Defending the Thug

[darthbards]

Could you possibly be any more "herald-sun" hysterical if you tried?

Bugg deliberately threw his fist out, yeah.

I don't believe Bugg was expecting his fist to land right on Mills's button (hypoglossal nerve).

This is a good post on a couple of fronts and the calling out of the hysteria to a worthy discussion is commendable.
Im not sure of Buggs intent but there is no way Houli meant to knock out Lamb. If we cut out the niggles and the off ball grabbing,we clean the game up overall. This is a good chance to address both issues,we should be taking it.

 

[Keyza]

Oh Ok. So you have no idea what was said nor whom said it.


Carry on.

Your point? So I guess the Saints apologised for nothing. Do players and coaches normally phone a player to apologise if nothing happened?

 

[The Gong]

The worst injuries I'm aware of are lost kidneys and spinal injuries as a result of fair contact.

And mental illness which is often triggered by pressure and bullying in some instances.


Back to my question: who has ever been killed in an AFL game by a punch to the head? You said they had, but I don't recall those instances.

I didn't say that. You've mixed me up with another poster.

 

[Freoforever86]

Carlisle didn't run 30m to have a go at a player on the ground.

He didn't run to the media squealing about "nasty" things said to him either.

Murphy is just another squib who can give it but can't take it.

"It's ok if St Kilda hit blokes but I'm outraged if anyone else does it" is basically what you've said.

Eye gouging is a filthy act. Whether he meant to or not, why put you fingers near someone's eyes? would you appreciate a poke to the eye?

And complaining Suban went to ground easy? Turn it up.

 

[Freoforever86]

Suban has been n the receiving end of a few nasty incidents. I wonder why that is?

He's been bitten by a filthy prick in Masten and eye gouged by Webster. If he's a campaigner, hit him, not resort to something a 3 year old knows not to do

 

[Keyza]

"It's ok if St Kilda hit blokes but I'm outraged if anyone else does it" is basically what you've said.

Eye gouging is a filthy act. Whether he meant to or not, why put you fingers near someone's eyes? would you appreciate a poke to the eye?

And complaining Suban went to ground easy? Turn it up.

Pretty much sums them up.

 

[JeffDunne]

It wasn't Murpny who ran squealing to the media.

No one knows exactly what was said, Caro said it was vile so she must have known what was said.

So how did Caro know?

Murphy ran straight to the media to justify his cowardly act of sledging a player on the ground.

He knew it wasn't a good look so he went the "he started it" defence.

I look forward to the next time we play the little shit.

 

[The Gong]

Amazingly (yeah right) two Sydney players are cleared after bumping players in the head when they had their head over the ball.

Both those incidents were far more likely to cause serious injury than the two St Kilda reports from yesterday's game (a thumb to the eye and a stomach punch). No surprises that the two "victims" were two protagonists that both took dives after each incident.

And you have the nerve to use AFL corporate speak like "duty of care". The MRP this week showed none.

That's your opinion which I believe is wrong. They were assessed and correctly cleared of wrongdoing. Facts are inconvenient things aren't they?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Maybe you should read it properly before replying to it then.

I don't agree with any of your premise that the AFL are supporting unsportsmanlike behaviour by sanctioning players who punch people. There is zero logic in what you've said. I don't think there was provocation and nothing can justify assaulting another player. Is that clear enough?

But you stated (I'm paraphrasing here) that players should just harden up and play through illegal tactics?

Why should the AFL allow illegal tactics?


The OP was never referring to plain old 'niggling'. It was clear it was referring to illegal tactics.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I am almost convinced that there are people in existence that prefer outrage to sex.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Your point? So I guess the Saints apologised for nothing. Do players and coaches normally phone a player to apologise if nothing happened?

Oh please.

You can't possibly be that naive?

 

[Keyza]

So how did Caro know?

Murphy ran straight to the media to justify his cowardly act of sledging a player on the ground.

He knew it wasn't a good look so he went the "he started it" defence.

I look forward to the next time we play the little shit.

Murphy did not go straight to the media. He released a statement a couple of days later after it had come out, which was pretty quickly.
What is Carlisle's defence? It was only Ballantyne and he deserved it?
I cant believe you cannot see the hypocrisy.
Pushing some one is much worse than verbally abusing someone. How can you not see it?

 

[JeffDunne]

And complaining Suban went to ground easy? Turn it up.

Who goes down like that after being poked in the eye? (assuming he even made contact with the eye)

 

[JeffDunne]

Murphy did not go straight to the media. He released a statement a couple of days later after it had come out, which was pretty quickly.

Bullshit.

The story was out before the game was over.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Maybe you should read it properly before replying to it then.

I don't agree with any of your premise that the AFL are supporting unsportsmanlike behaviour by sanctioning players who punch people.

??

That is not even close to my premise.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I didn't say that. You've mixed me up with another poster.

Yeah, I assumed it was you as you replied to my reply to the other dude.

 

[Freoforever86]

Who goes down like that after being poked in the eye? (assuming he even made contact with the eye)

I'm sure anyone would if they weren't expecting a fellow AFL peer to do such a thing. Troll.

 

[Keyza]

Oh please.

You can't possibly be that naive?

I have no idea what your point is.
I was comparing Carlisle pushing a player who was lying on the ground to verbal abuse. Apparently verbal is worse according to Saints supporters.
Alan Richardson said on TV that he contacted Murphy as did some players. Why I am naive?

 

[Aeglos]

Excuse me?

Who has died in the AFL from being punched in the head??

By that same token we should allow striking to the head because no one has died?
And there's been at least one local footballer that I can recall off the top of my head who has died due to a strike to the head during a game of football.

 

[JeffDunne]

I'm sure anyone would if they weren't expecting a fellow AFL peer to do such a thing. Troll.

You've been watching too many Freo games.

 

[Freoforever86]

You've been watching too many Freo games.

If it was reversed you would be outraged.

TBH I couldn't care less about Webster. He made a stupid mistake. But denying he did it or made contact is laughable

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I'm sure anyone would if they weren't expecting a fellow AFL peer to do such a thing. Troll.

I guess that's kind of my point in the OP.

In any other walk of life, if you illegally harass and assault someone for an hour - you surely would expect some retailation.

Not that long ago, the 'spirit of the game' allowed blokes to whack someone that deserved it, to a degree.

So not a lot of blokes did that illegal, cowardly niggly shit because they knew there'd be consequences.

Right now, there is zero consequence and they all know it. So these jibs run around 'niggling' and 'getting into' guys off the ball knowing that there's nothing the guy can do back to them.


I'm not saying the rules should allow them to retaliate necessarily, but moreso that the garbage guys like Suban dish up every week should be clamped down on.

It's basically bullying. Cowardly Bullying because they know guys like Jack Steven can not retaliate.

 

[Keyza]

Bullshit.

The story was out before the game was over.

It did?
Carlton players would have heard what was said, it was not Murphy who "ran" to the media.
First I knew of the incident was Saints supporters making up a story that Murphy spat at him.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Ballantyne, while not exactly injured he was clearly winded. I dare any of you to take a landing like that and get straight up without pausing to get your breath back.

 

[Keyza]

So how did Caro know?

Murphy ran straight to the media to justify his cowardly act of sledging a player on the ground.

He knew it wasn't a good look so he went the "he started it" defence.

I look forward to the next time we play the little shit.

So if sledging a player on the ground is cowardly what is physically pushing a player on the ground called?