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EskimoPAFC said:
RogerJames Takes a Stand Against Fake News on BigFooty Forum

By The Advertiser Staff, December 2024

RogerJames, a prominent member of the BigFooty forum, has become a vocal advocate against the spread of fake news. Known for his deep involvement in Australian rules football discussions, RogerJames is now focusing on encouraging fellow users to think critically before posting and sharing information, especially when it comes to unverified or sensationalized content.

In recent posts, RogerJames has stressed the importance of fact-checking and responsible sharing, stating that fake news can mislead others and create unnecessary conflict. "It’s easy to get caught up in the moment, but if we’re going to maintain the credibility of forums like BigFooty, we need to make sure we’re not spreading false narratives," he explained.

His calls for a more careful approach to posting have resonated with many forum members, with several users citing him as an inspiration for their own efforts to verify information before sharing. BigFooty’s moderators have also supported this stance by removing posts that violate the forum’s guidelines on misinformation.

RogerJames believes that the responsibility of ensuring accurate information doesn't solely lie with the moderators but with the entire community. "We all need to take a step back and check our facts before hitting post," he added, encouraging users to flag misleading content and hold each other accountable.

As the conversation about fake news continues to grow on BigFooty, RogerJames’ influence is clear. His commitment to maintaining the integrity of the forum is helping shape a more informed and responsible community, reminding everyone that truth should always come first in online discussions.
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More fake news!

It's her* deep involvement in Australian rules football discussions.
 
El_Scorcho said:
You're right, I just disagree with them I guess.

If trading Houston away was crucial to getting Lukosius I think I could understand more, but i'm certain we didn't need Houston for that trade and we'd have still got it done if we kept them separate.

When we've got academy picks, the ability to trade future picks all going on in the current draft and trade system, I think every little bit of draft capital counts.

When Chris Davies says we're lacking the talent to compete at some point as he did mid-year this year, remember the Houston trade, remember the Wingard trade, remember we gave up a first in this megadraft for Soldo and Ratugolea. Remember that every tall player who can even see the top of the depth chart apart from Georgiades, Marshall and Visentini were traded in at great cost, and we've received very little in return for our wantaway talls because we don't develop any.
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Surely you don't actually believe CD when he says such garbage?

You don't finish top 4 in the regular season 4 of the last 5 years with 3 prelim final appearances to show for it if the list isn't good enough.

The irony is he said such comments mid season this year when Port were struggling - then they went on a run and no one thought the list was a problem. Then they're found out again in finals and the list was a problem again.

The list is merely a talking point to deflect from Ken's shortcomings as a coach, nothing more.
 
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Chewy316 said:
Surely you don't actually believe CD when he says such garbage?

You don't finish top 4 in the regular season 3 of the last 4 years with 3 prelim final appearances to show for it if the list isn't good enough.

The irony is he said such comments mid season this year when Port were struggling - then they went on a run and no one thought the list was a problem. Then they're found out again in finals and the list was a problem again.

The list is merely a talking point to deflect from Ken's shortcomings as a coach, nothing more.
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Absolutely.

If the long term footy boss says list isn't good enough, there should be some scrutiny on the footy boss and list manager, but there never is because of the disgusting state of footy media in this country.

We made what the entire footy industry has agreed was a horrendous trade, with the club in the turgid state it's been in for a decade, and there's just nothing. No real pressure at all.
 
El_Scorcho said:
Absolutely.

If the long term footy boss says list isn't good enough, there should be some scrutiny on the footy boss and list manager, but there never is because of the disgusting state of footy media in this country.

We made what the entire footy industry has agreed was a horrendous trade, with the club in the turgid state it's been in for a decade, and there's just nothing. No real pressure at all.
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I don't think the trade itself has been as horrendous as the way it has been described by some as nauseum on this forum in particular. I do think they should have gotten a bit more. My bigger gripe was trading a future 1 for Lukosius, even if the compromised draft of 2025 means that future 1 isn't worth much.

I would add if you kept Houston and revisited this in 12 months time, the return is most likely a single first round draft pick in an extremely compromised draft, potentially a pick in the 20s once you account for academy and F/S selections.

I think the two biggest factors that led to the trade going through on Port's end was the quality of the 2024 draft class, and the position Houston plays (ie the easiest plug and play position on the field in the modern game).

The trade itself was also a clear indicator that they're looking to the future (2026 and onwards) rather than the now. Which, in and of itself, is fine, but it is incongruent with the club's decision to keep Ken for 2025.
 
Chewy316 said:
I don't think the trade itself has been as horrendous as the way it has been described by some as nauseum on this forum in particular. I do think they should have gotten a bit more. My bigger gripe was trading a future 1 for Lukosius, even if the compromised draft of 2025 means that future 1 isn't worth much.

I would add if you kept Houston and revisited this in 12 months time, the return is most likely a single first round draft pick in an extremely compromised draft, potentially a pick in the 20s once you account for academy and F/S selections.

I think the two biggest factors that led to the trade going through on Port's end was the quality of the 2024 draft class, and the position Houston plays (ie the easiest plug and play position on the field in the modern game).

The trade itself was also a clear indicator that they're looking to the future (2026 and onwards) rather than the now. Which, in and of itself, is fine, but it is incongruent with the club's decision to keep Ken for 2025.
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Agree that we seem to have overpaid for Luko. Weirdly i'd probably have been more content if we just gave an F1 for Luko without the surrounding deal, because I get it, we don't develop forwards and have to overpay for them.

As it stands it looks like we've effectively traded Houston and a F1 for pick 13, Luko and Richards, which is really bad.

Going back to holding people accountable, if the 2024 megadraft was so important, it's pretty bullshit that we turned our natural pick in it into 2 guys who aren't best 22 at the moment. But again, the footy media in this country absolutely sucks and the club aren't copping any scrutiny for that at all.
 
EskimoPAFC said:
RogerJames Takes a Stand Against Fake News on BigFooty Forum

By The Advertiser Staff, December 2024

RogerJames, a prominent member of the BigFooty forum, has become a vocal advocate against the spread of fake news. Known for his deep involvement in Australian rules football discussions, RogerJames is now focusing on encouraging fellow users to think critically before posting and sharing information, especially when it comes to unverified or sensationalized content.

In recent posts, RogerJames has stressed the importance of fact-checking and responsible sharing, stating that fake news can mislead others and create unnecessary conflict. "It’s easy to get caught up in the moment, but if we’re going to maintain the credibility of forums like BigFooty, we need to make sure we’re not spreading false narratives," he explained.

His calls for a more careful approach to posting have resonated with many forum members, with several users citing him as an inspiration for their own efforts to verify information before sharing. BigFooty’s moderators have also supported this stance by removing posts that violate the forum’s guidelines on misinformation.

RogerJames believes that the responsibility of ensuring accurate information doesn't solely lie with the moderators but with the entire community. "We all need to take a step back and check our facts before hitting post," he added, encouraging users to flag misleading content and hold each other accountable.

As the conversation about fake news continues to grow on BigFooty, RogerJames’ influence is clear. His commitment to maintaining the integrity of the forum is helping shape a more informed and responsible community, reminding everyone that truth should always come first in online discussions.
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RogerJames = Smithy confirmed
 
El_Scorcho said:
Agree that we seem to have overpaid for Luko. Weirdly i'd probably have been more content if we just gave an F1 for Luko without the surrounding deal, because I get it, we don't develop forwards and have to overpay for them.

As it stands it looks like we've effectively traded Houston and a F1 for pick 13, Luko and Richards, which is really bad.

Going back to holding people accountable, if the 2024 megadraft was so important, it's pretty bullshit that we turned our natural pick in it into 2 guys who aren't best 22 at the moment. But again, the footy media in this country absolutely sucks and the club aren't copping any scrutiny for that at all.
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Tibbs said:
You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself. Your point is 100% true, but, is diametrically apposed to your argument. Because Houston had a big say in the final decision, the options became even fewer. Get North out of your brain, Houston was never choosing them! However if others had of entered the fray - Carlton, Geelong, Essendon, even St Kilda, we would have had competition, & much better options.

Fact is, no one else was interested! Now if that was Rozee, Butters, or Bergman wanting to go to a Melbourne club, are you telling me we would have had only ONE CLUB come to the negotiating table! :drunk:

Posters here were delusional all along .... And still are!
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So if the deal wasn't good enough why did we trade him? Dan still had a couple of years left on a contract and we could have waited until next year. Maybe the thinking was that this year's draft was a deep one so we just had to get in at any cost? If Berry, Lukosius and Co come off it will probably have been worth it but we won't know for a couple of years.

In any case I cannot get really enthusiastic about our playing list as I do not think we have the off field personnel to get the best out of it regardless as to who we recruit. Hopefully that will change at the end of 2025.
 
240volt said:
Difference is now days they’re all mates.
It’s all very friendly, don’t think there was much matie stuff in the old days between Port and teams like Glenelg and Norwood.
As long as the money goes in the bank everything is sweet in today’s game.
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Giles v Rainbird at the Colac and Carr v Riccuito at the Ramsgate.

Timmy Evans did not like Craig Balme either. Timmy was put out when Balme was appointed a ruck coach at Port in our early AFL days.
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EskimoPAFC said:
RogerJames Takes a Stand Against Fake News on BigFooty Forum

By The Advertiser Staff, December 2024

RogerJames, a prominent member of the BigFooty forum, has become a vocal advocate against the spread of fake news. Known for his deep involvement in Australian rules football discussions, RogerJames is now focusing on encouraging fellow users to think critically before posting and sharing information, especially when it comes to unverified or sensationalized content.

In recent posts, RogerJames has stressed the importance of fact-checking and responsible sharing, stating that fake news can mislead others and create unnecessary conflict. "It’s easy to get caught up in the moment, but if we’re going to maintain the credibility of forums like BigFooty, we need to make sure we’re not spreading false narratives," he explained.

His calls for a more careful approach to posting have resonated with many forum members, with several users citing him as an inspiration for their own efforts to verify information before sharing. BigFooty’s moderators have also supported this stance by removing posts that violate the forum’s guidelines on misinformation.

RogerJames believes that the responsibility of ensuring accurate information doesn't solely lie with the moderators but with the entire community. "We all need to take a step back and check our facts before hitting post," he added, encouraging users to flag misleading content and hold each other accountable.

As the conversation about fake news continues to grow on BigFooty, RogerJames’ influence is clear. His commitment to maintaining the integrity of the forum is helping shape a more informed and responsible community, reminding everyone that truth should always come first in online discussions.
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The 2025 draft is weak/compromised we were better off trading him now argument is very weak imo

Next year Collingwood would've 2025,2026 and 2027 first rounders available. The club spends resources on watching these kids from 16 yo's. The list of players that weren't traded when they wanted then were traded for less the next year is shorter than the list of players that were traded for the same if not more
 
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raptalia said:
So if the deal wasn't good enough why did we trade him? Dan still had a couple of years left on a contract and we could have waited until next year. Maybe the thinking was that this year's draft was a deep one so we just had to get in at any cost? If Berry, Lukosius and Co come off it will probably have been worth it but we won't know for a couple of years.

In any case I cannot get really enthusiastic about our playing list as I do not think we have the off field personnel to get the best out of it regardless as to who we recruit. Hopefully that will change at the end of 2025.
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I think you go on to answer your own question.

Why force him to stay & keep him? I mean, we have a consensus here that we aint winning anything under Hinkley! Half the posters here have either walked away from the club, or havent renewed membership.

Letting him go, and bringing in a bunch of fresh draft picks in a good draft is looking to the future, and not to the "now" under Hinkley.

I am all for it.
 
Re-watching the semi final against hawthorn a couple nights ago and seeing the likes of Bergman, Burgoyne, Evans, Jones & Sinn all perform really strongly in the backlines with no Houston, Farrell or Burton makes me confident we will be okay without Dan.


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