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AFLW 2024 - Round 10 - Chat, game threads, injury lists, team lineups and more.
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dal_santo_no.1
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- Sep 30, 2003
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Just attended the later game on Saturday at the Playing Fields. Did not witness anything untoward, just a few scuffles but they are fairly common place these days. Is it possible that the supposed "king hit" took place in the reserves game?
Half Back Pocket
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anyone got a link?
dal_santo_no.1
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Any information on who the offending player was? It seems an interesting tactic to go to the Herald Sun with the story. There is no information in the tribunal section of the VAFA either, however it seems like they had a busy Monday night.
Cardio Carl
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I think TBP or Scribe explained that umpire reports are heard following week and any investigations are held 11 days after the event i.e. next Tuesday so they can be...uummmm.. investigated, i suppose.
I doubt Sholley. OM's etc would like the situation reported in the Hun today, as the media will be all over it next week. As long as it does not prejudice the proceedings (for all parties) which they seem to have spot on at the moment.
Also pleasing to see the umpire not wavering from their opinion that they did not see the incident as they did not see it - very easy to change when seeing the aftermath etc I suppose
dal_santo_no.1
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Just managed to get a copy of the article. Did a bit of research and turns out the player who was hit played reserves for Souths on Saturday. Being interesting to see what the outcome of the investigation is..
table tennis
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Player may have asked for cops to be called. Seems that way from the article...
will_i_am2010
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- Feb 4, 2010
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according to the article it was not a king hit
im led to believe in the reserves game there was a bit of push and shove, a few punches thrown and one connected.
quote from the article: 'he's run straight at me and hit me with a clenched fist.' king hit is either a hit from very close proximty where the victim has no time to react, so running with a clenched fist would rule that out. or it is from behind, which is also ruled out. semantics over the definition tho as the bloke has obviously got some terrible injuries and we at willy wish him a speedy recovery.
dont think you can say different kettle of fish as if what SMD have done was the norm and expected. even if it was a king hit, this is very out of the ordinary to call the cops. cant recall any incident when its happened in the past. i know that there were murmorings about it when barry hall hit staker but that never eventuated. will open up a pandora's box if suddenly people were held civilly responsible for their actions on the field
anyway, tips for this week:
gonna predict a few upsets (partly because im lazy and it worked last week) so home teams again!
chargers 09
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Any idea who the player was? I know a few of the Mentone boys.
BarryDawson
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The most ridiculous thing I have ever read on Big Footy, even by my standards. Imagine, people being responsible for their own actions.
Will my friend, stop stealing our oxygen you clown!
YourCall
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It's not the first time SMD have been embroiled in controversy, and i doubt it would be the last.
Maybe it is a case of karma by the footy gods, for past SMD players / supporters who have done the same thing over the years?
I agree what has happened to this player is not good. But surely SMD personnel would be able to go over their past investigation records and see how they have handled their own people doing it.
Maybe the VAFA investigation would see it this way as well.
Maybe it is a case of karma by the footy gods, for past SMD players / supporters who have done the same thing over the years?
I agree what has happened to this player is not good. But surely SMD personnel would be able to go over their past investigation records and see how they have handled their own people doing it.
Maybe the VAFA investigation would see it this way as well.
Go easy. Most of what he said was spot on until that last line.
It's not the first time SMD have been embroiled in controversy, and i doubt it would be the last.
Maybe it is a case of karma by the footy gods, for past SMD players / supporters who have done the same thing over the years?
I agree what has happened to this player is not good. But surely SMD personnel would be able to go over their past investigation records and see how they have handled their own people doing it.
Maybe the VAFA investigation would see it this way as well.
The club can't be held accountable for the individual. If he has sought legal action of his own accord, why then is the club at fault?
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I dont think that he should be ridiculed for contacting the police either. An act of thuggery has put him out of pocket and out of work, and the Thug who acted out of accordance to common law, is responsible and should be held accountable for his actions.
A few of you would be barking a different tune, if it happened to you, and you lost the crust that you work for through an injury caused by someone being a thug.
For the good of the competition, I hope the Competition and the police throw the book at him, And if he is any sort of a man, he will accecpt any punishment.
A few of you would be barking a different tune, if it happened to you, and you lost the crust that you work for through an injury caused by someone being a thug.
For the good of the competition, I hope the Competition and the police throw the book at him, And if he is any sort of a man, he will accecpt any punishment.
Cardio Carl
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As an aside, does anyone have information on the Insurance cover for the VAFA clubs/players in terms of:
> if they get legitimately injured they are covered, but if they were hurt in an act of violence, are they covered?
> if the victim takes the matter to courts, will they be still covered?
> if the matter proceeds to court, could the victim/defendant claim on insurance to cover their legal costs?
> if they get legitimately injured they are covered, but if they were hurt in an act of violence, are they covered?
> if the victim takes the matter to courts, will they be still covered?
> if the matter proceeds to court, could the victim/defendant claim on insurance to cover their legal costs?
Half Back Pocket
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nice first post!
will_i_am2010
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seems a bit harsh and a big call considering kreuzing is on bigfooty!
obviously a good point re people being held responsible for their own actions and when you put it like that of course it makes me seem stupid. but thats not what i meant. i was just trying to say that as far as i can recall it has never happened before and will certainly happen again in the future if this player is successful (which he should be). dont mistake what i wrote as tantamount to me saying that the SMD player should not be doing what he is doing. if it was me id be pretty narky about it too and want not only compensation but the other bloke to get whats coming to him aswell.
Deesgusting
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hang on.. did anyone (other than the player filing the report) actually see what happened? Not suggesting he is making it up or anything, but does anyone know the circumstances or were witness to any of it?
myusername
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From what I have heard, what was said in the article from the SMD player wasn't exactly what happened.
Of course everyone has the right to use the due process of law if they are a victim.
However, while not necessarily opening up a Pandora's box, going directly to the police does undermine the authority of the amateur tribunal and all sport's tribunals.
If this was done consistently, the government would be forced to legislate heavily against any sort of assault on a sporting field (bumps/tackles???) in order to free up the courts from dealing with such matters!
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Originally Posted by TheWamba
Of course everyone has the right to use the due process of law if they are a victim.
However, while not necessarily opening up a Pandora's box, going directly to the police does undermine the authority of the amateur tribunal and all sport's tribunals.
If this was done consistently, the government would be forced to legislate heavily against any sort of assault on a sporting field (bumps/tackles???) in order to free up the courts from dealing with such matters!
They already do, why do you think insurances have risen heaps over the years.
Fair point TT but I think it'd have greater ramifications than insurance premiums which are by and large set by private companies I believe although I could stand to be corrected on that.
The logical extension if it kept happening would be jail sentences for offenders and outlawing physical contact in the game (although I don't think it'll ever come to that, it is the road you're headed down when you head to the courst).
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I know of instances that have ended up either in court or settled out of court......
This would not be a trailblazing case that is for sure.
There was the umpire that was punched last year by a Rockbank footballer, There was the Jason Love case in the Cairns league, where he was unable to coach Port Colts seniors this year after being appointed, because of AFL ramifications.
I dont think we would be talking jail time, unless it was someone who had a long wrap sheet. A bump or tackle can be with the intention to disrupt oppositions ball movement, a punch can only be the intention of hurting someone.
If the story in the paper has no mayo on it, the OM's footballer should be having sleepless nights, as the Nanny state, which we live, and all the hysteria about violence in Melbourne over the last 12-24 months, everyone will have to be seen to be doing something. We are no longer living in the 80's. (sometimes unfortunatly)
Originally Posted by TheWamba
Fair point TT but I think it'd have greater ramifications than insurance premiums which are by and large set by private companies I believe although I could stand to be corrected on that.
The logical extension if it kept happening would be jail sentences for offenders and outlawing physical contact in the game (although I don't think it'll ever come to that, it is the road you're headed down when you head to the courst).
I know of instances that have ended up either in court or settled out of court......
This would not be a trailblazing case that is for sure.
There was the umpire that was punched last year by a Rockbank footballer, There was the Jason Love case in the Cairns league, where he was unable to coach Port Colts seniors this year after being appointed, because of AFL ramifications.
I dont think we would be talking jail time, unless it was someone who had a long wrap sheet. A bump or tackle can be with the intention to disrupt oppositions ball movement, a punch can only be the intention of hurting someone.
If the story in the paper has no mayo on it, the OM's footballer should be having sleepless nights, as the Nanny state, which we live, and all the hysteria about violence in Melbourne over the last 12-24 months, everyone will have to be seen to be doing something. We are no longer living in the 80's. (sometimes unfortunatly)
Not too much to disagree with there TT
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