubs that selected post our pass at 41 are a bunch of muppets.

 

[Redline]

I'm staggered. We had a place on the list and we have the cash.

You're honestly telling me there wasn't ONE player in the entire country worth taking with our final pick, not a single player who has enough talent to at least get us interested? I find that extremely hard to believe. As I said, if everyone past Pick 41 turns out to be a dud then fair enough but if there are any good players to come from this point onwards it doesn't reflect too well on our decision.

I have to agree, poor decision in my view but I guess time will tell.

 

[Porps_is_HOT_loz]

Rendell was just on 5AA, talked a fair bit without saying too much of interest. Did say that he thinks next year's draft will be very shallow and nothing much past the third round of the national draft will be worth recruiting, and no decent talls will survive the first round. Indicated there would be a lot of trades in 2009 and rookie upgrades taking the place of late-round draft picks. Singled out Otten and Hentschel for players looking impressive so far this year in preseason and said Walker should get given a go at the start of the year and his performances will dictate whether he keeps his spot. Not sure whether being given a go at the start of the year means in the NAB Cup or round 1. Says Henderson is a high-risk proposition but with big upside, said Schmidt is a much safer pick.

Very, very interesting, thanks for this info.
Great to hear thats Trents doing well and Otten may find his way into the side round 1?

 

[betterthanu]

An extra player who we dont rate isnt worth drafting and diluting the attention on the development of rookies imo

 

[hendo8888]

Reading Rendell's comments today about only bring 5 names into the draft and hoping we get 1 or 2, i can't help but wonder what would have happened in the national draft if all of our list of 27 were taken before our last pick or even our second last pick.
Would we have had a back-up pick in that case or would we just have passed and hoped we found someone for the PSD?

 

[cmndstab]

On that note, Rendell said we had three of our top five disappear in the first four picks.

I wonder which of Jordie McKenzie, Liam Bedford, Casey Sibosado and Wade Thompson we didn't want? Safe bet to say we were interested in Sibosado and Thompson, my money would be on McKenzie as the other we had in our top 5.

 

[Crow-mo]

Appreciate it Kristof

He's grooming you, suggest you contact the police.

 

[Crow-mo]

once again, we've backed ourselves to be smarter than the rest of the league.

we didn't like anyone at all, yet there were many more players taken.

Jesus I hope we are smarter than everyone else, and that we are right - 'cause its going to be mighty hard to defend if we're not.