Review Dees v Lions - the Good, Bad & very Fugly

[danster168]

The jaw-droppingly awesome: Jack Viney - I said earlier in the thread he’s like a rabid dog. Moreover, if you crossed one with an extremist fanatic. He’s absolutely savage when he goes to that level, reminiscent of West Coast 2017.

Good:
Dominated them in the contest, we won’t lose too many games if Viney, Petracca and Oliver get 100 disposals and 28 clearances between them.

Lever - he was terrific and played with authority rather than the O Mac type of stuff we’ve seen from him recently.

Quarters 2, 3 and 4 - 14.17.101 to 4.7.31

Jackson - intriguing ruck battle but he was excellent as a link in the chain when we moved it forward.

Weideman and Brown - I thought both of them competed well enough in the air to let our smalls go to work.

Hibberd - still our best small defender.

Brayshaw - flourishing at half back

Jordon - very good on the wing

Bedford and Spargo were good at ground level.

Harmes - excellent job on Neale.

Fritsch - for his finishing and hitting some bodies.

Bad
The first quarter - we looked s**t and were lucky to be that close at quarter time.

May - he is obviously key to our structure but I thought he had a pretty sloppy individual game.

Fritsch - redeemed himself late but some of his early cattery made me throw my shoe at the TV.

Accuracy - we left a bit out there with missed shots from good positions. A 64 point margin flattered them.

Fugly
My meltdown in the first.

Good call.

I almost spilled my cereal when I read that May was listed in the best players in the offical match report. he directly cost us 3 goals. As direct as you could ever see. That was 75% of Brisbane's score until 20 minutes into the 3rd quarter.

 

[Topkent]

Good call.

I almost spilled my cereal when I read that May was listed in the best players in the offical match report. he directly cost us 3 goals. As direct as you could ever see. That was 75% of Brisbane's score until 20 minutes into the 3rd quarter.

2 goals. The handball to Brayshaw was Levers fault for rushing the play and Gus having no awareness. No matter how many times you try and push your 3 narrative it's just plain wrong.

 

[Topkent]

Watched the game twice. From the second quarter to the last Ben Brown

50

Ben Brown

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

2.2

5star

D

7.9

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.6

1star

M

3.7

4star

T

0.9

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

got out marked in 8 one on one contests. 6 to Andrews, 1 to Adams and one to the other bloke.

Surprised people thought he played well, he was terrible. Bailey Fritsch wasn't out marked once, we literally have to stop kicking it on this guy's head he's one of the worst one on one forwards I've seen. Every kick to him should be 5m in front

 

[Topkent]

Jack Viney

7

Jack Viney

Age

30

Ht

179cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.1

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

12.6

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

5.7

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

21.8

5star

K

10.3

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

played one of the best games I've ever seen. Disposal numbers don't even matter, he impacted every contest in brutal fashion. It was incredible the way he willed himself through every contest breaking tackles. If he played at even close to that level more we'd be unstoppable because it leaves Trac and Oliver to do their thing

 

[Topkent]

Not being able to post it was kinda hilarious reading people especially one numpty thinking rotating key forwards was gonna fix anything. Our scoring came from 3 things being fixed. First was Levers dominance behind the ball which ment we could attack from the back, 2nd was the dominance of the midfield which gave us even numbers forward and third was fixing of our zone. Could see it even in the first quarter than we were slowing them down around our HFF and by the second quarter our pressure and work rate off the ball was too much for them. Still sloppy inside 50 but if our zone and work rate stays at that level we will crush a few teams on the way in.

 

[Topkent]

Thumbs up to Bedford as well, Spargo and ANB are more reliable off the ball and help with our forward zone but neither are natural forwards. Bedford more goal hungry, maybe we need that.

 

[Topkent]

Fritsch was awesome. Little selfish with the ball but he's gonna be a sore kid, he threw himself at everything in the air. The responsibility of being the main/ second big really suits him.

 

[Proper Gander]

Fritsch was awesome. Little selfish with the ball but he's gonna be a sore kid, he threw himself at everything in the air. The responsibility of being the main/ second big really suits him.

You having a little chat with yourself there, Kent?

 

[Deelighted]

Watched the game twice. From the second quarter to the last Ben Brown got out marked in 8 one on one contests. 6 to Andrews, 1 to Adams and one to the other bloke.

Surprised people thought he played well, he was terrible. Bailey Fritsch wasn't out marked once, we literally have to stop kicking it on this guy's head he's one of the worst one on one forwards I've seen. Every kick to him should be 5m in front

With you on Brown. Shockingly bad, outmarked constantly, no idea what others saw in that game. Feels like poor coaching that he's so often the long bail out option as he's not equipped for it at all, toast as soon as it's body on body. That said, at 200cm and limited mobility, he kind of needs to be able to hold his ground and split most of those contests or what's he bringing over another medium/small who can actually pressure and contribute in other ways.

 

[mrmonkey]

Will need to rewatch the game, watching the blues yesterday and would love to have a Curnow or McKay. They just get it in to those two who either mark it or get a free kick because opposition defenders panic. Talking about other games, Thursday/Friday nights are the best when you win, you can relax and watch the rest of the games.

 

[Johnny Karate]

Will need to rewatch the game, watching the blues yesterday and would love to have a Curnow or McKay. They just get it in to those two who either mark it or get a free kick because opposition defenders panic. Talking about other games, Thursday/Friday nights are the best when you win, you can relax and watch the rest of the games.

I think JT has been vindicated on Weideman over Curnow, though. Weed let off a ripper left handed handball in the last.

 

[Topkent]

You having a little chat with yourself there, Kent?

I'm not allowed to communicate with other posters now without getting banned

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

With you on Brown. Shockingly bad, outmarked constantly, no idea what others saw in that game. Feels like poor coaching that he's so often the long bail out option as he's not equipped for it at all, toast as soon as it's body on body. That said, at 200cm and limited mobility, he kind of needs to be able to hold his ground and split most of those contests or what's he bringing over another medium/small who can actually pressure and contribute in other ways.

I tend to not really even blame Brown, he is what he is and what he is is not a ‘kick the ball on his head’ type forward.

Blame the coaches and players for it being kicked to him that way.

He’s dangerous if he gets a run at the ball because it’s almost impossible to legally spoil him. Took a couple of nice grabs further up the ground in the first half.

 

[Proper Gander]

I'm not allowed to communicate with other posters now without getting banned

Uh huh

 

[Topkent]

I tend to not really even blame Brown, he is what he is and what he is is not a ‘kick the ball on his head’ type forward.

Blame the coaches and players for it being kicked to him that way.

He’s dangerous if he gets a run at the ball because it’s almost impossible to legally spoil him. Took a couple of nice grabs further up the ground in the first half.

Yeah none of our forwards are body forwards. Fritsch is our most dangerous in that situation maybe Tmac. Either way we need to start kicking the ball lower and flatter to Brown. Let him come at the ball. When he is stuck standing still he's apparently insanely easy to move off the ball

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Yea, hard to blame Brown, hes trying his best in a role that doesn't suit him at all. A worse person would have had a whinge by now but he doesn't.. or make excuses or throw his hands in the air at his teammates for the delivery etc, he's entitled to do so.

 

[ImissFrosty]

I think JT has been vindicated on Weideman over Curnow, though. Weed let off a ripper left handed handball in the last.

I'd like to see Curnow be a second ruck!!!

 

[Tempusfugit]

He played much better. He was involved a lot tonight which was good. But I reckon he got outmarked by Jack Payne 6 times and he was getting mauled at every contest. But he'll be told during the weak to get the ball to ground and that will help us.

They mauled Fritsch even more. Brisbane generally played with hubris and aggro tonight. The Demons stood up and won where it counted - the scoreboard, tough guy...

 

[Tempusfugit]

Langdon was in the AA team until about 5 weeks ago, still picked a fair way ahead of Jordon but Jordon has been solid and was great tonight. He’s not flashy but he doesn’t do a lot wrong and doesn’t try to do stuff outside his ability.

Langdon hasn't been the same since he got Covid. Not only that, he's been tagged and mauled because he is so good...

 

[danster168]

They mauled Fritsch even more. Brisbane generally played with hubris and aggro tonight. The Demons stood up and won where it counted - the scoreboard, tough guy...

not even more. less much less. Brown simply was a liability because whenever the ball went to him it'd be a turnover because he'd get outmarked. he shouldve been dropped 6 weeks ago but we're not spoiled for choice.

it's all well and good to say Brown provides a target but if he's getting outmarked most of the time he may as well run away from the ball.

 

[Daemon]

Langdon hasn't been the same since he got Covid. Not only that, he's been tagged and mauled because he is so good...

I'd say since he had concussion. Wondering if he still has lingering effects.

 

[Lampers]

I'd say since he had concussion. Wondering if he still has lingering effects.

Langdon’s concussion was over a year ago, and he had some big games this year prior to his rib injury.

I think it’s more likely his ribs aren’t truly fully healed, plus opposition are avoiding Langdon’s wing and/or putting more defensive effort into him.

Langdon’s quieter games have more or less conincided with Jordon having higher numbers. That suggests the ball is simply going down Jordon’s wing more often than Langdon’s.

 

[Topkent]

Langdon’s concussion was over a year ago, and he had some big games this year prior to his rib injury.

I think it’s more likely his ribs aren’t truly fully healed, plus opposition are avoiding Langdon’s wing and/or putting more defensive effort into him.

Langdon’s quieter games have more or less conincided with Jordon having higher numbers. That suggests the ball is simply going down Jordon’s wing more often than Langdon’s.

Completely agree. Very simple to see that Jordans impact has exploded while Langdon's is quiet. Teams are locked down on him so we are using the other side.

 

[danster168]

2 goals. The handball to Brayshaw was Levers fault for rushing the play and Gus having no awareness. No matter how many times you try and push your 3 narrative it's just plain wrong.

incorrect. Even the commentators said it was a stupid handball. It was loopy and slow and the wrong decision. Brayshaw was maybe 10% at fault but he was tackled immediately because of Mays stupid handball. I'll back me and the commentators over you.

 

[danster168]

You're actually a pathetic individual when you need to lie to back up a non existent point. Go re watch it because I have. They mention nothing about Mays handball, Lever takes a mark and then plays on with a rush of blood that puts under pressure.

But knowing you there will be no concession of wrong. You'll point out some irrelevant thing from a different time, mention how right you are and go back to patting yourself on the back infront of your mirror which takes up 90% of your day.

A rush of blood? that's ridiculous. He gives it to Salem who is completely on his own. Under no pressure whatsoever. Salem then slips on his right foot which invites the pressure. He gives it to May, who gives a handball to Brayshaw which is not only the wrong option (as he had a guy 50m in the clear if he had his head on swivel) but also is far too slow and loopy. Brayshaw is tackled, almost immediately. I think Brayshaw was about 10% to blame in this situation. I heard the commentators mention May's handball. It's not on Kayo though so when I find it, I'll link you.