Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[js47]

If William was at the house or near by. Then the time of the photos do not really matter, the games, the breakfast doesn’t matter, the drive to meet the FF would make sense.
…”and this is where it happened”.
The patio. I think the same lack of control may have happened on that day.

 

[31550]

That's why they are called opportunistic abductions, the opportunity arises & they act.

In this case the opportunity presented itself in minutes, at the end of a dead end street, at a private residence. That doesn't fit the MO of an opportunistic abductor. They usually scout a location or locations which are public, and where there is a high probability of accessing a suitable victim. Why pick a private house where no children live at the end of a quiet street at 10am on a Friday? That's like winning Tattslotto with a single game ticket on your first attempt.

 

[passball]

Worse than water torture! Total w***er.

It was. The sneeze and dropping the tissue 'WOOPS'.
He was very much taking the guy to that side of and away from the house.

 

[alwaysintrigued]

I don't expect her to get her times precise. I do expect her to have one consistent narrative rather than several, and to be reasonably aware of the sequence of events. E.g was the drive before FF came home or after? Before she saw Anne Marie or after?

Anne Marie dropped her kids at the bus stop on foot in the morning, meaning she walked down and up Benaroon. The cars would have been right in front of her for a couple of minutes while she walked back home. But she didn't see them. Also said at some point that cars parked there would be very unusual as all the houses had driveways which visitors could park in. So it's remarkable that she wouldn't notice 2 cars parked unusually right near her own house.

Again we have someone undermining a neutral witness and challenging their credibility yet defending the FM. Why?

FM said she saw the cars @07:30. Anne Maree walked some of her kids to the bus stop @ 08:10, saw no cars ( I suggest cars had left ) She drove another child to to pre-school @ 08:40. She reversed out & saw no cars at that time either.

Detective Beacroft made a point to say that Anne Maree was not outside to see the cars before 08:10.

I'm not undermining anyone, just point out the fact she had not been outside to see the alleged cars that the FM said she saw @ 07:30, hence the cars cannot 100% be ruled out as not being there!

If you think that's defending the FM than that's your assumption.

 

[31550]

BBM : Kitchen bench near the house phone.

How do you know that?

 

[31550]

FM said she saw the cars @07:30. Anne Maree walked some of her kids to the bus stop @ 08:10, saw no cars ( I suggest cars had left ) She drove another child to to pre-school @ 08:40. She reversed out & saw no cars at that time either.

Detective Beacroft made a point to say that Anne Maree was not outside to see the cars before 08:10.

I'm not undermining anyone, just point out the fact she had not been outside to see the alleged cars that the FM said she saw @ 07:30, hence the cars cannot 100% be ruled out as not being there!

If you think that's defending the FM than that's your assumption.

If the cars were gone at 8.40 then of what relevance are they anyway? William was alive and well at 9.37. Whether they were there or not earlier depends on whether you believe FM or Anne Maree.
Since FM did not originally recall the cars, but Anne Maree is positive she dropped her kids off, I am more inclined to believe Anne Maree that she would have seen them if they were there at that time. FM is more likely to have been mistaken about the cars or the time IMO because she is also confused about where and when other things happened. Whereas Anne Maree knows exactly where she was and when. That's my view.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

His name has never been released publicly, it was said in court ( I know it ) & I think it may be suppressed / NFP

BBM : It seems people here choose to believe what they want when it suits their narrative, & discard what doesn't.

ie yesterday you wanted to discard the time line that has been posted here by another member from another forum, now today it seems you are happy to accept the Crabb's part?

Your quote - "Really not much point posting another posters timeline from ages ago." Post # 6761

BBM # 1 But you do expect that the FM was expected to be watching the clock?, ok for others but seems not for her> Again suits your narrative.

BBM # 2 Detective Laura Beacroft who did so much work on all the cars , said that Anne Maree said she saw no cars @ 07:30, but Detective Beacroft also said Anne Maree did not come out of the house until 08:10 on the 12/9/2014. So just because she did not see them , does not mean they were not there

Just to be clear the times that the Crabbs heard the cars were :

Mr Crabb 09:40 - 09:45

Mrs Crabb 10:10 - 10:15

Difference in their times is 30mins

They got home @ 09:30 - 09:35


BBM : William & his sister had long term care orders in place ie until 18yrs old

The FF left @ 08:55 ( just found this in my notes , stated by Detective Laura Beacroft @ the inquest ) .

Arrived in Lakewood @ approx 09:15

Meeting went for 39 minutes ( client in QLD ) , in which he received a voice message @09:45, he called this person back after his meeting while he was at the pharmacy waiting for his script ( script filled @ 10:18 )


So as not to be identified / seen maybe?

That's why they are called opportunistic abductions, the opportunity arises & they act.

I'd be interesting to know what William's sister said about this & I'm sure she would have been asked at some time. The Coroner would know.

Paul savage said it at the inquest in his testimony. Again, Anne Maree had not been out of her house to see the cars @ 07:30.

Omg that was one MASSIVE point scoring attempt to 31550 and apparently 'us' here.

The only comment I make is regarding opportunistic abductors. YES they get their name for a reason.....because they TAKE opportunity. The fallacy is that they must both be opportunistic predator but there must also exist AN opportunity. Perhaps you should look at the traffic analysis posted by Stormbird ages ago which tells you exactly how many cars come into the street or more accurately DON'T in a 1 hr morning period.. It's very fair to characterise it as only residents or those needing to come there. That designation has even been confirmed by the FPs themselves several times ( a rare occasion they weren't pushing an abduction hoax). That being the case you can pretty much guarantee that the 5 min time (assuming it wasn't a lie) in the timescale encompassing that morning AND when W was likely 70 metres away from the street presented NO opportunity. Cars heard/ seen also tells you that. Either you don't understand this situation or you choose to ignore it to have a chance to point score. Either way I loose interest. The probability that a predator just happened to be in the street at the exact time W was unattended and close to road is well in excess of 1,000,000 to 1. You can quantify if you try. I confidently say it didn't happen..

 

[Underarrest_]

In this case the opportunity presented itself in minutes, at the end of a dead end street, at a private residence. That doesn't fit the MO of an opportunistic abductor. They usually scout a location or locations which are public, and where there is a high probability of accessing a suitable victim. Why pick a private house where no children live at the end of a quiet street at 10am on a Friday? That's like winning Tattslotto with a single game ticket on your first attempt.

Opportunistic means that.
Sees an opportunity and acts on it. Not planned or seeked out.
Example turning onto Elendale st, sees child at end of slope so drives further up instead of turning into Elendale, asks William if he’s seen a puppy, William comes closer, put in car, car drives away.

 

[31550]

Opportunistic means that.
Sees an opportunity and acts on it. Not planned or seeked out.
Example turning onto Elendale st, sees child at end of slope so drives further up instead of turning into Elendale, asks William if he’s seen a puppy, William comes closer, put in car, car drives away.

You left out the scrambled eggs toast and orange juice and that everyone was happy.

 

[Kurve]

0oo

Perhaps it’s because the other site is mainly controlled by the Foster Clique.

Yes, well the fosters PR firm Insight employed several Social Media Monitors for some time, who knows how effective they were in steering public discussion? And if they're still active across socials.

 

[Underarrest_]

You left out the scrambled eggs toast and orange juice and that everyone was happy.

You left out weetbix

 

[31550]

Yes, well the fosters PR firm Insight employed several Social Media Monitors for some time, who knows how effective they were in steering public discussion? And if they're still active across socials.

Suggest you look a little closer at the recent conversations in this thread Kurve

 

[LRitz]

I'm a bit confused.
Was the FF at Lakewood or Lake Cathie?
He mentions both and there is a Woolies and Khodarys at both.
I thought he said Lake Cathie first, where he had his meeting.

Just a question. If any one knows.

Where is the statement about Lake Cathie by FF. Is it a statement to police or is it an interview with journalists? Is it a voice recording or written. It is hard to keep up with all these references.

Lake Cathie is about 20 km away. FF is familiar with the area. How could he get this mixed up?Why would he drive further when there is Lake wood closer. Are we sure he said "Cathie" ???

Lake Cathie is pronounced like "cat - eye".

(I had a friend who visited there for many years over summery holidays. She always called in Lake "Cathy". Until after years a kind local set her straight. )

 

[31550]

It was said recently at the inquest

It was said as in someone suggested it casually, or someone swore to it under oath?

 

[alwaysintrigued]

It was said as in someone suggested it casually, or someone swore to it under oath?

Swore under oath actually

 

[31550]

Swore under oath actually

If you had said all that in the first place including who swore it, it might have saved some time and effort. Thank you.

The FM said under oath at the inquest that the keys were xxxxxx

It's far more informative and then we all know it's not just something you heard from someone or read in a forum or one of Dan Box's podcasts.

 

[LRitz]

A plastic type tarp?

Yes it could be

I have watched the FF walkthrough numerous times today and I would like to apologise for the cuddly remark, should have said built.

forgiven

Perhaps it’s because the other site is mainly controlled by the Foster Clique.

that explains it

That was just my word after listening to him saying he was in Cubs, Scouts, Venturers, going bush on bike rides,

understandable

If the cars were gone at 8.40 then of what relevance are they anyway?

Good question

Yes, well the fosters PR firm Insight employed several Social Media Monitors for some time, who knows how effective...

can we find out

 

[LRitz]

BBM # 1 But you do expect that the FM was expected to be watching the clock?, ok for others but seems not for her> Again suits your narrative.

FM said FF was allegedly running late. How did she know this. either she looked at clock or FF told her he was running late. Or she made it up.
Why add this specific information to her narrative.

FM called Spedding at 9:03. My opinion is that she would have checked the time before she made this call. IMO, 9:00 is start of business hours. Any call before this time would have raised red flags. Happy that every one else disagrees . No need to reply.

 

[alwaysintrigued]

If you had said all that in the first place including who swore it, it might have saved some time and effort. Thank you.

The FM said under oath at the inquest that the keys were xxxxxx

It's far more informative and then we all know it's not just something you heard from someone or read in a forum or one of Dan Box's podcasts.

Noted. But past experience has shown me that my posts are apparently not read anyway or remembered.

Seems nothing is good enough here, don't know why I bother sometimes, but I believe in justice & presenting the facts known to me & to help others who may / do not know these.

Sorry to waist your time & effort, I guess searching for stuff I have already posted / supplied & than being asked to supply it again, doesn't at all waist my time of effort. Got it.

The thank you is appreciated, rare around here. I acknowledge some posters are grateful

 

[passball]

Usually it is minutes, by logic has to be really.

Can you say for certain that no one other than the FF & FGM knew that there were kids there that morning??

I think it's reasonable for other posters to look at other scenarios other than the evil FM / FF /FGM.

I like to keep an open mind.

I've seen & heard no concrete evidence to support the current police theory, but have heard lots of other evidence to support other theories.

It was said recently at the inquest

I feel like you are aggressively defending the FPS, I have a niggling feeling.
Your sort of attacks are pretty much why I stopped reading the other site btw.
I don't think you are open as you say you are.
I'm open as in who I think are involved but I'm not attacking anyone who thinks differently, I'm putting out what could be a different scenario, because as they say it could be the smallest detail that matters. But realistically what I say or think isn't going to matter, its a discussion.

Jubelin thought Spedding was involved.
Jubelin thought Paul Savage was involved.
Jubelin thought Heather Savage was involved.
And nothing has come of it.
So me personally putting my 2cents in shouldn't be a problem.

Posters in here are working out between themselves different scenarios with what they have.
There is a good mix of opinions. A lot of them are quite smart and I'm amazed at their knowledge. They don't know what goes on behind what the public is allowed to see so give them a break.
You maybe want to mute me.

 

[Poppy Penny]

Yes, well the fosters PR firm Insight employed several Social Media Monitors for some time, who knows how effective they were in steering public discussion? And if they're still active across socials.

They sure are!

 

[Wallace52]

Watched the FF walkthrough and full respect for the other guy staying calm listening to that BS.
Never considered the FF involvement until yesterday.

It is pretty bad, isn’t it. I think one angle (and this is the angle that I take) is that it’s actually possible that the FF has an ingrained hatred of police and authority figures and doesn’t like being told what to do, so it could be that he was just pissed off at being “made to do” a police walk-through.

It was certainly a very weird, charade-like performance. IMO.
I don’t know why he was so coy on the volume of the way he shouted “William”…..it doesn’t achieve anything, does it.

Yes, well the fosters PR firm Insight employed several Social Media Monitors for some time, who knows how effective they were in steering public discussion? And if they're still active across socials.

Oh they did what? And who paid for their salaries? The Where’s William cash cow: The Australian public?

I don’t think they have media monitors at all anymore, but what think they might have pre-set moderator settings on their Facebook group page, which means that certain words or names that members might post, like maybe the names of the foster family or of their relatives or even words like swear words or maybe even words like “murder” are prevented from ever making to the publishing stage.

I had a group once on flower cutting and I was the mod and I recall you could put in any words you wanted to in the pre-moderator settings and any post on the wall or comment on the wall with a key word in it from the list that I made didn’t get published. You would be surprised if you knew how political and cut-throat the FIA (flower industry of Australia) can get!

The advantage of this pre-moderation is that someone might make a comment at 3:00am and if it is inappropriate, you don’t need to be around to delete it….

Regarding Insight and the Where’s William group page; they used to have 3 people managing/moderating the Where’s William page and now they have 4 people.

They are all located within Australia. A current screen shot is attached.

Where's William Tyrrell? Bring Him Home - Official

Where's William Tyrrell? Bring Him Home - Official. 107,952 likes · 18 talking about this. 12 of September 2014 was the tragic day William Tyrrell was abducted. Please Like and Share h

www.facebook.com

 

[Wallace52]

Episode 7 is a banger.***

Loving it.




** According to Urban Dictionary: "If a Song is extremely [sic] tight or just unbelievably [sic] awesome. It is a banger."

 

[Wallace52]

Suggest you look a little closer at the recent conversations in this thread Kurve

Can hand on heart say I have no affiliation with Insight or Alice and/or Clare Collins.

 

[Wallace52]

can we find out

No. You’ll never get an answer to that. Everyone has and will come under scrutiny but Insight will never. They’re Teflon.