List Mgmt. DFA targets

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The only two players that I like the look of are Adcock and Harper. I think Adcock could add quite a bit to a young list, but I don't think we are interested and will back our young players. I think North liked Harper quite a bit, so I can only imagine he was delisted because his body wasn't up to it. I think ultimately we're going to the national draft to fill our remaining list spots.
 

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I'm fine with Hine taking a punt on Golds - given that there is zero risk involved with him being a DFA I see no harm in giving a kid who has all of the physical attributes another crack at it.
 
partypie said:
I'm fine with Hine taking a punt on Golds - given that there is zero risk involved with him being a DFA I see no harm in giving a kid who has all of the physical attributes another crack at it.
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The idea of picking up a player like Golds for "free" is fine, it might even work out very nicely for us. However, I just don't see that there is "zero risk involved" - he would be taking a senior list spot, meaning we'd have one less pick in the National Draft than is currently planned. Hine has a proven record of snaring gems with lower picks, every less pick he has reduces the chances of him snaring another such gem.

Meanwhile, Golds has a proven record of achieving nothing after 5 seasons at GWS, despite being well rated at the time he was recruited and appearing to have plenty of good attributes.
 
35Daicos said:
The idea of picking up a player like Golds for "free" is fine, it might even work out very nicely for us. However, I just don't see that there is "zero risk involved" - he would be taking a senior list spot, meaning we'd have one less pick in the National Draft than is currently planned. Hine has a proven record of snaring gems with lower picks, every less pick he has reduces the chances of him snaring another such gem.

Meanwhile, Golds has a proven record of achieving nothing after 5 seasons at GWS, despite being well rated at the time he was recruited and appearing to have plenty of good attributes.
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Could be a rookie spot, plus just because he is training with us doesn't mean we will pick him up
 
Baltimore Jack said:
Could be a rookie spot, plus just because he is training with us doesn't mean we will pick him up
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Yes, for sure. I'm not really having a go at anyone in particular here, but I'm just bemused that as soon as a player is linked with us (even if they've shown bugger all) so many people come out and say "let's just get him, he'll cost us nothing etc!"
 
35Daicos said:
The idea of picking up a player like Golds for "free" is fine, it might even work out very nicely for us. However, I just don't see that there is "zero risk involved" - he would be taking a senior list spot, meaning we'd have one less pick in the National Draft than is currently planned.
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Don't know where you got that idea from - we can have up to 40 guys on the senior list. Right now we have 35 including Frost but there's nothing stopping us from going up to 39 with 5 cat A rookies.

Hine has a proven record of snaring gems with lower picks, every less pick he has reduces the chances of him snaring another such gem.
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You're making a base assumption that Golds may not be such a gem - I don't know if he is or isn't either, but considering Hine is making the decision I think I'd be happy to trust his judgement on the matter.

Meanwhile, Golds has a proven record of achieving nothing after 5 seasons at GWS, despite being well rated at the time he was recruited and appearing to have plenty of good attributes.
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It's only been 4 seasons but I don't necessarily disagree with you there - having said that though GWS has also been a unique (and in a lot of ways much tougher) environment for a kid to develop and push his way into the senior squad because they were literally pretty much all kids (with a large number of them being very high draft picks).

We're all guilty at times of falling in love with kids who force their way in at AFL level in their first couple of seasons, but the reality is that it's not uncommon for a kid to only just be starting to push through in a normal environment with a proper support system and experienced players there to take them under their wings behind them around Golds age, so I'm not surprised to see so many kids fall by the wayside at the GWS when to a large degree they didn't really have that sort of system in place.

Hine and the coaching and fitness staff will be doing their due diligence on Golds so if they decide he's a likely type then I'm fine having him take up a list spot.
 
partypie said:
Don't know where you got that idea from - we can have up to 40 guys on the senior list. Right now we have 35 including Frost but there's nothing stopping us from going up to 39 with 5 cat A rookies.



You're making a base assumption that Golds may not be such a gem - I don't know if he is or isn't either, but considering Hine is making the decision I think I'd be happy to trust his judgement on the matter.



It's only been 4 seasons but I don't necessarily disagree with you there - having said that though GWS has also been a unique (and in a lot of ways much tougher) environment for a kid to develop and push his way into the senior squad because they were literally pretty much all kids (with a large number of them being very high draft picks).

We're all guilty at times of falling in love with kids who force their way in at AFL level in their first couple of seasons, but the reality is that it's not uncommon for a kid to only just be starting to push through in a normal environment with a proper support system and experienced players there to take them under their wings behind them around Golds age, so I'm not surprised to see so many kids fall by the wayside at the GWS when to a large degree they didn't really have that sort of system in place.

Hine and the coaching and fitness staff will be doing their due diligence on Golds so if they decide he's a likely type then I'm fine having him take up a list spot.
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I'm always happy to trust Hine's judgment. His record is a very good one. He has already indicated recently that we are very likely to pick up 3 players in the ND, giving us a 38-6 list, seemingly ruling out the possibility of adding a DFA to the main list.

Of course there are examples of players who have previously shown little who move to another club and become successful players. Maybe Golds may turn out to be such a player. I just don't want to see us grabbing the first player who comes along and handing him a list spot, when it does mean one less pick in the draft.

As with Treloar, Golds joined GWS a year before they came into the AFL and should have been there in 2011 (I presume playing NEAFL?), so that's why I've counted it as 5 seasons at the club.
 
Baltimore Jack said:
Could be a rookie spot, plus just because he is training with us doesn't mean we will pick him up
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True but we never really have prospects train with us
 

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Golds is still under contract for 2016, I know they had to get their list numbers down, but it seems strange that they would delist him having only re-signed him a year ago.
 
TradeDraft said:
True but we never really have prospects train with us
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I agree Dave it is unusual for us. Maybe we are undecided and want to see what he might bring to the training track before making a call on picking him up.

Can't recall seeing Collingwood listed too many times when the permission to train lists come out. Always thought it was
Hine and Co not wanting to show their hand. Change of tact here then.
 
From Colin Wilsbey:

Nice height athlete. Is significantly outside yet doesn't get much ball, is too often where the ball ain't and, despite the published disposal efficiency stat(s), is definitely a long way short of being a reliable kick.

Athlete rather than footballer IMO.

I'd rather more focus on clever *footballers* who are good *kicks*.
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Vinnie Vegas said:
Tony Armstrong used it very well in the VFL and AFL too - Ball use wasn't his issue.
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Not the point of my post. Last time said TA used it well in the NEAFL Dave siad the NEAFL was too weak a league...
 

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