All depends on what club they want.
If it’s a club with bugger all to offer it’s better for us if Butters is out of contract.
Will get two first round compo picks.
I’d hate to think what Port will bend over for.
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If it’s a club with bugger all to offer it’s better for us if Butters is out of contract.
Will get two first round compo picks.
I’d hate to think what Port will bend over for.
I think Bergman is a Saints fan and Butters is a Bulldogs fan so I'm a bit more confident in getting equal value back, kinda.
There is no substance to that other than pure bf bs. From what I know Butters in particular is fully invested in the club.
Hence the word 'possibly'.
Watch the mayhem unfold if one of those two come out with Collingwood, Hawthorn or Geelong please.
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Good point. Well made!
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Im talking about this years draft, so you’d be happy to give up picks 13 & 14 for Dan ?
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By this thinking every team has professionals doing the drafting therefore they have done equally well.
That just leaves us with our weak trading.
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Err ... yeah, exactly. That's my whole point.
Our drafting could well turn out to be a massive failure. Proclaiming that we've somehow rescued the Houston trade because we recruited some guys who were rated higher on Fox Footy's draft board than on the actual recruiter's draft board is absurd.
17 other teams do that too and those other professionals rated 32 players higher than Whitlock and 37 players higher than Moraes. We haven't achieved anything yet.
When I've had a look at the media giving grades, it is close to unanimous that we got an A grade or thereabouts.
I know its the media but still pretty good.
There is a very big difference between trading Houston for the No 1 pick vs trading him for No 13 pick and filler picks.
Berry and Whitlock could turn out to be the number one and two greatest AFL players ever but that makes the draft great not the trade.
In what hemisphere was Houston worth a #1 pick?
This is the thing I am pissed off about .. I know yours is just an example - albeit a poor one, but Houston was ONLY worth what someone was willing to pay for him! That is the basics of any economy, even footy-player trading!
Hell man! Why the hell cant people get it? It doesnt matter what we think he was worth, the market just doesnt rate a good player in his position as highly as it does a KPP, or an elite midfielder.
We had only TWO options: 1] Take what was offered, or 2] Hold on to him.
Considering all the other metrics involved, in the end we made the right call.
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Couldn’t have said it better, ppl either don’t get it, or have a vendetta against all things Port.
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Pick 13 became pick 15 and we took Joe Berry.
Yes, Dan Houston is worth more than Joe Berry + any player picked after him in the draft.
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Completely wrong. Pure supply and demand doesn't apply here.
Trading isn't an open market, otherwise we'd have traded Houston to North. Or to a non-Victorian team. If we were trading him to the Gold Coast we might have got something close to the value of pick 1.
The ridiculous trade Gold Coast got for a similar player in Rioli probably made the trade look worse than what it really was in isolation. All the talk of getting 2 first rounders from the dees got everyone’s hopes up too, but unfortunately the player has to agree to a trade and he didn’t want to go to Melbourne.
The talk that north Melbourne were offering more was just that talk, it had no substance. In the end the Collingwood deal was our best and only option other than keeping him.
I think we had to do the deal though, not everyone agrees with that but I think once a player decides they don’t want to be here it’s better to just let them go and time will tell but looks like we did pretty well in the draft.
Plus the Nick Stevens defection for zero gain was poor, as was the Ben Jacobs defection for nothing. It’s better to get something rather than nothing at all. Did playing hard ball with those trades really gain us anything, even in the long run? I don’t think so. The fact we won the flag after Nick Stevens quitting was a nice coincidence, but I think we would’ve won the flag if he stayed or we did a trade too.
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The talk that north Melbourne were offering more was just that talk, it had no substance. In the end the Collingwood deal was our best and only option other than keeping him.
I think we had to do the deal though, not everyone agrees with that but I think once a player decides they don’t want to be here it’s better to just let them go and time will tell but looks like we did pretty well in the draft.
Plus the Nick Stevens defection for zero gain was poor, as was the Ben Jacobs defection for nothing. It’s better to get something rather than nothing at all. Did playing hard ball with those trades really gain us anything, even in the long run? I don’t think so. The fact we won the flag after Nick Stevens quitting was a nice coincidence, but I think we would’ve won the flag if he stayed or we did a trade too.
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I keep coming to this thread hoping to see this d1ckhead has pulled a hamstring or something
Similar player? remind me of Rioli's numbers and AA's it's laughable and pretty much Hardwick doing Richmond a solid. Ridiculous enough overs for the AFL to investigate if they had a backbone.
He’s a pretty good player. I thought he did get at least one AA but was just a nominee. Has been amongst Richmond’s top 4 or 5 players for a while, won their b n f this year. Hardly a spud. Both play across half back and similar age and I think overall ability it pretty close.
It’s a team honour I know but got 3 more flags than Houston. You tend to pay a tax on premiership players, we even did on a spud like Brent Renouf.
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You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself. Your point is 100% true, but, is diametrically apposed to your argument. Because Houston had a big say in the final decision, the options became even fewer. Get North out of your brain, Houston was never choosing them! However if others had of entered the fray - Carlton, Geelong, Essendon, even St Kilda, we would have had competition, & much better options.
Fact is, no one else was interested! Now if that was Rozee, Butters, or Bergman wanting to go to a Melbourne club, are you telling me we would have had only ONE CLUB come to the negotiating table!
Posters here were delusional all along .... And still are!
The issue here is that Houston nominated a single club BEFORE a deal was agreed to. And even worse chose a club that pretty much had no picks either and we had to rely on them screwing over Gold Coast for Noble to even get what we did.
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Remember too, that Houston could only choose a club that came to him with an offer! Melbourne did, then that imploded. A few made enquiries, but how many tabled a deal? ... In the end just ONE! Of course he was going to nominate them! However if there were three clubs chasing him, that creates "demand," and with that, the outcome would have been vastly different.
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