Player Watch Darcy Fogarty - Re-Signed to End of 2031

[John Who]

Laird averages 16.4 handballs per game in 2021, compared to Fogarty's 2.4. I know which stat I prefer.

Yeah, nah. We are talking 2 different things. You are talking about total stats, whereas I'm talking a single stat in isolation.

I guess you can look at 40 bruise-free disposals and be in awe, whereas 20 hard-fought bruise-plenty disposals might be worth the same weight in gold. The question isn't whether Fog can give us quality bruise-plenty disposals, but whether he can reach that consistent improvement in total disposals where he can be damaging for us?

 

[BRL121]

Rose tinted blinkers?

Yeah, he's not really Vader: he's Red Horse.

 

[MrBarry]

Laird averages 16.4 handballs per game in 2021, compared to Fogarty's 2.4. I know which stat I prefer.

If Fog can get his average posessions up this year to even say 14/15, they will all be more damaging than laird's. Quality over quantity.

 

[Vader]

If Fog can get his average posessions up this year to even say 14/15, they will all be more damaging than laird's. Quality over quantity.

Fog needs to be averaging 12-15 disposals per game if he's playing in the forward line, or 18-22 if he's playing in the midfield. Those are absolute minimums. He currently averages less than 8 when playing forward, and ~12 when playing in the midfield. He needs to raise his output by at least 50% to make a consistent & meaningful contribution to the team.

I'm not convinced that he's capable of doing that, without radical changes to his physique.

** I also don't see that his midfield disposals are that much more valuable than Laird's. Laird has averaged just under 29 disposals per game over the last 3 years (adjusting for the shorter games in 2020). Even if we assume Fogarty has more "hurt factor", he still needs to average at least 2/3 as many disposals per game as Laird.

 

[thebirdman 24]

How does the Fog's stats compare to Tex at a similar age?

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[kulak]

How does the Fog's stats compare to Tex at a similar age?

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In 2012, Tex was the same age as Fog is this season, turned 22. Tex was quite good that year.

 

[Brenton Davy]

How does the Fog's stats compare to Tex at a similar age?

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Not well

 

[Mutineer]

How does the Fog's stats compare to Tex at a similar age?

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Taylor Walker and Darcy Fogarty AFL Stats Comparison

Taylor Walker and Darcy Fogarty AFL Stats Comparison.

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[Vader]

How does the Fog's stats compare to Tex at a similar age?

The stats make very ugly reading for Fogarty's fanbois.

To be fair, the midfield delivering to Tex at that age was a massive improvement on the one delivering to Fog... but the reality is that Fogarty is barely fit to tie Walker's shoelaces.

 

[Faaarrk]

How does the Fog's stats compare to Tex at a similar age?

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It would be more accurate in games played, not age.
Also need to remember the game is completely different now.
Also if Taylor was given multiple games in a row or yo-yo circuit like Darcy.

 

[Geoffa32]

Fog needs to be averaging 12-15 disposals per game if he's playing in the forward line, or 18-22 if he's playing in the midfield. Those are absolute minimums. He currently averages less than 8 when playing forward, and ~12 when playing in the midfield. He needs to raise his output by at least 50% to make a consistent & meaningful contribution to the team.

I'm not convinced that he's capable of doing that, without radical changes to his physique.

** I also don't see that his midfield disposals are that much more valuable than Laird's. Laird has averaged just under 29 disposals per game over the last 3 years (adjusting for the shorter games in 2020). Even if we assume Fogarty has more "hurt factor", he still needs to average at least 2/3 as many disposals per game as Laird.

He is a developing player.

As you say, get leaner and get smarter. Those numbers will rise.

If he doesn't become a mid, this experience will help his usefulness as a forward when the ball is not in the F50.

We have spent three years stuffing him around. At least now there is a plan.

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[NTRabbit]

How does the Fog's stats compare to Tex at a similar age?

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And as near as one can get to same number of total games played (24 vs playing 24th and reaching 32nd that season)

 

[Vader]

It would be more accurate in games played, not age.
Also need to remember the game is completely different now.
Also if Taylor was given multiple games in a row or yo-yo circuit like Darcy.

Walker took 2 seasons (from debut) to get to 32 games - he played 14 in 2009 & 18 in 2010. In that time he kicked 58.47.
Fogarty is in his 4th season, and is still on 28 games (plus 1 as non-activated sub). He's kicked 31.5.

There is no point in their respective careers where Fogarty's stats compare favourably with Walker's.

Walker wasn't even selected in his 1st season (2008), as Craig held him back in the SANFL while he addressed issues in his game - work rate, defensive efforts, etc. He then played R1-9 of the 2009 season.

Fogarty has never played more than 7 consecutive games - but that's because his poor performance has forced the selectors into dropping him, over & over again. It's not because of a lack of opportunity, it's because of a lack of performance. The selectors have shown that they will keep kids in the team for prolonged periods if the kids are delivering - think Berry, Schoenberg, Hamill & Sholl in the last 12 months. They all got their opportunities, made the most of them, and stayed in the team. Fogarty has been given opportunities, he just hasn't made the most of them.

 

[hey shorty]

It would be more accurate in games played, not age.
Also need to remember the game is completely different now.
Also if Taylor was given multiple games in a row or yo-yo circuit like Darcy.

He was given those things.

Tex was a far superior player at Fogs age, indeed he was a far superior player to most forwards

 

[Southerntakeover]

Fog needs to be averaging 12-15 disposals per game if he's playing in the forward line, or 18-22 if he's playing in the midfield. Those are absolute minimums. He currently averages less than 8 when playing forward, and ~12 when playing in the midfield. He needs to raise his output by at least 50% to make a consistent & meaningful contribution to the team.

You're authoritatively presenting trash again.

The absolute minimum contribution for Fogarty to average as a forward to even be recognised as a player is substantially higher than the career averages of pretty much every successful key forward in the game? LOL.

Fogarty, as a key forward, will be a failure if he doesnt meet the career disposal average of David Mackay who you consistently defend.

I mean, have you no shame?

Kennedy: 11. https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-west-coast-eagles--joshua-kennedy

Hawkins: 12 https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-geelong-cats--tom-hawkins

Riewoldt: 12 https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-richmond-tigers--jack-riewoldt

Walker: call it 13 https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-adelaide-crows--taylor-walker


But yeah, if he doesnt get to 15 as a key forward he's a spud.

 

[Southerntakeover]

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And as near as one can get to same number of total games played (24 vs playing 24th and reaching 32nd that season)

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I reckon playing forward in our 2021 team is pretty much equivalent to our 2012 team.

 

[Scorpus]

You're authoritatively presenting trash again.

The absolute minimum contribution for Fogarty to average as a forward to even be recognised as a player is substantially higher than the career averages of pretty much every successful key forward in the game? LOL.

Fogarty, as a key forward, will be a failure if he doesnt meet the career disposal average of David Mackay who you consistently defend.

I mean, have you no shame?

Kennedy: 11. https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-west-coast-eagles--joshua-kennedy

Hawkins: 12 https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-geelong-cats--tom-hawkins

Riewoldt: 12 https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-richmond-tigers--jack-riewoldt

Walker: call it 13 https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-adelaide-crows--taylor-walker


But yeah, if he doesnt get to 15 as a key forward he's a spud.

Vader probably shouldn't go back and look at Josh Kennedy's career stats.

18 goals in his first 29 matches, averaging 8 disposals. Pathetic. Delist him.

 

[John Who]

I don't think it's fair to compare Fog with Laird and Tex per se. The comparisons as such are missing entirely the circumstances in which Fog is put under. Tex is a champion forward and has been pretty much a mainstay forward for the most part of his career. Laird is pretty much a gut runner and has been getting ridiculous amounts of disposals pretty much from the get go since the start of his AFL career.

Fog started quite well from what I can remember back in 2018, but then, for various reasons, he's had a stop-start career and being tried in so many spots around the ground (forward, defence, midfield). Has his development been hindering or helped to improve him? I think it's a bit too early to say. Bearing in mind also, we currently have a young group which are quite inconsistent as a whole. Overall though, I'm a believer that the more he plays, the more better he will become. He has all the weapons that belongs at AFL level and nothing less. Just that lack of....that word again...fitness! (which hopefully and naturally should improve!)

 

[NTRabbit]

I reckon playing forward in our 2021 team is pretty much equivalent to our 2012 team.

The 2020 team is pretty similar to the 2010 team in the second screen cap, opened the season with a long winless streak and finished in the bottom half.

 

[Southerntakeover]

The 2020 team is pretty similar to the 2010 team in the second screen cap, opened the season with a long winless streak and finished in the bottom half.

Not even remotely as dysfunctional imo.

Over the worst 10 last year we were one of the worst teams ever seen.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Vader probably shouldn't go back and look at Josh Kennedy's career stats.

18 goals in his first 29 matches, averaging 8 disposals. Pathetic. Delist him.

Like, we shouldn't assume that he cares about reality.

It's become obviously apparent over the last few weeks that Vader's lost all sense of perspective or reality, and has just entered full blow hate spiralling. He's not posting because he even believes things any more, it's more about trying to upset everyone who's been laughing at him.

 

[Igavemyloveachicken]

Height, Weight: 192cm, 95kg
Summary Profile: Powerful, but athletic utility with clean skills. If not for an injury-riddled 2017 he might be in the pick one conversation.

Genuine question of intrigue, I'm on this forum for the right reason. I'm wondering if Fogarty was far more physically developed than his peers pre draft which contributed greatly to his pre draft form and rating amongst his peers.
Could Fogarty not reaching his expected potential be partly due to his peers bridging that gap in physical development having been in the system for a number of years.

 

[Redleg Crow]

I guess the two questions are:

Would any of the first 11 teams now be wishing they had picked him?
Is there anyone closely after him that we wish we had instead?



To be honest I have given up waiting for the big breakout game. It could still happen, but I'm not expecting it with every game like I had been.

 

[Scorpus]

I guess the two questions are:

Would any of the first 11 teams now be wishing they had picked him?
Is there anyone closely after him that we wish we had instead?

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To be honest I have given up waiting for the big breakout game. It could still happen, but I'm not expecting it with every game like I had been.

Carlton definitely would have taken him with one of their two picks before us who were even bigger duds. GWS as well.

As for selections after him, the obvious one is Oscar Allen. Tim Kelly would have been nice but would have left us like he did Geelong. The rest are anywhere from a small/moderate upgrade (Bailey) to a total dud (Ling, who to be fair has copped a bad injury run)

If you were redoing the 2017 draft Fogarty would probably end up back end of 1st round

 

[Sanders]

I guess the two questions are:

Would any of the first 11 teams now be wishing they had picked him?
Is there anyone closely after him that we wish we had instead?

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To be honest I have given up waiting for the big breakout game. It could still happen, but I'm not expecting it with every game like I had been.

there aren’t many players selected ahead of him that I’d be too fussed over either