Delisting 2008

[Ticktak]

The end of this year should be the hardiest to delist in years.

I know it's not the nicest thing to contemplate; young men losing their careers, but it's now part of the game.

So I would love to hear your opions.

Without a long term injury and no one having a terrible year, this is how I think it may pan out.

1 rookie to be promoted and 5 delistings so we have 4 picks in a strong draft.

Delisted would be: Shirely, Massie, Jericho, Doughty & Campbell.

 

[Deaneus!]

Unless he has an amazing year, McGregor may go too.

 

[James23]

honourable "retirements" in biglands and doughty. Also Burton if he doesnt get his body right.

jerico, shirley and hate to say it but possibly hentschel if his knee clearly cant handle the rigours of AFL.

 

[James23]

Unless he has an amazing year, McGregor may go too.

if im not mistaken, big kenny has a contract until the end of 2009

 

[Alex99]

It’s the 6th of January FFS anything can happen.

 

[Deaneus!]

James23 - really?! surprised now... i like him as a player, but he seemed to be out of favour and form during 2007 and as trade bait no one else seemed interested. We gave him a two year contract? Good luck to him then.

 

[James23]

^ yeh it seems a bit of a silly move considering his body seems to fail him at times. perhaps it was osteitis pubis and the club believes they can fix this.

however, in 2009 hopefully he would be a good back-up forward incase one of our guns in tippett and sellar go down

 

[Ticktak]

It’s the 6th of January FFS anything can happen.

Understand that. Always fun to have guess at things and then see who steps up. Have a crack.

 

[Ticktak]

Does anyone think Bassett might be in trouble if he gets a few injuries this year?

 

[macca23]

^ yeh it seems a bit of a silly move considering his body seems to fail him at times. perhaps it was osteitis pubis and the club believes they can fix this.

however, in 2009 hopefully he would be a good back-up forward incase one of our guns in tippett and sellar go down

Adelaide did sign him up for 2 years because, contrary to Rucci's erroneous reporting there were 2 clubs interested in Kenny, and it was Kenny looking around not Adelaide trying to get rid of Kenny.

He's had major achilles problems for the past two seasons which have slowed him down significantly.

However, touch wood, he doesn't have any achilles problems at the moment and by his own statement is moving the best he has for 2 to 3 years.

Let's hope he stays that way, because he's more than handy when right.

 

[Farmy]

I hope Campbell does well this year, I like him as a player.

As for who will be delisted, I'd say Doughty, Edwards, Bassett.

 

[Alex99]

Does anyone think Bassett might be in trouble if he gets a few injuries this year?

It’s extremely possible. What is his contract status?

 

[James23]

It’s extremely possible. What is his contract status?

contract until end of 08

 

[Farmy]

Actually, I'll miss Bassett's reactions to umpiring decisions, they are always hilarious.

 

[Alex99]

contract until end of 08

I guess it will result in one of 3 things.

1) A one year deal (I guess that inevitable now)
2) delisting if he get a long term injury
3) Leaves for another club.

He will be on single year deals from now on.

 

[Throughandthrough]

Which players turn 30 during the year?

 

[Vader]

Actually, I think there will be a LOT of players we will be looking to delist (or retire) at the end of 2008. Won't be terribly hard at all.

Jericho - Please, somebody, put him out of our misery. With most of our mediocre forwards (all ahead of him in the pecking order) gone, it's now or never for The Walls. My money is on never.

Doughty - To be honest, I would be VERY disappointed if we see him in Crows colours in 2008 - let alone 2009. If they're serious about the revolution/regeneration/choose your own "r" word, then his time end in 2008.

Biglands - An honorable retirement. Normally takes 12 months to recover from an ACL and a further 12 months to return to 100% capacity. Will be VERY disappointed if Maric, Griffin and possibly Tippett have not gone past him as preferred rucks by the end of 2008.

Bassett - One of the oldest players on our list. Seems to be struggling to recover from the ankle injury which kept him our for the second half of the season. In a pre-Christmas press release he was noted by Craig as being the only player not likely to be at 100% when they returned in the new year. When your ability to recover from injury starts to go, it's a sign that the end is approaching. Retirement.

Edwards - Showed signs of slowing down in 2007, but still did enough to finish 4th in the club championship. I expect the slowdown to continue, with Tyson spending more time in the forward line than the midfield. Will be quietly asked to retire at the end of the season.

Burton - The jumping jack had a shocker in 2007, largely marred by injury (should never have tried to play through it). Even so, there were signs that his athleticism is starting to desert him and he doesn't have the smarts to be a winner without it. Retire or delist.

Hentschel - Subject to his recovery from the knee injury. If he recovers well enough to justify his position on the list then I have no doubt he will be retained. If not, it's sayonara.

Gill - Was only given a 12 month contract, while McGregor got two years. This indicates to me that the club has some concerns about his longer term viability - my guess is because of his durability (or lack thereof) and wayward kicking. Should he miss much of the season through injury, or fail to improve his conversion rate, then it could be delisting time.

Massie - Likely to be in a similar position to Torney; delisted despite doing nothing wrong. Massie's problem is that he's a solid backboner, holding down a position which could easily be used to blood some of our youngsters. Would love to see him get to 100 games for the AFC to qualify for the F/S rule (this would require him to play on into 2009) or be traded (so as to ensure the continuation of his career), but I can't see any other team looking to take him off our hands. Delistee.

I consider Shirley likely to be retained - though I would expect him to depart at the end of 2009. Campbell would want to have a better 2008 than 2007, but with so many senior departures likely I doubt he'll be cut (though I wouldn't rule it out completely). There's usually one or two younger players who are judged unlikely to make the grade - Obst, Gibson & Pfeiffer being the most recent examples. Hard to predict them ahead of times though.

 

[Vader]

Which players turn 30 during the year?

Brett Burton is the only player to turn 30 this year.

Those who have already celebrated their 30th birthdays are:
Rhett Biglands
Tyson Edwards
Simon Goodwin
Nathan Bassett
Andrew McLeod

 

[Eastern Crow]

On Kenny, if he goes it probably will be a trade

IMO, Under pressure will be

Biglands, Jericho, Doughty, Shirley, Massie

Vince and Campbell will need some srtong performances to keep their spots on the list

 

[Port_GW]

Actually, I think there will be a LOT of players we will be looking to delist (or retire) at the end of 2008. Won't be terribly hard at all.

Jericho - Please, somebody, put him out of our misery. With most of our mediocre forwards (all ahead of him in the pecking order) gone, it's now or never for The Walls. My money is on never.

Doughty - To be honest, I would be VERY disappointed if we see him in Crows colours in 2008 - let alone 2009. If they're serious about the revolution/regeneration/choose your own "r" word, then his time end in 2008.

Biglands - An honorable retirement. Normally takes 12 months to recover from an ACL and a further 12 months to return to 100% capacity. Will be VERY disappointed if Maric, Griffin and possibly Tippett have not gone past him as preferred rucks by the end of 2008.

Bassett - One of the oldest players on our list. Seems to be struggling to recover from the ankle injury which kept him our for the second half of the season. In a pre-Christmas press release he was noted by Craig as being the only player not likely to be at 100% when they returned in the new year. When your ability to recover from injury starts to go, it's a sign that the end is approaching. Retirement.

Edwards - Showed signs of slowing down in 2007, but still did enough to finish 4th in the club championship. I expect the slowdown to continue, with Tyson spending more time in the forward line than the midfield. Will be quietly asked to retire at the end of the season.

Burton - The jumping jack had a shocker in 2007, largely marred by injury (should never have tried to play through it). Even so, there were signs that his athleticism is starting to desert him and he doesn't have the smarts to be a winner without it. Retire or delist.

Hentschel - Subject to his recovery from the knee injury. If he recovers well enough to justify his position on the list then I have no doubt he will be retained. If not, it's sayonara.

Gill - Was only given a 12 month contract, while McGregor got two years. This indicates to me that the club has some concerns about his longer term viability - my guess is because of his durability (or lack thereof) and wayward kicking. Should he miss much of the season through injury, or fail to improve his conversion rate, then it could be delisting time.

Massie - Likely to be in a similar position to Torney; delisted despite doing nothing wrong. Massie's problem is that he's a solid backboner, holding down a position which could easily be used to blood some of our youngsters. Would love to see him get to 100 games for the AFC to qualify for the F/S rule (this would require him to play on into 2009) or be traded (so as to ensure the continuation of his career), but I can't see any other team looking to take him off our hands. Delistee.

I doubt the Crows could have a big turnover of players 2 years in a row, so i think it will only be half the number of players at the most that you've listed there.

 

[Vader]

I doubt the Crows could have a big turnover of players 2 years in a row, so i think it will only be half the number of players at the most that you've listed there.

Possibly, but with Shirley, McLeod, Goodwin & McGregor likely to depart at the end of 2009, they still have a LOT of players to lose in 2 years.

Also worth remembering that 2008 is considered to be another "super draft" from what I've read on the drafting & trading board. This year we went long in a draft many considered to be shallow. I wouldn't be upset if we were to go long again in a stronger draft next year.

Once again, it's a symptom of the problems caused by Ayres' list mis-management that we have such a mass exodus in such a short time.

 

[Ticktak]

Biglands - An honorable retirement. Normally takes 12 months to recover from an ACL and a further 12 months to return to 100% capacity. Will be VERY disappointed if Maric, Griffin and possibly Tippett have not gone past him as preferred rucks by the end of 2008.

Vader, great post!

Personaly I think if Biglands has a reasonable year he will be around for another few years. He is not a lumbering ruckman and good big men are hard to come by. Even if he becomes our number 3 ruckman I think he still will stay on the list unless Maric and Griff have all Australian type years. Older ruckman ie. Lade & Everitt, can still play a huge part well into their 30's. It would be too risky to let go a big framed ruckman with our current list. Maybe if Hudson was still around, yes, but not now, not if he has a solid year.

Years end will be very interesting, again with many unlucky boys saying goodbye I'm sure.

 

[James23]

Biglands - An honorable retirement. Normally takes 12 months to recover from an ACL and a further 12 months to return to 100% capacity. Will be VERY disappointed if Maric, Griffin and possibly Tippett have not gone past him as preferred rucks by the end of 2008.

Vader, great post!

Personaly I think if Biglands has a reasonable year he will be around for another few years. He is not a lumbering ruckman and good big men are to come by. Even if he becomes our number 3 ruckman I think he still will stay on the list unless Maric and Griff have all Australian type years. Older ruckman ie. Lade & Everitt, can still play a huge part well into their 30's. It would be too risky to let go a big framed ruckman withour current list. Maybe if Hudson was still around, yes, but not now, not if he has a solid year.

Years end will be very interesting, again with many unlucky boys saying goodbye I'm sure.

i dont think that biglands can be classed as a good ruckman, i think he is a serviceable ruckman and he is getting on in age.. together with coming back from a major injury, i dont think his contract will be renewed.

 

[Vader]

Personaly I think if Biglands has a reasonable year he will be around for another few years. He is not a lumbering ruckman and good big men are to come by. Even if he becomes our number 3 ruckman I think he still will stay on the list unless Maric and Griff have all Australian type years. Older ruckman ie. Lade & Everitt, can still play a huge part well into their 30's. It would be too risky to let go a big framed ruckman withour current list. Maybe if Hudson was still around, yes, but not now, not if he has a solid year.

Years end will be very interesting, again with many unlucky boys saying goodbye I'm sure.

Lumbering ruckman is pretty much exactly what he IS.

Consider the statistics for the three ruckmen named, from 2004-2007 (relatively recent form, not dependent upon glory years) :

Biglands
games: 59
kicks: 306 (avg 5.2 per game)
handballs: 180 (3 per game)
marks: 158 (2.7 per game)
hitouts: 864 (14.6)
tackles: 118 (2)
goals: 35 (0.6)

Lade
games: 95
kicks: 776 (8.2)
handballs: 422 (4.4)
marks: 540 (5.7)
hitouts: 1641 (17.3)
tackles: 137 (1.4)
goals: 88 (0.93)

Everitt
games: 81
kicks: 756 (9.3)
handballs: 343 (4.2)
marks: 373 (4.6)
hitouts: 1898 (23.4)
tackles: 132 (1.6)
goals: 65 (0.8)

Biglands averages 8 disposals per game, Lade & Everitt 12 & 13. Lade takes twice as many marks as Biglands, Everitt 55% more. Everitt averages almost twice as many hitouts, Lade 18% more.

If Biglands WERE in the same class as Lade & Everitt, then I'd agree with having him hang around for as long as possible. Problem is, he's NOT. He's a good, solid ruckman - no more, no less. There really isn't any justification for retaining him until he reaches pension age - especially when you consider how many youngsters we now have who are capable of playing in the ruck (Maric, Griffin, Tippett, Moran - and even Sellar at a pinch). 2008 will be long enough , beyond that his services simply won't be required.

 

[macca23]

Possibly, but with Shirley, McLeod, Goodwin & McGregor likely to depart at the end of 2009, they still have a LOT of players to lose in 2 years.

Also worth remembering that 2008 is considered to be another "super draft" from what I've read on the drafting & trading board. This year we went long in a draft many considered to be shallow. I wouldn't be upset if we were to go long again in a stronger draft next year.

Once again, it's a symptom of the problems caused by Ayres' list mis-management that we have such a mass exodus in such a short time.

Nothing wrong with your logic or reasoning but 9 delistees in one year after 10 changes in 2007 just seems too many.

Maybe 6 to 7 would be more like it IMO - but I'm not sure of who would make that number up apart from Jericho, Doughty and Massie.

What further complicates it though is that we have all these known delistees in the next 2 years, without making any allowance for failures amongst those drafted in 2006 and 2007.

Gary Ayres really did bugger up the list management side of things!!