Traded Daniel Rioli - Traded with picks 51, 61, 70 & 76 to GC for picks 6 & 26

[LukeParkerno1]

You're not kidding anyone.

Getting pick 6 for a good but not great 27 year old back flanker when you're about to go through a deep rebuild is a great deal. There's no way in the world Richmond would prefer to keep him.

Asking for more is just trying to bluff GC into doing something stupid. And to be fair given their history it's a decent ploy.

They gave you pick 7 for a borderline best 22 player in Bowes. Why shouldn’t they ask for more? One has talent and won a B & F this year.

How about we all wait till Monday/Tuesday when the dust will settle. It will end between the two offers. GC will give more than pick 6, Richmond won’t get 6 +23 straight. Be something in between with futures swapped in likelihood

 

[THE_GUN]

Kidding if you don't think Rioli is an A Grader. Honestly he is, one of the best decision makers in the back half. Not saying he's elite but he's a solid A Grader. Is he Houston A grade probably not, but the bloke is still A GRade and will be traded as one

Houston & Rioli are both very good at what they do but in different ways
Houston cuts through opposition with his precise kicking and Rioli with his Run through backline to foward

but both extremely effective

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Houston & Rioli are both very good at what they do but in different ways
Houston cuts through opposition with his precise kicking and Rioli with his Run through backline to foward

but both extremely effective

Never said otherwise both are A graders. If some want to say Houston is slightly ahead and he does have more AA’s so it’s reasonable on that front. It’s not by a lot though

 

[Jeremias]

It’s as simple as the tigers are only willing to make the deal for the right price and it’s on the Gold Coast to make that happen

It's clearly not that simple though. Gold Coast are motivated buyers but we can't ignore Richmond being motivated sellers.

They're very prepared to sell Rioli because they know where they're at as a club and the opportunity it presents. They also know they'll get a great deal.

If they weren't, this would've been shut down a long time ago.

Not sure why anyone would read too much into the statement from Hartley. Isn't that exactly what he'd be expected to say? He's not going to come out and say anything that weakens their hand but we can also read between the lines and understand the situation for what it is.

 

[Footy Smarts]

They gave you pick 7 for a borderline best 22 player in Bowes. Why shouldn’t they ask for more? One has talent and won a B & F this year.

How about we all wait till Monday/Tuesday when the dust will settle. It will end between the two offers. GC will give more than pick 6, Richmond won’t get 6 +23 straight. Be something in between with futures swapped in likelihood

I literally said asking for more is a good ploy given Gold Coast's history. But it's clearly a bluff. There's no way in the world the tigers walk away from pick 6.

It's obviously overs and a 27 year old has less value to Richmond than any other club given the state of their list.

 

[Barrybran]

Will do a megatrade that balances all interests and indulging in my Hawks bias. Each clubs individually seem fine to me

Freo: Bolton, 26 ( give - 10, 18, 30, F3)
GC: Rioli, F3, F3 ( give - 6, 23)
Haw: Barrass, 30 ( give - F1, 33)
Rich: 6, 10, 18, 23 ( give - Rioli, Bolton, Baker, F3)
WC: Baker, F1, 33 ( give - Barass, 26)

Tigers and Eagles can swap the 18 & F1 if needed. DGB( to Richmond) and our F4( to Suns or Eagles) as steak knives to whoever wants it

From our side, there would need to be more on table if it were your F1 rather than 14. That doesn't have to come from Hawthorn directly but you do have the Hawks as effectively giving up only an F1 for Barrass so I think that is where adjustments would begin. Probably by sending 30 our way and we give an F3 to Gold Coast rather than one of Richmond or Freo.

I haven't seen an F1 trade yet so I don't mind the effort.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I literally said asking for more is a good ploy given Gold Coast's history. But it's clearly a bluff. There's no way in the world the tigers walk away from pick 6.

It's obviously overs and a 27 year old has less value to Richmond than any other cob given the state of their list.

Pick 6 is not overs it’s fair at most, Richmond want more than fair and that is reasonable.

Answer this who is better Bowes or Rioli? You got 7 from that deal. Richmond deserve a bit more than that

 

[Jeremias]

Answer this who is better Bowes or Rioli? You got 7 from that deal. Richmond deserve a bit more than that

These 2 deals are not remotely comparable.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

These 2 deals are not remotely comparable.

Same club yes they took a contract on but that’s the going rate. Rioli is significantly better.

It will end between the two extremes non issue on day 4 of trade period

 

[Jeremias]

Same club yes they took a contract on but that’s the going rate. Rioli is significantly better.

Same club yes. But again, the two situations are completely different.

Bowes was a salary dump. The Rioli deal is not.

 

[THE_GUN]

Will do a megatrade that balances all interests and indulging in my Hawks bias. Each clubs individually seem fine to me

Freo: Bolton, 26 ( give - 10, 18, 30, F3)
GC: Rioli, F3, F3 ( give - 6, 23)
Haw: Barrass, 30 ( give - F1, 33)
Rich: 6, 10, 18, 23 ( give - Rioli, Bolton, Baker, F3)
WC: Baker, F1, 33 ( give - Barass, 26)

Tigers and Eagles can swap the 18 & F1 if needed. DGB( to Richmond) and our F4( to Suns or Eagles) as steak knives to whoever wants it

Richmond say NO

Richmond already have the above offers on the table which have been knocked back
#6 - Been on the table since day 1 unaccepted
#10 & #18 as above
where is the Baker bounty ???

 

[Libbaaaa]

No idea why the Suns are throwing the kitchen sink at him when they could just get Noble for 20% of the price. Rioli/Noble/Powell is a lot of half back flankers to be playing at the same time.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Same club yes. But again, the two situations are completely different.

Bowes was a salary dump. The Rioli deal is not.

Does not matter if you think it will be a straight swap for pick 6 think again. This is a club moment for GC and Richmond sure know it. It will be between the extremes a 6+23 for Rioli and a f3 is about right, maybe a f2. More than reasonable in the circumstances

 

[hawkinoz]

From our side, there would need to be more on table if it were your F1 rather than 14. That doesn't have to come from Hawthorn directly but you do have the Hawks as effectively giving up only an F1 for Barrass so I think that is where adjustments would begin. Probably by sending 30 our way and we give an F3 to Gold Coast rather than one of Richmond or Freo.

I haven't seen an F1 trade yet so I don't mind the effort.

If each club focusses on only what you are giving and getting, it is more than fair. As it stands now Eagles will get 14 or F1 with something extra for Barass and that will go for Baker

here you are getting Baker & F1 with your 2nd pick moving down a bit. So one would say the adjustment has to come from Eagles as well. Just making the point, we can all adjust.

Obviously Tigers who think Rioli is work 6+23 and Bolton is 10 + 18+ XX and Baker is pick 14 will find this as not good and try to fleece all.

I rate Bolton more than Rioli... So Bolton is worth 10+early 20's while Rioli is around pick 10 and Baker around 20.

If they get 6, 10, 18, 23 for giving up these 3 + their F3, they are the big winners actually.

Richmond say NO

Richmond already have the above offers on the table which have been knocked back
#6 - Been on the table since day 1 unaccepted
#10 & #18 as above
where is the Baker bounty ???

I disagree any of this was ever on table as is, they all at best had something decent going back.. just media spin just like 2 first round picks for Barass was.

Nothing is going back in the trade I gave, so Tigers are the winners

 

[Jeremias]

Does not matter...

Of course it does. How can you possibly say they're comparable when the reasons for the trades are completely different?

It's a ridiculous comparison.

 

[tigerwill]

It's clearly not that simple though. Gold Coast are motivated buyers but we can't ignore Richmond being motivated sellers.

Motivated sellers at the right price. As we’ve said all along.

They're very prepared to sell Rioli because they know where they're at as a club and the opportunity it presents. They also know they'll get a great deal.

No kidding. And we agree, at least some do, for a great deal. Not a good deal. Otherwise he becomes one of the leaders in a regeneration.
One thing I’ll give Daniel is that even if his mind was made up to seek a move, he gave his best every week right up until the last game of the season. He never checked out. Which speaks volumes for him in my mind.

If they weren't, this would've been shut down a long time ago.

Certainly, the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In this case GCS.

Not sure why anyone would read too much into the statement from Hartley. Isn't that exactly what he'd be expected to say? He's not going to come out and say anything that weakens their hand but we can also read between the lines and understand the situation for what it is.

I think most people can see the situation for themselves. We’ve had players retire and others seeking greener pastures.
So ga4 we’ve got a middling 40s pick for Jack Graham, I’d expect a pick around the 20s for Baker. Some decent picks for Bolton. With the already strong hand of picks for the draft and plenty at the back end to trade up to clubs looking for points were in a fair position.
If Rioli or Bolton trades don’t go through, they’ll become key players going forward. Both still under decent contracts. They’ll get over their disappointment if they’re not traded. They were never guaranteed trades would go through if the other clubs didn’t oblige. No doubt there would have been some decent discussion during their exit interviews.

Our list has some holes and we still have a young list. This draft if we have to take 5-8 players and next years before Tassy come in will be important no doubt. Some trades, FA’s and we’re in the mix.
Slightly better than if you’re a middling team with an older list, then Tassy get their raft of draft picks and concessions.
So not all doom and gloom.
If the trades work out in our favour..well and good, more higher ranked draftees come in.
If the trades don’t work out..well we deal with that hand as we had already planned to do before Rioli and Bolton decided to see if they could possibly be traded.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Of course it does. How can you possibly say they're comparable when the reasons for the trades are completely different?

It's a ridiculous comparison.

End of the day if GC don't get the deal done no decent player will nominate them in the future. You get the deal done with overs, they don't need more kids they need to make finals next year. They will swap futures to even it out, and that's more than reasonable.

 

[tigerwill]

I literally said asking for more is a good ploy given Gold Coast's history. But it's clearly a bluff. There's no way in the world the tigers walk away from pick 6.

It's obviously overs and a 27 year old has less value to Richmond than any other cob given the state of their list.

A 27 year old might have 5 or 6 more years left. It’s not like he’s over 30 already.
He’s a bona fide star.
A pick 6 may not even play 20 games. There are no guarantees.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Who is "we" - the supporters or the club?

If the club doesn't want him to leave, they wouldn't be selling. Especially not whilst under contract.

As you yourself say, it's not that simple. Club is selling for overs. That's the opportunity they see.

Getting pick 6 for a good but not great 27 year old back flanker

But he is a great HBF. Up there with Houston, Blakey and Zorko. Watch the AAs roll in once he's at an AFL lovechild and not their most-loathed club.

 

[tigerwill]

End of the day if GC don't get the deal done no decent player will nominate them in the future. You get the deal done with overs, they don't need more kids they need to make finals next year. They will swap futures to even it out, and that's more than reasonable.

Exactly. Hardwick is on record saying draft picks were of no use to them (paraphrasing) they needed mature aged players.

 

[Jeremias]

End of the day if GC don't get the deal done no decent player will nominate them in the future. You get the deal done with overs, they don't need more kids they need to make finals next year. They will swap futures to even it out, and that's more than reasonable.

Not quite. History is littered with examples of trades that have fallen through yet clubs that couldn't get those deals done are able to trade successfully in future years.

Clubs are generally professionally run organizations, rather than run by overly emotional fans who have maybe 2% of the facts in front of them.

Regardless, none of that has anything to do with the ludicrous comparison made between this and the Bowes deal. I wonder why you're so keen to ignore it?

 

[Footy Smarts]

A 27 year old might have 5 or 6 more years left. It’s not like he’s over 30 already.
He’s a bona fide star.
A pick 6 may not even play 20 games. There are no guarantees.

Yeah he might have 5 more good years left. At which point your new young players will be just starting to mature.

Best case if Richmond does everything well they push into finals right at the end of his career.

 

[THE_GUN]

Yeah he might have 5 more good years left. At which point your new young players will be just starting to mature.

Best case if Richmond does everything well they push into finals right at the end of his career.

Or Delisted

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Not quite. History is littered with examples of trades that have fallen through yet clubs that couldn't get those deals done are able to trade successfully in future years.

Clubs are generally professionally run organizations, rather than run by overly emotional fans who have maybe 2% of the facts in front of them.

Regardless, none of that has anything to do with the ludicrous comparison made between this and the Bowes deal. I wonder why you're so keen to ignore it?

GC need to get the deal done if they don't why would a player nominate that team. The deals are comparable and Rioli is not just better he's significantly better. It will be the 6 +23 with futures swapped. That is fair and it's on par. Just because GC butchered their cap doesn't mean Richmond won't be saying well you gave 7 for Bowes, do better.

 

[Tonythetiger]

A 27 year old might have 5 or 6 more years left. It’s not like he’s over 30 already.
He’s a bona fide star.
A pick 6 may not even play 20 games. There are no guarantees.

Hit the nail on the head. We overrate draft picks on potential vs proven quality players and years remaining likely to play at the top level. Sure, Gold Coast would love a pick 6 player to play 200+ games at a high level, but there are countless players picked earlier and picked around the mark that have done a lot less. Gold Coast are completing their list build, not starting it where they desperately need early picks like us.

I've said it earlier, Gold Coast will be looking at this draft/trade period as getting Lombard in, getting trade targets like Rioli and Noble, and moving some points into next year for more academy picks. A great result for them is to get those three players, increase their hand for next year and maybe they want to keep a spot open for a slider.