Vic Daniel Andrews and the Statue of Limitations

[Reg Grundy35]

Dan Andrews could murder someone and old mate would still defend him.

he could also save someone's life and you'd dump on him . so go figure

 

[Sttew]

I would query that. What exactly are Donnellys quals?

• taught for eighteen years in secondary schools (in both the government and non-government educational systems).
• was branch president of the Victorian Secondary Teachers Association (V.S.T.A.).
• In 1996 he undertook a strategic review of the Queensland Education Department for Minister Bob Quinn, focusing on organisation and curriculum at the senior policy level.
• In 1997 he was a member of the Victorian Board of Studies.
• In 1998 he undertook an analysis of Mathematics, Science and English curriculum across a range of school systems, both national and international, as a benchmarking exercise for the Victorian Department of Education.
• In 2000 he completed a comparative analysis of the New Zealand National Certificate of Educational Achievement for the NZ Education Forum
• In 2005–06, he was a member of the steering committee for the federally funded enquiry into the Australian Certificate of Education
• In 2008 he established the Education Standards Institute in Melbourne
• In 2013 he was appointed as Senior Research Fellow in the Faculty of Education and Arts at the Australian Catholic University in Melbourne

That's just some of his achievements

 

[The Punter]

• taught for eighteen years in secondary schools (in both the government and non-government educational systems).
• was branch president of the Victorian Secondary Teachers Association (V.S.T.A.).
• In 1996 he undertook a strategic review of the Queensland Education Department for Minister Bob Quinn, focusing on organisation and curriculum at the senior policy level.
• In 1997 he was a member of the Victorian Board of Studies.
• In 1998 he undertook an analysis of Mathematics, Science and English curriculum across a range of school systems, both national and international, as a benchmarking exercise for the Victorian Department of Education.
• In 2000 he completed a comparative analysis of the New Zealand National Certificate of Educational Achievement for the NZ Education Forum
• In 2005–06, he was a member of the steering committee for the federally funded enquiry into the Australian Certificate of Education
• In 2008 he established the Education Standards Institute in Melbourne
• In 2013 he was appointed as Senior Research Fellow in the Faculty of Education and Arts at the Australian Catholic University in Melbourne

That's just some of his achievements

You mentioned that last one just to trigger him, right?

 

[Sttew]

Donnelly is a geriatric loony who gets trotted out when the IPA want to slag schools under labor government. He knows "heck all" about contemporary education. I was in that game for 40 years and the libs were trotting that fwit right through it. All he is good for is writing supportive articles for RW pollies. No school would seriously look at his theories for kids. They'd be laughed at.

Find it incredibly hard to believe you were in the teaching caper for 40 years and you're not a "geriatric looney"?

So, we cannot trust anything Donnelly says but we have to accept the crap this government has dished up? I haven't heard you offer a solution? Was Donnelly right in saying HSC / VCE exams used to be written by teachers now they are the province of educrats employed in the oversized Victorian Public Service who see nothing wrong in leaking exams or issuing practice exams to students that contain the actual exam questions?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

• taught for eighteen years in secondary schools (in both the government and non-government educational systems).
• was branch president of the Victorian Secondary Teachers Association (V.S.T.A.).
• In 1996 he undertook a strategic review of the Queensland Education Department for Minister Bob Quinn, focusing on organisation and curriculum at the senior policy level.
• In 1997 he was a member of the Victorian Board of Studies.
• In 1998 he undertook an analysis of Mathematics, Science and English curriculum across a range of school systems, both national and international, as a benchmarking exercise for the Victorian Department of Education.
• In 2000 he completed a comparative analysis of the New Zealand National Certificate of Educational Achievement for the NZ Education Forum
• In 2005–06, he was a member of the steering committee for the federally funded enquiry into the Australian Certificate of Education
• In 2008 he established the Education Standards Institute in Melbourne
• In 2013 he was appointed as Senior Research Fellow in the Faculty of Education and Arts at the Australian Catholic University in Melbourne

That's just some of his achievements

every single job the spanner got was because his report was guarenteed to suit those who hired him - always conservative Govts and think tanks. He's an academic whore. Just out of interest - you ever work in the education sphere? or just get your "expertise" from from listening to people like Connelly?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Find it incredibly hard to believe you were in the teaching caper for 40 years and you're not a "geriatric looney"?

So, we cannot trust anything Donnelly says but we have to accept the crap this government has dished up? I haven't heard you offer a solution? Was Donnelly right in saying HSC / VCE exams used to be written by teachers now they are the province of educrats employed in the oversized Victorian Public Service who see nothing wrong in leaking exams or issuing practice exams to students that contain the actual exam questions?

i have no idea mate - but neither does Connelly. To suggest that the exams were deliberatley leaked is Andrew Bolt level bile. Connelly writes whatever he is asked to write and tools like you grab it because it suits you. The exam thing was a balls up. No question. To suggest that it was politically motivated is just another deranged conspiracy theory from those who have no idea how they are ever going to get conservative Govt in Victoria.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

You mentioned that last one just to trigger him, right?

knew you'd be lurking

• taught for eighteen years in secondary schools (in both the government and non-government educational systems).
• was branch president of the Victorian Secondary Teachers Association (V.S.T.A.).
• In 1996 he undertook a strategic review of the Queensland Education Department for Minister Bob Quinn, focusing on organisation and curriculum at the senior policy level.
• In 1997 he was a member of the Victorian Board of Studies.
• In 1998 he undertook an analysis of Mathematics, Science and English curriculum across a range of school systems, both national and international, as a benchmarking exercise for the Victorian Department of Education.
• In 2000 he completed a comparative analysis of the New Zealand National Certificate of Educational Achievement for the NZ Education Forum
• In 2005–06, he was a member of the steering committee for the federally funded enquiry into the Australian Certificate of Education
• In 2008 he established the Education Standards Institute in Melbourne
• In 2013 he was appointed as Senior Research Fellow in the Faculty of Education and Arts at the Australian Catholic University in Melbourne

That's just some of his achievements

ACU? I notice all the proper Uni's give him a wide berth

 

[The Punter]

Reckon we have a teacher shortage now? Take all the ACU trained teachers out of the system and you'd have 50 kids in each class.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Reckon we have a teacher shortage now? Take all the ACU trained teachers out of the system and you'd have 50 kids in each class.

they train their own. keeps the cult alive. they needed to since the nuns all wised up and the christian brothers got jailed.

 

[Sttew]

they train their own. keeps the cult alive. they needed to since the nuns all wised up and the christian brothers got jailed.

You really are a bitter Grinch. Why do you bother?

 

[Sttew]

i have no idea mate

Good! Let’s just leave it that then!

BTW, get the guy’s surname right if you are going to slag off about him, LOL

 

[Sttew]

every single job the spanner got was because his report was guarenteed to suit those who hired him - always conservative Govts and think tanks. He's an academic whore. Just out of interest - you ever work in the education sphere? or just get your "expertise" from from listening to people like Connelly?

Is that Billy or Rohan?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

You really are a bitter Grinch. Why do you bother?

because of caustic dickheads who want to run Govt schools into the ground i guess

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Moira Deeming v John Pesutto

Oh yay, two toll roads that absolutely nothing to solve congestion! You really are ignorant! Do you think Melbourne is a static city? In 1996 its population was 3 million. It’s now 5.5 million. The two tunnels and Citylink connected three freeways and you mock it as inconsequential...

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Frank Bunn since I can't respond in the original thread, I'll respond here.

The old 'states don't control immigration' chestnut.

Morrison went to COAG wanting to gain the states’ co-operation in lowering Australia’s migration rate.

He never needed their cooperation. Immigration rates are under the control of the Immigration Minister, Prime Minister and Federal Parliament. If Morrison really wanted low immigration, he would have done it and told the states to like it or lump it.

I suspect what Morrison was trying to do was to keep looking tough on immigration while still following the instructions of his corporate donors to keep skilled immigration levels high, so he brought immigration to COAG so he could use the state Premiers as his scapegoat.

Andrews maintained he was neutral on Melbourne's population growth but he voted against the proposal. Only Gladys Berejiklian for NSW was in favour.

Andrews supported high immigration because it allowed him to claim economic growth. It's fake because GDP growth per person is stagnant. Victorians are not getting better off financially, while Melbourne is becoming an overcrowded shit hole.

No, Andrews said very specifically what his priority was for that meeting: infrastructure funding, not economic growth.



He also said this:



It's possible Morrison argued that lower immigration meant lower infrastructure funding, which ran against what Andrews came there for. And honestly I think Andrews' priorities were right, because we could easily take the number of immigrants we do with no hit to quality of life if we made all the necessary infrastructure improvements (building more homes, roads, rail, hospitals, schools etc). We're not a poor country, and the economic boost from immigration should be more than enough to pay for infrastructure improvements.

The reason we don't do that is the structural problem with Australian government - providing this infrastructure is almost entirely the responsibility of the states, but most tax revenue accrues to the Federal Government, who do not fund infrastructure anywhere near as much as they should. We've had years of serious underfunding of infrastructure, and I don't blame Andrews for not wanting to lose any. Heck, the reason Brisbane launched a bid for the Olympics was to get the miserly Federal Government to part with the money they always should have been spending on infrastructure.

One could argue that lower immigration means a lesser need for infrastructure, but a lot of infrastructure scales well: if I'm building a new railway line with 15 minute services or a new major public hospital, they can serve 200 000 people just as well as they can serve 50 000. So the infrastructure is more important.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

Donnelly is a geriatric loony who gets trotted out when the IPA want to slag schools under labor government. He knows "heck all" about contemporary education. I was in that game for 40 years and the libs were trotting that fwit right through it. All he is good for is writing supportive articles for RW pollies. No school would seriously look at his theories for kids. They'd be laughed at.

I know one that did in fact very seriously.

 

[FIGJAM]

In May last year the Victorian government signed a $1.7 billion contract for Conduent Business Services to run Victoria’s Myki ticketing system for the next 15 years. The Auditor General ripped through the Labour government's handing of the Myki fiasco budget blow out.

I really need to know what sort of kickback and/or long lunch resulted in the decision to overlook a provider (Cubic) who had an 'out of the box' product that works seamlessly in Sydney and Singapore, that was significantly cheaper and didn't need to be developed to allow credit card payments, to getting a more expensive option that has blown out massively in cost, didn't have the technology developed in the first place and at best looks like taking years (from today!!).

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorias-17bn-myki-upgrade-facing-turmoil-after-company-exit-credit-card-tapandgo-years-away/news-story/0d29bbae50fd6d9e7af0cc457a98e23f

Andrews government defends myki contract amid fierce criticism from Opal card operator

A firm has revealed in a letter to Premier Daniel Andrews that its bid to take over the myki ticketing system was $100 million cheaper than the winning bid.

www.abc.net.au

Doubts raised about US firm handed $1.7bn to fix myki

The company runs public transport payment systems in cities around the world, but promised features like open payments remain unavailable in many places.

www.abc.net.au

The incompetence of the Andrews government knows no bounds. The literally needed (and still need under Allan) to do a 'George Costanza' and do the exact opposite of their natural instincts.

 

[Sttew]

I really need to know what sort of kickback and/or long lunch resulted in the decision to overlook a provider (Cubic) who had an 'out of the box' product that works seamlessly in Sydney and Singapore, that was significantly cheaper and didn't need to be developed to allow credit card payments, to getting a more expensive option that has blown out massively in cost, didn't have the technology developed in the first place and at best looks like taking years (from today!!).

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorias-17bn-myki-upgrade-facing-turmoil-after-company-exit-credit-card-tapandgo-years-away/news-story/0d29bbae50fd6d9e7af0cc457a98e23f

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Andrews government defends myki contract amid fierce criticism from Opal card operator

A firm has revealed in a letter to Premier Daniel Andrews that its bid to take over the myki ticketing system was $100 million cheaper than the winning bid.

www.abc.net.au

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Doubts raised about US firm handed $1.7bn to fix myki

The company runs public transport payment systems in cities around the world, but promised features like open payments remain unavailable in many places.

www.abc.net.au

The incompetence of the Andrews government knows no bounds. The literally needed (and still need under Allan) to do a 'George Costanza' and do the exact opposite of their natural instincts.

We got our first taste of this during Covid with Hotel Quarantine. Victoria had to do its own thing, remember the "Gold Standard"?

The Myki fiasco is a sheer and utter embarrassment. NSW introduced OPAL after we got Myki, but NSW didn't try and reinvent the wheel; it adapted London's Oyster card system. And get this, Opal cards never expire and can be used on ferries, buses, trains and the light rail. The Allan government is arguing the delays in Victoria are partly because our transport system is so complicated because we run buses, trams and trains! NSW runs 4 different public transport systems and you can use your credit card to tap on.

This Labor government is just too proud and pigheaded to admit it ****ed the ticketing system up and should just adapt an existing system like Opal.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

NSW introduced OPAL after we got Myki, but NSW didn't try and reinvent the wheel;

They had to change thier ticketing system to suit.
Look up MyZone.

And get this, Opal cards never expire and can be used on ferries, buses, trains and the light rail.

And until Myzone that never used to happen.
You would have to buy separate tickets if you took a private bus and a train and the light rail

 

[Sttew]

They had to change thier ticketing system to suit.
Look up MyZone.


And until Myzone that never used to happen.
You would have to buy separate tickets if you took a private bus and a train and the light rail

Didn’t Opal succeed Myzone?

Regardless, Myki is inferior. It expires unlike Opal. You can tap on with any credit card, unlike Myki. And it is fast. Not sure when you last used Myki,
but swiping it on the panel is not instantaneous

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Didn’t Opal succeed Myzone?

Yes. MyZone was them unifying thier ticketing for Opal. NSW learned from thier first attempt at a smart card which was TCard.

Not sure when you last used Myki,
but swiping it on the panel is not instantaneous

Quite literally yesterday. The only slow readers are the old green ACS ones. The grey VIX ones are no different to Opal.

All are getting replaced with the Conduent readers. Which will enable the contactless payment

 

[Sttew]

All are getting replaced with the Conduent readers. Which will enable the contactless payment

When? In 2023 Ben Carol announced it was imminent. If we’re lucky it won’t happen until 2026 just in time for the election. That said the senior executive who has quit Convergint says tap and go is years away!

Can you at least admit the government has handled this poorly? The HUN is reporting that as of September 2024 23,000 device readers had been ordered and they may not be compatible! Conduent hasn’t obtained banking certification for credit cards to tap and go and no testing has been done on whether the new technology is compatible with Myki cards.

 

[peetoo]

It’s being trialed in actual physical trials in a regional city

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

When? In 2023 Ben Carol announced it was imminent. If we’re lucky it won’t happen until 2026 just in time for the election. That said the senior executive who has quit Convergint says tap and go is years away!

The trial for contactless started last year in Wangaratta.

Trial for 'tap and go' payments on Victorian public transport begins

www.9news.com.au

Conduent hasn’t obtained banking certification for credit cards to tap and go and no testing has been done on whether the new technology is compatible with Myki cards.

They're same readers Adelaide has which has contactless.

 

[Sttew]

The trial for contactless started last year in Wangaratta.

Trial for 'tap and go' payments on Victorian public transport begins

www.9news.com.au

They're same readers Adelaide has which has contactless.

Keep defending this hapless government! The proof will be in the eating of the pudding.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Keep defending this hapless government! The proof will be in the eating of the pudding.

I'm stating facts.
Not once have I even mentioned the government.

It does appear you however are blinded by your own bias.