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What ever happened to Lilac Hill? That would be perfect for Shield matches.
Design Ideas for new Perth Stadium
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What ever happened to Lilac Hill? That would be perfect for Shield matches.
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Where would Midland-Guildford play?
Whole reason for Shield cricket is to develop future test stars, which is why it's played at test venues. Playing it at a suburban ground defeats the only purpose of the competition. If the entire WACA is uprooted and moved to the new stadium then Shield comes with it, which is something that the new stadium management wouldnt want.
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Purely hypothetically, because there are real ICC regulations that rule it out....
If the WACA were to surrender their lease and move, they'd need to move into the Burswood precinct, a couple of hundred metres from the stadium. That way they play under very similar circumstances, and also the same ground staff that look after the wickets also prepare the drop-in pitches that go into the stadium. Something like the "community oval" on the master plan.
BUT - Purely hypothetically, because there are real ICC regulations that rule it out....
If the WACA were to surrender their lease and move, they'd need to move into the Burswood precinct, a couple of hundred metres from the stadium. That way they play under very similar circumstances, and also the same ground staff that look after the wickets also prepare the drop-in pitches that go into the stadium. Something like the "community oval" on the master plan.
BUT - Purely hypothetically, because there are real ICC regulations that rule it out....
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Ah right-o. Had no idea Midland played there.
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Can't you recreate the WACA pitch at the new burswood stadium?
Imagine if these princesses worked the real world.
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Won't be long until the other Tests around the country start at 2:00 ESST anyway.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/dec/14/waca-perth-international-cricket
Aus v afghanistan and no knockout games in the wc and no test next year. CA/nine mightn't think its as important as you think it is.
No drop in pitch will ever properly recreate an inground made pitch. Like you can come close, and grounds where the pitches are usually roads like Adelaide Oval and Melbourne you wont see much difference. But the WACA is one of the most unique pitches in the world. You'd lose that with a drop in, no doubt.
Lucky ODIs are already played at night and prime time in the east. I'm talking about Tests you muppet.
Yep don't want to end up with a rubbish wicket like they have at the AO and the MCG.
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Adelaide Oval rubbish wicket?
AO wicket was pretty much the same as FOR EVER. If you're implying that changing it to a drop-in made it rubbish, I think you're very wrong. It's always been a road. It still is, and give it a couple of years evidence so far says as it get more time under the roller it will be exactly the road it's always been.
Nice insult but learn to read.
NO TEST AGAINST INDIA IN 14/15. If the WACA was important it would have one, if 9 really needed it it would have one. 9 dont care, cricket on the east coast gives them a lead in to the news.
Also its tiny. Gabba 42000, Adelaide 55000, Sydney 48000, Melbourne 100000. All pretty comfortable with decent public facilties. Perth 23000 with facilties that are health threatening. Mmmm. CA are sure to be happy with that. Half the capacity leaves a lot of cash on the table too.
The WACA is well short of the mark and they dont have the money to do anything about it. The WA govt are v unlikely to throw in money for a place that is used a few days a year esp given they are spending a huge sum on burswood.
People in adelaide were very unsure of AO, now they're wondering why it didnt happen earlier.
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I know it's wishful thinking to expect the WACA to make good decisions.
That's because there hasn't been enough pressure brought to bear.
They don't own the land 100% at all.
So what. It's in sport's interest to get the best possible deal.
It's also in cricket's interest's to get the best possible deal wrt the future.
There is no problem with cricket having another boutique ground other than the WACA.
The reality is that cricket is at the WACA and we one day might see a top stadium at Burswood
but don't say there couldn't have been better outcomes.
9 wanted the Gabba to miss out next year, but CA decided on Perth. It's a one off though due to the WC and every year from next it'll be either 5 or 6 tests with Hobart getting one. Until the year 2020 Perth is guaranteed a test, and keep in mind CA dont decide the test venues. CA give the state cricket organisations the games, and it's the states decision where to play the games. Also capacity is almost irrelevant if you dont get enough people through the gates to break even. Gabba for instance might be 42000, but Queensland cricket need 25000 to come through the gates to break even. Outside of an Ashes they dont get that. South Africa in 2012 got 25000 day 1 and significantly less the rest of the days, and the test against NZ in 2011 didnt break 15000 on any day. As the WACA own their own ground they don't have that problem. Melbourne and Sydney are the out-liners where they get significant number of people through the gates due to 'tradition'. Elsewhere a ground capacity of ~30000 is more than enough for test cricket.
There is more to grounds, especially cricket grounds, than capacity.
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Really???
I would give my left nut to live in East Perth!!
I am lucky enough to live in East Perth just off the cove. To live its great.
The WACA is on the other side of East Perth and for a sporting ground its too far from bars, restaurants and the train. Pretty handy if you want to be locked up for the night though.
The ground is also built on infill which is sinking. The school and the WACA are falling back below the river level.
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they don't make grass like they use to!
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I've got an old map of Perth's original river line and the WACA isn't built on fill, but low lying area that was in the flood zone. Trinity college certainly was in the river though.
Riverside project will change the lack of bars, restaurants ect..., it's really only just started with Queens precinct which will have QII starting soon by Frasers, with the Chem Labs the last site in that little area to be redeveloped. The East Perth lockup is heritage listed but the site as a heap of space that will be developed. The Waterbank precinct by lend lease should start in 2014 and will be the focal point for the area. Point Fraser is getting a boardwalk area with restaurants and will be a nice remote spot not far away. You still have the car park site which will be redeveloped in time and all that government owned land on the other side of plain street. It will take time but this all has positive effect on areas further to the west.
Even without anything at the WACA or Gloucester Park that's a lot of land to bring in residents, guests and businesses. Which will bring in more amenities and services.
The thing that the WACA really needs is light rail spine to be built out to Vic Park sooner rather than later.
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ahh thanks re the fill and agree re the light rail.
Trinity was first built where the new BHP redevelopment is but when the city of Perth wanted to make StGeorges a three lane road they has to reclaim the school grounds.
In lieu, the grounds behind the WACA were gifted.
I am starting to get interested in Perth's early days given all the redevelopment in the last 10 years.
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The WACA has a lot of potential. There's some nice shots of parkland and tree foliage hanging over the hill, and that's the way I like looking at cricket. The MCG is too huge for the cricket. Adelaide Oval has lost a bit of soul (and I think everyone on here knows I was a huge fan of the design – it's just charmless for cricket now. Too big).
Honestly, you don't need more than what's there now. You can keep it looking nice and rebuild 70% of the facilities – who cares if one stand is neglected – just give it a makeover and don't make it an embarrassment for Perth.
And who cares if the cricket isn't at the new ground? The new stadium's going to sit 60,000 and have actual leg room and findable toilets. That wouldn't have changed whether or not cricket was on board.
Honestly, you don't need more than what's there now. You can keep it looking nice and rebuild 70% of the facilities – who cares if one stand is neglected – just give it a makeover and don't make it an embarrassment for Perth.
And who cares if the cricket isn't at the new ground? The new stadium's going to sit 60,000 and have actual leg room and findable toilets. That wouldn't have changed whether or not cricket was on board.
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Could it be possible for the feds Nit throw in some bucks?
Good enough for the other states.
Not a new stadium or anything, maybe some scaffold shading for the barmy army and some second hand fridges for the jounos??
Good enough for the other states.
Not a new stadium or anything, maybe some scaffold shading for the barmy army and some second hand fridges for the jounos??
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