Mega Thread Dayne Beams trade (Its over, thread closed)

[the mighty T]

This is what will happen imo. He will get to Brisbane in the end. It'd be nice to have all these other clubs coming in with offers, but they also have to come up with $800K in their salary cap out of the blue. I doubt many, if any, are in the positioin to do this. And bugger this idea of us paying him to play elsewhere. Thats just stupid imo

The club has a history of getting players where they want to go. I don't see how this will be any different. If we end up with Pick 5, Greenwood and Varcoe for Beams, we have essentially answered our own questions. Decent pick with established players (not as good as Beams, but not many are). Thats my take. We'll see what happens

You may be right, but I have a feeling that the Brions will break and offer us a player. I cant imagine they'd be ridiculous enough to let this pass

 

[Kirby]

If we don't get a better offer from another club and the amateurs from Queensland backflip and offer us exactly what we asked for (or picks 5, 21 and 25 which we have been reported to have been satisfied with as an alternative) we will clearly trade him there. We would be idiotic not to.

I think the deadline means two things:

1. We will no longer negotiate with Brisbane. They know the price and they are welcome to put up or shut up.

2. We have, out of respect to Beams, been dealing only with Brisbane in an effort to get him to his favoured destination. That is now off. We will talk to anyone who is interested and agree a trade if an acceptable offer is made. It will then be up to Beams to decide if he is willing to go to that club.

Anyone who thinks we have closed the book on Brisbane and will not trade with them even if we get exactly what we want is clearly mistaken. However, if they don't do a backflip and we get a reasonable offer from elsewhere I am almost certain Connors would be advising his client to take the offer. He wants a payday just as much as Beams does.

Beams would have the choice of playing for 350k next year at a club where his coach and teammates know he doesn't want to be there, or for a lot more (maybe less than the 800k Brisbane is reportedly offering but still a lot) at a different club where he would be the star recruit, not the alienated Judas. He would know there is no guarantee of him getting to Brisbane next year and that if he gets seriously injured at any point throughout the year, he may have lost the only chance he will ever have to command that massive contract.

You absolutely nailed it with this post Boris.

 

[DaVe86]

If we don't get a better offer from another club and the amateurs from Queensland backflip and offer us exactly what we asked for (or picks 5, 21 and 25 which we have been reported to have been satisfied with as an alternative) we will clearly trade him there. We would be idiotic not to.

I think the deadline means two things:

1. We will no longer negotiate with Brisbane. They know the price and they are welcome to put up or shut up.

2. We have, out of respect to Beams, been dealing only with Brisbane in an effort to get him to his favoured destination. That is now off. We will talk to anyone who is interested and agree a trade if an acceptable offer is made. It will then be up to Beams to decide if he is willing to go to that club.

Anyone who thinks we have closed the book on Brisbane and will not trade with them even if we get exactly what we want is clearly mistaken. However, if they don't do a backflip and we get a reasonable offer from elsewhere I am almost certain Connors would be advising his client to take the offer. He wants a payday just as much as Beams does.

Beams would have the choice of playing for 350k next year at a club where his coach and teammates know he doesn't want to be there, or for a lot more (maybe less than the 800k Brisbane is reportedly offering but still a lot) at a different club where he would be the star recruit, not the alienated Judas. He would know there is no guarantee of him getting to Brisbane next year and that if he gets seriously injured at any point throughout the year, he may have lost the only chance he will ever have to command that massive contract.

Great post.

In the end, if beams is not open to going to other sides and Brisbane ups it's offer, then we will consider brisbanes offer. We would be mad not to.

From the sound of things, it got pretty close on Friday when we nearly got 5,21+25.

The deadline was as much about pressuring Brisbane as it was about closing negotiations off altogether. The only difference is we will now open Beams up to the open market. But Beams has to accept any trade so if he says no, then that option is off the table.

I am still putting my money on beams going to Brisbane tbh. I don't want him to go there, but I think they will make another play for him. It's not going to be for 5+25, but it sounds as if the sides are close, it's just the matter of giving us another pick to use for greenwood and still giving us another pick in the 20s.

Our demand is a senior player...and greenwood is that. We just need the sweetener. Surely Brisbane up their offer because they are close now

 

[danielnajdek]

We can just deal with Greenwood with North. Don't have to get Brisfail involved in it.

**** Brisfail I hope he goes anywhere else apart from there.

 

[gtrain23]

Need to sign levi as his gonna be needed for 2015

 

[Copeland]

Fortiu$ Quo Fideliu$

 

[orion21]

We can just deal with Greenwood with North. Don't have to get Brisfail involved in it.

**** Brisfail I hope he goes anywhere else apart from there.

We need to get a pick under 30 thou....north knocked pick 30 back

 

[Pedro]

If he stays at the Pies though he's paid (what?) $400K? Add 4 years at $800K and that's $3.6M over 5 years.
GC can get there with $720K over 5. Still a lot but maybe he takes $650K over 5 instead of having an uncomfortable year at the Pies? Maybe they offer him 6 years who knows? It could work.

That would be ideal for us, granted. Even $650K for 5 years is a lot to fit in when two weeks ago, it wasn't even a consideration. Clubs plan for these things a long way out. Only my opinion, but I can't see it happening

 

[DaVe86]

We can just deal with Greenwood with North. Don't have to get Brisfail involved in it.

**** Brisfail I hope he goes anywhere else apart from there.

How do we get greenwood without pick 25?

Pick 30 won't get it done and we are not going to trade anyone else on our list with afl experience.

The only way it gets done is if we ditch plans for varcoe and just switch lumumba to melb for pick 23 and on trade it for greenwood. I am happy to do this as I rate greenwood higher than varcoe, but it sounds like the varcoe deal is pretty much set in stone.

 

[danielnajdek]

We need to get a pick under 30 thou....north knocked pick 30 back

So just trade him to Brisfail so we can get pick 25? No thanks. Like I said screw them. They laughed thinking our deadline was just talk. **** them. Had enough of Leppo,Schwabo and Swanno. Bunch of flogs. Give them nothing Collingwood.

 

[Maggie5]

Nothing new to add, just want to keep the pages clicking over.
I think all views that I may hold have well and truly been covered. Just want this to be over.

 

[eddiebankbalance]

Brisbane are pathetic!

 

[Reykjavik]

Obviously you guys are not in a place where you are interested in being reasonable about this.

If it makes you feel good you can keep on hurling as much abuse as you want and argue vociferously against things I never said.

As has been my stance from the outset I hope all parties can come to a sensible, rational agreement that all sides agree is fair.

Have a good one guys.

Look you have to understand emotions are running high, so well reasoned discourse is going to be in short supply. That said, I think you will also find a far more tolerant approach here than you will on your own board; reflect on that if you will.

In response to what I have seen you saying, I generally agree with some of your points. To wit.

1) When this all started, I thought a deal would be done, that looked something like pick 5/exchange of second round/middle tier player. I still think something like that will end up happening. With a few caveats.

2) You are right I think in downplaying the likelihood of another club being able to come up with a deal. And wrong to suggest however that we would see it develop in the media first. On the first point, there are going to be a seriously limited number of clubs with that much cap space, and the resources to give up to get the deal done. Thats one reason the Tippett heist worked for example.

My simple rule of thumb in these situations is that people lie. All the time. Especially to the media. So I look for what people do, not what they say. What I've seen, suggests that we are or were keen on a deal, because after all the statements about needing established players, in the end, if you believe the reports, we were prepared to deal on picks alone. That tells me we were willing to deal, more than our public posture suggested. Which also suggests in spite of what we are syaing, making Beams stay is not a preferred option.

Now, the imponderables though, which will determine how this ends up.

- Is Beams even willing to consider somewhere other than Brisbane anyway?
- Do we really consider making Beams play out 2015 with us is a realistic option? i.e. is it even an option at all?
- How much has conduct by Brisbane made Collingwood willing to force the issue even if it causes problems?

There is a lot of speculation on all these, in the end nobody knows and until the final bell, we probably wont.

 

[danielnajdek]

How do we get greenwood without pick 25?

Pick 30 won't get it done and we are not going to trade anyone else on our list with afl experience.

The only way it gets done is if we ditch plans for varcoe and just switch lumumba to melb for pick 23 and on trade it for greenwood. I am happy to do this as I rate greenwood higher than varcoe, but it sounds like the varcoe deal is pretty much set in stone.

Harry&30 for Melbournes 23.

23 for Greenwood.

Varcoe is a dud.

Trade Beams to another club. Don't care who as long as he isn't at our club or Brisfail.

 

[Mame]

That would be ideal for us, granted. Even $650K for 5 years is a lot to fit in when two weeks ago, it wasn't even a consideration. Clubs plan for these things a long way out. Only my opinion, but I can't see it happening

True. But there's also the spin that the reason he's leaving is because of his father. Regardless, I really want to see GC come to the table with an acceptable trade for Collingwood so that Beams/Connors are forced to make a decision. Even if it is less money they would be exposed.

 

[76woodenspooners]

If we don't get a better offer from another club and the amateurs from Queensland backflip and offer us exactly what we asked for (or picks 5, 21 and 25 which we have been reported to have been satisfied with as an alternative) we will clearly trade him there. We would be idiotic not to.

I think the deadline means two things:

1. We will no longer negotiate with Brisbane. They know the price and they are welcome to put up or shut up.

2. We have, out of respect to Beams, been dealing only with Brisbane in an effort to get him to his favoured destination. That is now off. We will talk to anyone who is interested and agree a trade if an acceptable offer is made. It will then be up to Beams to decide if he is willing to go to that club.

Anyone who thinks we have closed the book on Brisbane and will not trade with them even if we get exactly what we want is clearly mistaken. However, if they don't do a backflip and we get a reasonable offer from elsewhere I am almost certain Connors would be advising his client to take the offer. He wants a payday just as much as Beams does.

Beams would have the choice of playing for 350k next year at a club where his coach and teammates know he doesn't want to be there, or for a lot more (maybe less than the 800k Brisbane is reportedly offering but still a lot) at a different club where he would be the star recruit, not the alienated Judas. He would know there is no guarantee of him getting to Brisbane next year and that if he gets seriously injured at any point throughout the year, he may have lost the only chance he will ever have to command that massive contract.

I respectfully disagree.

IMHO, in order Beams' camp to enter into negotiations with another club and entertain offers, they've got to believe that Collingwood are not bluffing.

And the best way to have someone to believe you're not bluffing is to not be bluffing.

This situation has been managed carefully so that Beams believes that his choices are to stay at Collingwood, or to be traded to another club that's not Brisbane.

And it's important that other clubs believe us - that we will seriously consider their offers and not just be boosting up Brisbane's offer.

 

[popin]

COULD WE BE SEEING SOMETHING LIKE THIS OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS GWS
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-14/shaw-set-to-be-a-giant
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-08/gws-deny-4mil-shaw-offer
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2013-10-14/heath-shaw-to-join-giants

 

[neilk]

You absolutely nailed it with this post Boris.

I thought Brisbane had committed pick 21 for Christiansen? If they give us 21 then they will likely lose Christiansen.

 

[Kappa]

Can someone tell me why we are going after Varcoe wtf

 

[gtrain23]

COULD WE BE SEEING SOMETHING LIKE THIS OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS GWS
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-14/shaw-set-to-be-a-giant
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-08/gws-deny-4mil-shaw-offer
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2013-10-14/heath-shaw-to-join-giants

Can only hope

 

[Subprime]

GWS had enough room in the cap to make a play for Buddy last year, if they slap a million a year in front of Beams it would be a difficult offer to refuse.

They would seem to be able to outbid anyone.

 

[Dylz48]

GWS had enough room in the cap to make a play for Buddy last year, if they slap a million a year in front of Beams it would be a difficult offer to refuse.

They would seem to be able to outbid anyone.

They then went out and spent on Mumford and Shaw plus they are going after Griffin doubt the Giants are a likely option.

 

[gtrain23]

They then went out and spent on Mumford and Shaw plus they are going after Griffin doubt the Giants are a likely option.

Maybe they will offer beams instead of griff

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

I respectfully disagree.

IMHO, in order Beams' camp to enter into negotiations with another club and entertain offers, they've got to believe that Collingwood are not bluffing.

And the best way to have someone to believe you're not bluffing is to not be bluffing.

This situation has been managed carefully so that Beams believes that his choices are to stay at Collingwood, or to be traded to another club that's not Brisbane.

And it's important that other clubs believe us - that we will seriously consider their offers and not just be boosting up Brisbane's offer.

I think you are looking at this the wrong way around.

It doesn't matter if we are bluffing. It only matters if Beams is bluffing. If another club opens trade negotiations with us it is because they have spoken to Connors and he has given a positive indication (under instructions from Beams) that Beams is open to a move. They will be wasting their time otherwise. The other club will not care if we were bluffing because as I said, the discussions won't happen unless Beams isn't bluffing and if that is the case, we will of course be open to trading him for a better offer than Brisbane were making.

If in the course of those separate discussions Brisbane cave in and offer us everything we asked for in the first place, we will probably accept and they will be the ones that capitulated, not us.

 

[Subprime]

They then went out and spent on Mumford and Shaw plus they are going after Griffin doubt the Giants are a likely option.

Time will tell but I can't see where they spend their cap.

They're a bottom 4 team with a COLA allowance and other advantages. I'd also imagine the initial signings would have been front-loaded.