Play Nice Derailed, (The Place to Continue Off-Topic Discussion)

[Cyclops]

Maybe you could do benefit from a welfare check yourself?

You mightn't have seen it, but any objective reading of his footy career achievements puts him firmly in the champion category, as nebulous as that might be.

It's a very loose criteria that makes Jim Stynes a champion footballer.

For me it's Carey, Lockett, Brereton, Ablett Snr. Dusty a champion finals player, maybe Judd WCE era.

I'll rate me seeing footy over a list of awards.

Apparently he had a good year in 1991, and then won some more b&fs in a middling to cellar dwelling Dees side.

I won't argue he was a good footballer (its incredible how he adapted to our game), and his story is amazing. Not a champion, but a champion bloke.

O'Dwyer wasn't superior and only played 84 games for Melbourne.

ODwyer was first ruck until he got injured and went to Richmond. Wiki says in the 1988 GF Danny Hughes was first ruck.

 

[sideswipe]

It's a very loose criteria that makes Jim Stynes a champion footballer.

For me it's Carey, Lockett, Brereton, Ablett Snr. Dusty a champion finals player, maybe Judd WCE era.

I'll rate me seeing footy over a list of awards.

Apparently he had a good year in 1991, and then won some more b&fs in a middling to cellar dwelling Dees side.

I won't argue he was a good footballer (its incredible how he adapted to our game), and his story is amazing. Not a champion, but a champion bloke.


ODwyer was first ruck until he got injured and went to Richmond. Wiki says in the 1988 GF Danny Hughes was first ruck.

Don't try to narrow the field now. This was your initial position. Just own the fact it was completely inaccurate.

"Very over rated as a player for mine, a good fit player but never the best player in the league, or even at Melbourne really."

 

[mocamagic]

It's a very loose criteria that makes Jim Stynes a champion footballer.

For me it's Carey, Lockett, Brereton, Ablett Snr. Dusty a champion finals player, maybe Judd WCE era.

I'll rate me seeing footy over a list of awards.

Apparently he had a good year in 1991, and then won some more b&fs in a middling to cellar dwelling Dees side.

I won't argue he was a good footballer (its incredible how he adapted to our game), and his story is amazing. Not a champion, but a champion bloke.


ODwyer was first ruck until he got injured and went to Richmond. Wiki says in the 1988 GF Danny Hughes was first ruck.

I was at the 1988 GF. As a surprise tactic, John Northey rucked Hughes at the opening bounce. It lasted 5 minutes.
Wiki gives the starting positions only.

 

[Cyclops]

I just had a look at the stats to refresh my memory.
Hughes credited with 2 hitouts only. Stynes and Dear 12 each.
I used to stand every year at the GF. I was glad Melbourne got thumped.

2 Hitouts? So you're probably right just a cameo.

That 1988 Hawthorn side was fearsome. I didn't like Northey's tactics, and guys like Grinter and Hughes made me sick, so i was happy for the Hawks (I like them a bit less now, especially Kennett).

I got lucky in 1990, Bay 38 standing room.

 

[Cyclops]

Don't try to narrow the field now. This was your initial position. Just own the fact it was completely inaccurate.

"Very over rated as a player for mine, a good fit player but never the best player in the league, or even at Melbourne really."

Absolutely stand by what I said, and the evidence of my own eyes. I encourage you to watch more footy, its enjoyable and you find out things.

 

[sideswipe]

Absolutely stand by what I said, and the evidence of my own eyes. I encourage you to watch more footy, its enjoyable and you find out things.

Well, I gave you the objective evidence of the AFLPA as a collective.

The "evidence" of your own eyes is objectively flawed. But you do you. I am sure the Northern Suburbs are better for your presence.

 

[Cyclops]

Well, I gave you the objective evidence of the AFLPA as a collective.

The "evidence" of your own eyes is objectively flawed. But you do you. I am sure the Northern Suburbs are better for your presence.

You have an objectively broad definition of a champion: by your measure Andrew Brayshaw and Russell Greene are champions.

If you're happy with that I'm happy for you, but you'll understand more footy by watching than browsing the internet.

 

[sideswipe]

You have an objectively broad definition of a champion: by your measure Andrew Brayshaw and Russell Greene are champions.

If you're happy with that I'm happy for you, but you'll understand more footy by watching than browsing the internet.

That wasn't evidence of the nebulous champion category. It was evidence that your assertion that Stynes was "never the best player in the league" was objectively wrong. The combined Brownlow/MVP win is unassailable evidence.

You like that watching footy line. Maybe you do watch lots of footy. Maybe your watching skills are flawed. You are certainly providing evidence to support that possibility.

 

[Cyclops]

That wasn't evidence of the nebulous champion category. It was evidence that your assertion that Stynes was "never the best player in the league" was objectively wrong. The combined Brownlow/MVP win is unassailable evidence.

You like that watching footy line. Maybe you do watch lots of footy. Maybe your watching skills are flawed. You are certainly providing evidence to support that possibility.

Well that's a fair point, I thought you were using the AFLMVP to establish the nebulous champion status so I apologise for misconstruing your point.

I still disagree you've presented anything like objective evidence. For a start the AFLPA is for most valuable, not best.

I think players are like punters and can get swept up in a nice story. I think that's what Stynes good performance in 1991 was: a nice story about a beaut bloke. valuable sure, a very fit ruck, but not the best player. maybe he was the most valuable, given ODwyer got injured and he carried the ruck bravely and competently?

Likewise the Brownlow is for "fairest and best", but lets not kid ourselves its any sort of objective measure of best, its usually a thereabout medal at best, in years when it isn't a joke.

From memory Plugger was better that year (and every year they played in the league together), there was an awesome West Coast side bristling with talent, guys like Matera etc. although they fell in the GF they were the best side with many of the best players all year. If we think hard we can probably come up with 10 better players than Stynes in 1991 if you're interested in discussion.

 

[sideswipe]

Well that's a fair point, I thought you were using the AFLMVP to establish the nebulous champion status so I apologise for misconstruing your point.

I still disagree you've presented anything like objective evidence. For a start the AFLPA is for most valuable, not best.

I think players are like punters and can get swept up in a nice story. I think that's what Stynes good performance in 1991 was: a nice story about a beaut bloke. valuable sure, a very fit ruck, but not the best player. maybe he was the most valuable, given ODwyer got injured and he carried the ruck bravely and competently?

Likewise the Brownlow is for "fairest and best", but lets not kid ourselves its any sort of objective measure of best, its usually a thereabout medal at best, in years when it isn't a joke.

From memory Plugger was better that year (and every year they played in the league together), there was an awesome West Coast side bristling with talent, guys like Matera etc. although they fell in the GF they were the best side with many of the best players all year. If we think hard we can probably come up with 10 better players than Stynes in 1991 if you're interested in discussion.

Let's leave it there. Your self-proclaimed I Watch Lots has gotten a bit tiresome.

 

[Finnishpie]

Sure, have a bex and a lie down.

I saw Stynes in the 1988 Grand Final. I saw him play Collingwood perhaps a dozen times and I was not impressed by anything other than his handballing. I'm told he was durable so I guess he didn't get worse in the course of a game, but he never displayed champion skill or athleticism.

A nice man sure, a very fit player who adapted brilliantly to be competent in many areas of our game and a lovely story, and goodness knows Melbourne needed a good story in the 90's.

Champion bloke? Sure. Champion player? Never saw that.

Can you get me some bex?

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

I think I am being adversely affected by bullshit.

Why are you the way that you are

 

[Cyclops]

Let's leave it there. Your self-proclaimed I Watch Lots has gotten a bit tiresome.

Sorry to be tiresome, your "objective truths" are quite stimulating.

Thought of another (well truth be told i googled the 1991 Brownlow dont say i dont listen to you).

Craig Turley nearly won the Brownlow, even though he had lots of talented blokes taking votes off him (unlike Stynes). You'd say he might be the best player in 1991.

It's a worthwhile exercise, talking it over.

 

[Cyclops]

Can you get me some bex?

Whisky man myself. Sorry to be boring, I've gone right off topic.

I hope Crisp takes this record, its an Impressive feat.

 

[sideswipe]

Why are you the way that you are

If you have to ask, you'll never understand. Let's just say a lifetime of pursuing Jaguar Sharks can leave you with a pretty jaded outlook on what's outside of the ocean.

 

[Finnishpie]

Whisky man myself. Sorry to be boring, I've gone right off topic.

I hope Crisp takes this record, its an Impressive feat.

If he does, you deserve a whiskey ... with a bex....

What are Bexes anyway?

 

[Cyclops]

If he does, you deserve a whiskey ... with a bex....

What are Bexes anyway?

Old headache pill

 

[Phil Inn]

Can I have a spliff instead of the Bex?

 

[gouki88]

Old headache pill

A cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down - Australian Pharmacist

In Australia, APCs such as Bex, Vincent’s and Veganin were the most widely used with the marketing phrase “A cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down” becoming a common slang expression.

www.australianpharmacist.com.au

 

[leon123]

A cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down - Australian Pharmacist

In Australia, APCs such as Bex, Vincent’s and Veganin were the most widely used with the marketing phrase “A cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down” becoming a common slang expression.

www.australianpharmacist.com.au

not good for the kidneys

 

[gouki88]

not good for the kidneys

Not at all! Lots of medical consequences down the line