Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Biometric data of William Tyrrell.

I know most members find this tedious but I think it's important to show you because it helps either confirm the Iconic photos of WT were correct for his age or they were taken at a much earlier date.

Because we have multiple photos of WT to compare to the iconic photos, we can examine them to see whether his body and head and arms are in the same proportions. They should be.

In the iconic photos (plural) his head is much larger than other photos in proportion to his body and arms. It's not even close. This essentially more evidence the iconic photos of WT were taken at a much younger age. Essentially his body and arms have not grown yet compared to this photo. He is measurably older in this image.
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I haven't included his arms here but they are similar.

A difference this big cannot be explained by photography or him being a little hunched over. The iconic photos are taken a long time prior.

When you hunch down when seated two things happen. The head drops and back arches.. it also is more difficult to create an accurate line measurement. These things CAN influence the math of your conclusions. I don't think you can get a scientific measure to advance conclusions. No matter how many times you say so if the testing process is flawed then the results are too.

I have zero confidence in your results.. From purely observation point of view in the roar shot his face appears to be of an older child. That's my take

Put an upright standing child side by side in the same shot at the same point of observation you might get somewhere. We don't have that and never will

 

[Lady O]

It's quite likely that William and L both had developmental challenges. Almost all children who go into care do. Is it really relevant? William is the victim here.

It could be relevant.

If his behaviour was such that he was a danger to himself or others, he would have most likely required more attention and supervision as he got older, thus the reason FM was asking for more hours at day care.

If he was seen to have behaviour that was getting worse not better (and I think that was what was happening), he may also have had a lifelong impairment. Not too many people would choose to have a child with a mental impairment and in the case of the fosters, they had this choice. Perhaps they were having second thoughts about adopting WT?

 

[Lady O]

Lady O, there is two different threads, one is the patio flowers that support different times photos were taken.
Two the explosive thread from the pod cast that has stunned me I don’t know about others .
That is why there is random posts.

With regards to the patio flowers, I don't think they were taken at different times. Simply that they are different flowers on the house side to the lawn side.

The flowers with WT in the background of the "roar" photo have always looked like phlox to me. FGF was involved in the Garden Club and although the house isn't exactly a show garden, I expect they planted some flowers, even if their age meant that had to happen in elevated tubs.

The flowers in Michelle White's photo on the lawn side look like petunias to me. They are similar and could have been planted together. They also do tend to pop up randomly for years after you have grown them, so they may be from a previous planting. I see that these taller flowers are on the side of the garden tub that get direct sunlight.

 

[Wallace52]

It's quite likely that William and L both had developmental challenges. Almost all children who go into care do. Is it really relevant? William is the victim here.

And his birth mother is not a suspect and she’s not facing any charges over William at all.

 

[Lady O]

There is only one tub though. Are claiming there are two different tubs?

They are similar and could have been planted together. They also do tend to pop up randomly for years after you have grown them, so they may be from a previous planting. I see that these taller flowers are on the side of the garden tub that get direct sunlight.

 

[Lady O]

It does not change that much in 24 hours. The other flowers from the iconic photo are not even visible.

So the ones that look like phlox are on the house side and are shorter than the petunias, therefore you can only see a glimpse of the taller petunias on the "roar photo". Where as, when you look at the photos from the lawn side, the petunias are taller and you cannot see the phlox at all.

 

[Poppy Penny]

You’re right, there’s never mention of William’s bio parents.
IMO this has given FM a sense of ownership over William, ‘my little boy.’

Agree completely. ‘My little boy’ …This angers me whenever I hear it.
She has total disrespect for biological family, shows no compassion or empathy. She always makes it about her.

 

[js47]

Fosters duty of care finished when William disappeared and when L was removed.
I think fosters could possibly love the little ones deeply but they were fostered chikdren.
The foster mother’s statement that she possibly loved William more than a bio parent I take offence to that.

 

[js47]

Once again William spent 2 years and say 8 months with FM. She went to work and he went to day care.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

So the ones that look like phlox are on the house side and are shorter than the petunias, therefore you can only see a glimpse of the taller petunias on the "roar photo". Where as, when you look at the photos from the lawn side, the petunias are taller and you cannot see the phlox at all.

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This is the sort of problem I see. If you are trying to establish a comparison of respective heights between front and back of planter you HAVE to draw a line that sits at peak of tallest front flower and parallel to the planter edge. Then anything observed above that line is higher flowers at the back. The problem is though our point of observation is from below meaning you will never be able to effectively gauge height of back plants.

That doesn't stop you . You just draw a line that is geometrically wrong on the angle of your choosing which proves nothing AGAIN!!!! Ok it seems like there may be higher plants but who knows

 

[peasantbruh69]

Biometric data of William Tyrrell.

I know most members find this tedious but I think it's important to show you because it helps either confirm the Iconic photos of WT were correct for his age or they were taken at a much earlier date.

Because we have multiple photos of WT to compare to the iconic photos, we can examine them to see whether his body and head and arms are in the same proportions. They should be.

In the iconic photos (plural) his head is much larger than other photos in proportion to his body and arms. It's not even close. This essentially more evidence the iconic photos of WT were taken at a much younger age. Essentially his body and arms have not grown yet compared to this photo. He is measurably older in this image.
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I haven't included his arms here but they are similar.

A difference this big cannot be explained by photography or him being a little hunched over. The iconic photos are taken a long time prior.

I don't believe body measurements and ratios derived from a photograph, are in any way usable to compare against other photographs, and draw any meaningful conclusions regarding how old William is in each.

There are simply far too many factors affecting the accuracy of each individual measurement. Angle of camera, distance from camera, angle of body, position of body, human error in measuring, determining where on the photograph to start/end a measurement, and so on.

 

[Lady O]

In the following photo you notice that the planter box is closer to the stairs and has been moved anticlockwise so that the house side is now closest to you. You can tell this for two reasons there is a straight white line shining off the top of the box from a sun reflection. On the box is a black mark which is the shadow of the verandah post. I know you have dismissed this before but I urge you to sit down with a mud map of the verandah and the shadows in this photo to verify what I am saying. Its just not possible without moving the box.

So you should be able to see those deep purple flowers on the house side despite being partly obscured by the verandah post, because they are now closest to you. The other side of the box has a Colemans logo.

Photo?

 

[Wallace52]

Foster system maybe not what FM expected. Bio parents are still allowed a relationship with the child.
Be interesting to know if visits still occurred with FD and bio Mum from this time.

AFAIK She + Young Hope cut off the visitation for William’s sister for a very long time after William went missing.

I don’t know how she managed that, but she did.

The foster mum talks in interviews about L being an “only child” after William went missing. Like oh she has to now learn to live as an only child. Which is absolutely insane because she has biological siblings the whole time - she just wasn’t allowed to see them.

Who would do that to a child?

 

[Poppy Penny]

She cut off the visitation for William’s sister for a very long time after William went missing.

I don’t know how she managed that, but she did.

The foster mum talks in interviews about L being an “only child” after William went missing. Like oh she has to now learn to live as an only child. Which is absolutely insane because she has biological siblings the whole time - she just wasn’t allowed to see them.

Who would do that to a child?

I never knew she cut off visitation for LT for a long time. Trouble with FM, she put HER needs over the needs of the children. What a selfish, entitled piece of work.

 

[js47]

She cut off the visitation for William’s sister for a very long time after William went missing.

I don’t know how she managed that, but she did.

The foster mum talks in interviews about L being an “only child” after William went missing. Like oh she has to now learn to live as an only child. Which is absolutely insane because she has biological siblings the whole time - she just wasn’t allowed to see them.

Who would do that to a child?

Didn’t they foster heaps of other children plus isn’t the fact there was
Another child in the family and L was upset about it?
WHO? stoped access to bios for L
I am livid at that information. Well it didn’t work did it?

 

[Underarrest_]

She cut off the visitation for William’s sister for a very long time after William went missing.

I don’t know how she managed that, but she did.

The foster mum talks in interviews about L being an “only child” after William went missing. Like oh she has to now learn to live as an only child. Which is absolutely insane because she has biological siblings the whole time - she just wasn’t allowed to see them.

Who would do that to a child?

I didn’t know this. Good question, how did she manage this?

 

[js47]

Everything FM says is copy cut and paste.
It’s time she sits down as a mother who loved William more than any one else loved their child and walk a straight path.

 

[Wallace52]

Another child in the family and L was upset about it?
WHO? stoped access to bios for L
I am livid at that information. Well it didn’t work did it?

No, it didn’t seem to work out very well.

 

[Wallace52]

Everything FM says is copy cut and paste.
It’s time she sits down as a mother who loved William more than any one else loved their child and walk a straight path.

No one is saying she didn’t love him.
You can’t put together a brief for not loving someone. It’s not a crime to not love your foster child.

The police aren’t saying she didn’t love him. They are saying, yeah as you said, do the right thing for William.

They’ve said many times they know what she’s done. I believe them.

If she has done something, she should be honest about what has happened.

 

[js47]

It seems FM has had help with statements and when she needs to insert something into her narrative she just copies cut and pastes.
I don’t think she has an original thought about William in her repertoire.
I think she has a hide to say the police haven’t done anything on 5 years.
Neither has she, FM could have answered vital questions 10 years ago.

 

[Underarrest_]

No one is saying she didn’t love him.
You can’t put together a brief for not loving someone. It’s not a crime to not love your foster child.

The police aren’t saying she didn’t love him. They are saying, yeah as you said, do the right thing for William.

They’ve said many times they know what she’s done. I believe them.

If she has done something, she should be honest about what has happened.

This is just my personal opinion (not against yours) but I don’t think if there was an accident (whether it was a simple accident or the result of escalating violent behaviour) and FM did, as in her own words, dump ‘his little body’ that she did love him.
Especially not to go on a 10 year campaign giving some hope for William when she knows what happened to him and where he is.
I know I couldn’t think of one reason not to give a child a proper goodbye and there would be only one reason for it if guilty, self preservation.
I don’t think there’s any hope that if guilty, she will tell where he is because her own needs are above William’s and anyone who knows him. That’s not love.
I think the police know this and already have a psychological profile of what sort of person who would do this, (if she has done this.)

 

[Awakening]

It’s been said on here before but I will say it again. I hope L successfully sues the fosters, the agencies and the government.

 

[Wallace52]

This is just my personal opinion (not against yours) but I don’t think if there was an accident (whether it was a simple accident or the result of escalating violent behaviour) and FM did, as in her own words, dump ‘his little body’ that she did love him.
Especially not to go on a 10 year campaign giving some hope for William when she knows what happened to him and where he is.
I know I couldn’t think of one reason not to give a child a proper goodbye and there would be only one reason for it if guilty, self preservation.
I don’t think there’s any hope that if guilty, she will tell where he is because her own needs are above William’s and anyone who knows him. That’s not love.
I think the police know this and already have a psychological profile of what sort of person who would do this, (if she has done this.)

You’re right. You’re completely right.

 

[Wallace52]

It’s been said on here before but I will say it again. I hope L successfully sues the fosters, the agencies and the government.

Me too.

Let’s pretend she’s getting ready to sue FACS, Michelle White, the fosters and the NSW Gov, then episode 2 of the Witness podcasts will give her lawyers some great copy. Especially that bit about the worker who took William from the bio family and gave him to the hospital and then the fosters to care for him, saying himself that they knew that the Tyrrell family were “sh**” and “ordinary.” That worker sounded more unprofessional than what I had even expected a worker to behave or speak like.

Like that’s any reason to take the children.

Imagine if all of the sh* and ordinary parents just got their kids taken from them, never to be returned. Sh* and ordinary should not be the threshold for removal.

That person was so abhorrent to listen to and but that interview gave a great insight into what I view as the sheer senselessness of L and William’s placement into out of home care. IMO

It’s a whole new stolen generation, and white or black, it still needs to be acknowledged.

Imagine what William’s sister has been through, losing her brother and having to stay with the carers who lost him.

If L never went into care, her life may not have ended up being such a nightmare. She will never get her childhood back.

I hope if she does sue receives a bucket-load of money but most of all the acknowledgment that the wrong decisions were made.

 

[Awakening]

Me too.

Let’s pretend she’s getting ready to sue FACS, Michelle White, the fosters and the NSW Gov, then episode 2 of the Witness podcasts will give her lawyers some great copy. Especially that bit about the worker who took William from the bio family and gave him to the hospital and then the fosters to care for him, saying himself that they knew that the Tyrrell family were “sh**” and “ordinary.” That worker sounded more unprofessional than what I had even expected a worker to behave or speak like.

Like that’s any reason to take the children.

Imagine if all of the sh* and ordinary parents just got their kids taken from them, never to be returned. Sh* and ordinary should not be the threshold for removal.

That person was so abhorrent to listen to and but that interview gave a great insight into what I view as the sheer senselessness of L and William’s placement into out of home care. IMO

It’s a whole new stolen generation, and white or black, it still needs to be acknowledged.

Imagine what William’s sister has been through, losing her brother and having to stay with the carers who lost him.

If L never went into care, her life may not have ended up being such a nightmare. She will never get her childhood back.

What price would you put on 11 years of your life, gone? She was 11 or 12 I think when the fosters had all of their foster children taken off them.

I hope if she does sue she’ll get a bucket-load of money but most of all the acknowledgment that the wrong decisions were made.

It makes me so ****ing angry