Dangerfield on Kelly

[gingernuts]

You know what us really distressing? It’s this

bingo!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

He had no choice but to bump. Tackling or smothering were not possible............because Kelly had already got rid of the bloody ball!!! SO there was no choice left but to attempt to kill him

 

[Shadow89]

You're sounding equally hysterical, I'm going to hazard a guess it's because a Geelong player is involved.
Obviously some posters baying for blood. Majority are discussing the facts at hand calmly.

Danger's perceived flogginess (which I personally agree with) is just the side hustle.

Errrr...did you read the rest of the post, or did you just pick the part that suited your argument?

FFS.

"I'm arguing this case on its merits, not on my 'feelings' towards Dangerfield. If he gets 3, 4, 5, 6 weeks, I honestly don't care one way or the other, as his actions dictated his own fate. This is why it's dangerous to just assume what people's positions are, because we're so geared to having an emotional response, that we can't possibly imagine someone defending someone that they don't even really like. You all just sound hysterical in here, and your feelings towards him as a person don't you make you right when evaluating the context of the incident."

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How is any of that 'hysterical', partisan, or unreasonable?

 

[DanWA]

Well if that's the case the bump has to be outlawed from the game to avoid any confusion. Simple, and will avoid 600 posts

The bump doesn't need to be outlawed

Players sniping other players with a bump need to be outlawed

 

[WestCoast05]

he was trying to iron the kid out his team was down and he wanted to make a statement , everything else us bunkum. Should be five raised to 6

Which is fine if you ask me. When you're team is getting flogged like that by all means make a statement to rally your team.
But he should have gotten low and made his statement - his feet left the air and now he's responsible for the aftermath.

The hit was late, but it wasn't thaaaaaat late - I reckon 3 weeks is about right. Those asking for more are asking too much imo.

 

[DanWA]

Paddy is basically accepting the situation and focusing on a downgrade

Unsure how they gets downgraded to High

 

[TheKITC]

David King wants his head on a pike and Dunstall won't shut up about it, lol. Trust me, there's varying points of discussion being had that are influencing the convo on both sides.

David King flipped his stance after being called out on Twitter, so there's that. Dunstall is nobodies bitch so it doesn't surprise me that he's speaking honestly. I can't confirm it, but it's been said that he turned down AFL media accreditation which would make a bit of sense.

I'm arguing this case on its merits, not on my 'feelings' towards Dangerfield. If he gets 3, 4, 5, 6 weeks, I honestly don't care one way or the other, as his actions dictated his own fate. This is why it's dangerous to just assume what people's positions are, because we're so geared to having an emotional response, that we can't possibly imagine someone defending someone that they don't even really like. You all just sound hysterical in here, and your feelings towards him as a person don't you make you right when evaluating the context of the incident.

Just because you're all circle-jerking each other because you hate Dangerfield as a player and a person, and I have 'very little support' - doesn't mean you're all right. It just means that you've formed your opinion, and you're unwilling to evaluate it without letting your personal opinion of him dictate the discussion.

But you're not arguing it on it's merits and you are partisan. You are out rightly lying about Dangerfield leaving the ground, I'm not just going to ignore that. It's embarrassing for you that you actually tried arguing that.

I strongly doubt anyone could accuse me of being hysterical, my posts are quite measured I think. You're actually the one throwing around insults and talking down to people in your responses to them. So who's really being hysterical? Not once have I ever mentioned my personal opinion of Dangerfield in context to him being suspended. I edited that part of your post out about yours because I don't care about what you think of him and it's not relevant.

Hilarious that you think it's me who is unwilling to evaluate the situation fairly based on my opinion of Patrick or the club you support, because that describes you far better than me and that's really obvious to all except you.

 

[box070]

Paddy is basically accepting the situation and focusing on a downgrade

Unsure how they gets downgraded to High

Gleeson has torn it apart. Hard to see anything less then 3-4 weeks

 

[BF Tiger]

His feet leave the ground because of the force of the hit - inertia. The more you keep calling him a 'flog' and 'a liar', the more you undermine your own argument - as you just look like a bunch of people baying for blood because you already hate him, lol.

His feet don't leave the ground because of the force of the hit. He launches himself at Kelly. It is plain as day.

 

[Shadow89]

David King flipped his stance after being called out on Twitter, so there's that. Dunstall is nobodies b*tch so it doesn't surprise me that he's speaking honestly. I can't confirm it, but it's been said that he turned down AFL media accreditation which would make a bit of sense.




But you're not arguing it on it's merits and you are partisan. You are out rightly lying about Dangerfield leaving the ground, I'm not just going to ignore that. It's embarrassing for you that you actually tried arguing that.

I strongly doubt anyone could accuse me of being hysterical, my posts are quite measured I think. You're actually the one throwing around insults and talking down to people in your responses to them. So who's really being hysterical? Not once have I ever mentioned my personal opinion of Dangerfield in context to him being suspended. I edited that part of your post out about yours because I don't care about what you think of him and it's not relevant.

Hilarious that you think it's me who is unwilling to evaluate the situation fairly based on my opinion of Patrick, because that describes you far better than me and that's really obvious to all except you.

So my opinion of Patrick doesn't matter, but then it does? I don't really like him, but I'm also partisan to him? Weird. How do I have a dog in this fight, if I don't care that he gets suspended? You're the one that brought into play people's support of me, and started playing the man, and you want to act like you're being reasonable?

Rightio. I'm leaving again before this devolves any further.

 

[DanWA]

So my opinion of Patrick doesn't matter, but then it does? I don't really like him, but I'm also partisan to him? Weird. How do I have a dog in this fight, if I don't care that he gets suspended? You're the one that brought into play people's support of me, and started playing the man, and you want to act like you're being reasonable?

Rightio. I'm leaving again before this devolves any further.

What point are you actually trying to make?

I don't see what liking a person has to do with someone knocking another player out wrecklessly

 

[WestCoast05]

Errrr...did you read the rest of the post, or did you just pick the part that suited your argument?

FFS.

"I'm arguing this case on its merits, not on my 'feelings' towards Dangerfield. If he gets 3, 4, 5, 6 weeks, I honestly don't care one way or the other, as his actions dictated his own fate. This is why it's dangerous to just assume what people's positions are, because we're so geared to having an emotional response, that we can't possibly imagine someone defending someone that they don't even really like. You all just sound hysterical in here, and your feelings towards him as a person don't you make you right when evaluating the context of the incident."

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How is any of that 'hysterical', partisan, or unreasonable?

Because you're calling everyone else out for being hysterical - most are just chatting about the case here.
Why assume you're the only calm logical one.

Anyways, to further the conversation any calls above 3 weeks are too much.
The hit was late. But not that late. It's the small factors like that which should matter.

Well if that's the case the bump has to be outlawed from the game to avoid any confusion. Simple, and will avoid 600 posts

Or get low when you bump. When you're in the air you're asking for trouble, doesn't help the intent part.

 

[DanWA]

Because you're calling everyone else out for being hysterical - most are just chatting about the case here.
Why assume you're the only calm logical one.

Anyways, to further the conversation any calls above 3 weeks are too much.
The hit was late. But not that late. It's the small factors like that which should matter.




Or get low when you bump. When you're in the air you're asking for trouble, doesn't help the intent part.

Yeah 3 weeks is on the money IMO

 

[Shadow89]

His feet don't leave the ground because of the force of the hit. He launches himself at Kelly. It is plain as day.View attachment 1084172View attachment 1084173View attachment 1084174View attachment 1084175View attachment 1084176View attachment 1084177View attachment 1084178View attachment 1084179

How is it plain as day when in the last screencap you show, his right foot still looks like it's on the ground. You know what, if I'm wrong about that, I'm happy to admit it. I reckon whatever I saw is closer to the bottom screenshot than the top one. With that said, I'm happy to admit fault on that and move on. Cheers for the info

 

[Shadow89]

Because you're calling everyone else out for being hysterical - most are just chatting about the case here.
Why assume you're the only calm logical one.

Anyways, to further the conversation any calls above 3 weeks are too much.
The hit was late. But not that late. It's the small factors like that which should matter.




Or get low when you bump. When you're in the air you're asking for trouble, doesn't help the intent part.

You're only looking at this page, lol. There's some that have been calling for 6 weeks and up on the basis of being a 'sniper' 'liar', 'holier than thou' and 'a flog.' People haven't been calm at all, lol, and apparently disagreeing with that stance, trying not to jump off the deep end or trying to act impartial when I don't even really like the guy that much, is me being hysterical?

Agree with the rest of what you've said there though, and we'll leave it there

 

[box070]

How is it plain as day when in the last screencap you show, his right foot still looks like it's on the ground. You know what, if I'm wrong about that, I'm happy to admit it. I reckon whatever I saw is closer to the bottom screenshot than the top one. With that said, I'm happy to admit fault on that and move on. Cheers for the info

They admitted in the tribunal he left the ground

 

[Vader]

How is it plain as day when in the last screencap you show, his right foot still looks like it's on the ground. You know what, if I'm wrong about that, I'm happy to admit it. I reckon whatever I saw is closer to the bottom screenshot than the top one. With that said, I'm happy to admit fault on that and move on. Cheers for the info

The 5th frame of the rear view clearly shows him airborne at the point of impact. One more frame in the front on sequence would have shown the same thing.

 

[Wacko23Jacko]

Come on lads, it's only a fair hip and shoulder if you made contact with a hip and shoulder. Guts, ribs and face not included in that!!

The bump technique is fine IF he hits a bloke side on, but he didn't, and never tried to. He poleaxed him from the front while he was disposing of the ball and defenceless. That is NOT a fair hip and shoulder.

 

[Shadow89]

They admitted in the tribunal he left the ground

So did I on further evidence

 

[TheKITC]

So my opinion of Patrick doesn't matter, but then it does? I don't really like him, but I'm also partisan to him? Weird. How do I have a dog in this fight, if I don't care that he gets suspended? You're the one that brought into play people's support of me, and started playing the man, and you want to act like you're being reasonable?

Rightio. I'm leaving again before this devolves any further.

You're partisan because of the team you support, it's as obvious as hell. All that other stuff you've carried on with in non-sense.

You haven't personally insulted people and talked down to them? Why won't you address that you've been found talking rubbish for the 'leaving the ground, inertia' which everyone can see is bullshit? Me raising that nobody agrees with you is not 'playing the man', you're just making things up again.

You're trying to leave it there because you are being called out and destroyed by facts and reasonable opinion, simple as that.

 

[beema limapep]

So my opinion of Patrick doesn't matter, but then it does? I don't really like him, but I'm also partisan to him? Weird. How do I have a dog in this fight, if I don't care that he gets suspended? You're the one that brought into play people's support of me, and started playing the man, and you want to act like you're being reasonable?

Rightio. I'm leaving again before this devolves any further.

The real victim here is clearly you

 

[WestCoast05]

So he’s pleaded guilty to rough conduct. I guess his lawyer wanted as keen on the self-defence argument lmao

Paddy: I want to plead self-defence

Lawyer: You know this isn't an assault or murder trial right?

Paddy: I had a duty of care to myself first

Lawyer: Look pls just stay away from the media until after the proceedings alright

 

[Bjchan13]

Not sure if hits like that happen multiple times in a game. It was a ripping shirt front and got him flush almost coming from the opposite direction.

Interestly the shoulder charge is illegal in rugby as they know just how dangerous it is. But in the AFL its is ok as long as you don't go high.

What does that say in itself?

I dont know about rugby but to me without the headclash, that action happens multiple times a game, maybe not timed as perfectly as that to create the force of the hit. The action though, i see as running towards a player with the ball to tackle, the player disposes of the ball at last second, and the defender is taught to lay a body on anyway to stop them getting involved in the next sequence or getting a 1 2 handball recieve happening. Without the head clash there is no discussion.

 

[DanWA]

Come on lads, it's only a fair hip and shoulder if you made contact with a hip and shoulder. Guts, ribs and face not included in that!!

The bump technique is fine IF he hits a bloke side on, but he didn't, and never tried to. He poleaxed him from the front while he was disposing of the ball and defenceless. That is NOT a fair hip and shoulder.

You are spot on!

Dangerfield's bump was to impose himself, not a legal bump

 

[box070]

So did I on further evidence, d*ckhead.

Only one dickhead here