Vic Daniel Andrews and the Statue of Limitations

[Festerz]

This is what the Federal Inquiry into the Covid response said about the new Chair of Orygen:

“The 868-page commonwealth report handed down on Tuesday included evidence that Victoria’s approach to restrictions was haphazard, poorly explained and without adequate consideration of mental health – particularly among young people and children.”

It also found this:

“The delays in vaccine procurement and distribution, further complicated by concerns over serious side effects, ultimately affected the duration of the vaccine rollout and prolonged restrictive public health measures. The additional lockdowns that occurred as a result of these delays had a direct economic cost estimated at $31 billion,”

But I've always found that if you want to get a decent understanding of a public inquiry report or study in context it pays to read the full report, or at least the executive summary to get an understanding of the context of its conclusions.

As opposed to cutting and pasting single lines from tabloid newspaper reports cultivated and published purely for click bait party political effect.

Mistakes were made, many of them major mistakes, at all levels of government and all nations - reflective of the unique scale of the crisis and the manner in which it developed.

By far the most important and significant sections of the report, and its main focus, is to outline what needs to be done to prepare for the next pandemic to ensure those mistakes are not repeated. No surprises that the tabloids have given close to feck-all attention to this.

The full report is freely available here for those who want to really get an understanding of the issue, as opposed to those who continue to play cheap brain-dead politics.

 

[Sttew]

It also found this:

“The delays in vaccine procurement and distribution, further complicated by concerns over serious side effects, ultimately affected the duration of the vaccine rollout and prolonged restrictive public health measures. The additional lockdowns that occurred as a result of these delays had a direct economic cost estimated at $31 billion,”

But I've always found that if you want to get a decent understanding of a public inquiry report or study in context it pays to read the full report, or at least the executive summary to get an understanding of the context of its conclusions.

As opposed to cutting and pasting single lines from tabloid newspaper reports cultivated and published for click bait party political effect.

This is a thread about Daniel Andrews not Covid. It pays to consider context instead of sniping

 

[Festerz]

This is a thread about Daniel Andrews not Covid. It pays to consider context instead of sniping

Did someone mention 'irony'?

 

[Sttew]

Did someone mention 'irony'?

Yes. Not sure what you consider ironic other than the obvious - (a) Andrews has been appointed Chair of a global youth mental health research organisation and (b) less than a fortnight after accepting the appointment a Commonwealth report singles him out for the impact HIS haphazard, ill conceived and poorly explained policies had on the mental health of children and teenagers during the COVID pandemic.

 

[Jane Doe]

Did someone mention 'irony'?

Dan still has his cheerleaders on here it appears

 

[Carn The Berries]

Yes. Not sure what you consider ironic other than the obvious - (a) Andrews has been appointed Chair of a global youth mental health research organisation and (b) less than a fortnight after accepting the appointment a Commonwealth report singles him out for the impact HIS haphazard, ill conceived and poorly explained policies had on the mental health of children and teenagers during the COVID pandemic.

Are we really that shocked that a report into COVID found that it had poor mental health outcomes? Even the ABC was getting in on the act this morning, asking the Federal Health Minister if the Premiers should apologise to their constituents for how they managed the pandemic.

What an absolute load of rot...

 

[wannabewinner]

75k pa is cheap when you almost guarantee govt funding in tough times

Lots of NFPs going around. Just looked high compared to an NFP of only 62 million.

NFPs are big business. Think of Salvos, Vinnies, etc. you can look at their turnover at the ACNC website.

 

[Satan]

Lots of NFPs going around. Just looked high compared to an NFP of only 62 million.

NFPs are big business. Think of Salvos, Vinnies, etc. you can look at their turnover at the ACNC website.

getting an expremier on board is good business despite him allegedly causing clients for the organization based on report quoted

 

[eddiesmith]

getting an expremier on board is good business despite him allegedly causing clients for the organization based on report quoted

It’s why he’s perfect, guaranteed funding from the government and will bring in more clients, win-win!

 

[Sinjin Smith]

The whole thing is bullshit someone using RUOK anytime is not someone who is equipped for the answer not to be yes

peetoo makes very little sense to me at the best of times though

Oath!!

It's a wasteful feel good show of bullshit.

Don't get me wrong, I want my team to be mentally well and some go through more shit than others but I am not comfortable with anyone in my team bringing it to me in detail.

I'll give them leave with pay without taxing their annual leave to sort it out, give them flexibility and whatever else I can do in my control but **** me I am not equipped to be your therapist.

Life can be ****ed, you will need support, so get it from someone who can provide it
Corporates aren't those people

 

[Sinjin Smith]

I know board member salaries elsewhere and does not pass the pub test at all. 75k for attending maybe 6-10 meetings in the whole year!

That's pretty standard. Nice if you can get it.

They're paying for the person's connections not expertise.

 

[FIGJAM]

This is what the Federal Inquiry into the Covid response said about the new Chair of Orygen:

“The 868-page commonwealth report handed down on Tuesday included evidence that Victoria’s approach to restrictions was haphazard, poorly explained and without adequate consideration of mental health – particularly among young people and children.”

It’s sad that some of the Dan sycophants in here accused people of being “cookers” in daring to scrutinise his and his government’s general competence and the length and severity of some of the lockdown measures.

But the jury is in and the sycophants have lost their arguments. We are worse off in mental health, respect for government and have by miles the worst debt in the country.

Andrews’ legacy is that he left Victoria in a considerably worse state than when he took over.

 

[FIGJAM]

Dan still has his cheerleaders on here it appears

Does Festerz even live in Victoria, or is he just blindly propagating his Labor party agenda like he does across all of the other boards?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Does Festerz even live in Victoria, or is he just blindly propagating his Labor party agenda like he does across all of the other boards?

That's a bit rich, Janet.

 

[FIGJAM]

That's a bit rich, Janet.

Good to see the Moderator Troll in full flight across all boards too!

You were one of the primary Dan sycophants in the various threads, so commiserations on your loss.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Good to see the Moderator Troll in full flight across all boards too!

You were one of the primary Dan sycophants in the various threads, so commiserations on your loss.

I never voted for the guy, but he did retire undefeated.

 

[FIGJAM]

I never voted for the guy, but he did retire undefeated.

You voted for him metaphorically at least, as your posts were always supporting him and slagging off the Feds (who admittedly deserved their share of blame too).

 

[Pie eyed]

It also found this:

“The delays in vaccine procurement and distribution, further complicated by concerns over serious side effects, ultimately affected the duration of the vaccine rollout and prolonged restrictive public health measures. The additional lockdowns that occurred as a result of these delays had a direct economic cost estimated at $31 billion,”

But I've always found that if you want to get a decent understanding of a public inquiry report or study in context it pays to read the full report, or at least the executive summary to get an understanding of the context of its conclusions.

As opposed to cutting and pasting single lines from tabloid newspaper reports cultivated and published purely for click bait party political effect.

Mistakes were made, many of them major mistakes, at all levels of government and all nations - reflective of the unique scale of the crisis and the manner in which it developed.

By far the most important and significant sections of the report, and its main focus, is to outline what needs to be done to prepare for the next pandemic to ensure those mistakes are not repeated. No surprises that the tabloids have given close to feck-all attention to this.

The full report is freely available here for those who want to really get an understanding of the issue, as opposed to those who continue to play cheap brain-dead politics.

The report was overwhelming positives to the various State and territory responses and the overall response as a nation.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Good to see the Moderator Troll in full flight across all boards too!

You were one of the primary Dan sycophants in the various threads, so commiserations on your loss.

What loss? last time i looked ALP were still running the show in Vic and the Libs were still shooting at each other?

 

[Sttew]

What loss? last time i looked ALP were still running the show in Vic and the Libs were still shooting at each other?

They're in government but hardly "running the show". I call it lurching from one potential disaster to the next without saying or doing much at all.

Classic example - tobacco. The government has sat on a report for 2 years (when Dan was still Premier), paralysed by God knows what. So the Opposition tried to introduce a Private Bill this week on tackling the issue only to be laughed off by the government whose strategy is to do nothing. Victoria remains the ONLY state not to introduce tobacco sales licensing laws.

 

[Gralin]

They're in government but hardly "running the show". I call it lurching from one potential disaster to the next without saying or doing much at all.

Classic example - tobacco. The government has sat on a report for 2 years (when Dan was still Premier), paralysed by God knows what. So the Opposition tried to introduce a Private Bill this week on tackling the issue only to be laughed off by the government whose strategy is to do nothing. Victoria remains the ONLY state not to introduce tobacco sales licensing laws.

are they the elected government Sttew?

 

[Sttew]

are they the elected government Sttew?

As I said, which you must have overlooked, "They're in government but hardly "running the show"."

 

[Gralin]

As I said, which you must have overlooked, "They're in government but hardly "running the show"."

are they in government

because if they are they are literally running the show

doesn't mean they are running it well but that is kind of what governments do Sttew

you really should just move on from this thread though because Dan isn't running the show anymore so arguing about the performance of Vic Labor in here is really just off topic at this point

 

[Reg Grundy35]

are they in government

because if they are they are literally running the show

doesn't mean they are running it well but that is kind of what governments do Sttew

you really should just move on from this thread though because Dan isn't running the show anymore so arguing about the performance of Vic Labor in here is really just off topic at this point

yes that is some serious ownership. He's been gone for over a year!.

 

[FIGJAM]

What loss? last time i looked ALP were still running the show in Vic and the Libs were still shooting at each other?

The loss of a myriad of arguments around our COVID response.

I could give two ****s about politics; I with a few others, were interested in at least scrutinising some of the more draconian measures, the lengths and severity of lockdowns and Victoria's apparently limitless budget.

As an prime example, Dan taped up playgrounds like there was a murder there, all because he had a tantrum one day about parents getting too chummy at a safe distance outdoors, chatting over their flat whites while the kids played.

And if you dare questioned the Supreme Leader, you got made to feel like you being against the measure was that you were basically in favour of putting a flame thrower through every aged care facility in Melbourne.

This line of argument against those who were in favour of health measures (ie. we weren't anti-vaxxers), was relentless. And all the while all we asked for was a little measured scrutiny and have been proven to be correct in this report, various admissions by Sutton (who was used as a pawn) and via our eye-wateringly high debt.