Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[js47]

Anything to do with William’s sister and what she saw would be dealt with in Closed Court at the inquest; if at all.

We wouldn’t be privy to it, and neither would the media.

Amen to that! Poor kid she has gone through enough she does not need everyone discussing what she did and did not see or do especially friends.

 

[js47]

He bugged them.

Who did the editing

 

[alwaysintrigued]

How far could he get on foot in a few hours? IMO he's going to be travelling at 2kmh at best but much slower in bush, and would be very tired after under an hour at which time he'd give up. So he could never have gotten 2km away from the house.
Even that is a 12 square km search zone - too big to be covered by a handful of dogs.
If you extend it to a 5km radius and assume he was taken in a short car trip and dumped, then we are talking about 78 square kilometres - just impossible to search thoroughly.

Paraphrased, probably paywalled for some

The forensic search in 2018 covered a 3km radius & went for 4 weeks

It was thorough. Covered every inch of a 3sqkm area from 48 Benaroon Drive.

Search dogs & police officers were fitted with GPS devices to meticulously map the ground covered.

This was spoken about at the inquest, with maps shown etc.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/fourweek-search-for-missing-boy-begins-with-50-officers-going-over-dense-bushland-area/news-story/a9b6936128861d5584153cac992aac86?amp

New lead as second William Tyrrell search finishes

Detectives searching for William Tyrrell have uncovered new information as they wrap up a targeted search of bushland near the NSW mid-north coast town of Kendall.

www.sbs.com.au

Published 29 June 2018

Search teams and cadaver dogs will now return to the main, larger search area near William's grandmother's home from where the toddler disappeared in September 2014.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/podcasts/nowhere-child-new-documents-released-at-inquest-into-william-tyrrells-disappearance/news-story/c4e0c3dc68babcd4cfb8e493dbf29862?amp

Maps in link , paywalled.

 

[js47]

Why do you keep saying virgin bush? Maybe it was slutty bush?

Awakening it is not virgin bush this area has been logged for hundred plus years they even had a train go up into the bush. Not the Brisbane to Sydney.

 

[Underarrest_]

I think it would have been different.
For one, FF would not have left to go do a work call the next day (Saturday).
The FM wouldn't have had to look after the kids by herself with her mum watching/judging.

Yes of course, but does seem strange, the sudden rush to be there on Thursday when FF had work to do Friday morning and notifying FGM on the way up instead of arranging it with FGM first.

 

[passball]

With the talk of foxes.

I'm just going to put it out there, DINGOES.

I've just gone back 44 years.

 

[31550]

Paraphrased, probably paywalled for some

The forensic search in 2018 covered a 3km radius & went for 4 weeks

It was thorough. Covered every inch of a 3sqkm area from 48 Benaroon Drive.

Search dogs & police officers were fitted with GPS devices to meticulously map the ground covered.

This was spoken about at the inquest, with maps shown etc.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/fourweek-search-for-missing-boy-begins-with-50-officers-going-over-dense-bushland-area/news-story/a9b6936128861d5584153cac992aac86?amp

New lead as second William Tyrrell search finishes

Detectives searching for William Tyrrell have uncovered new information as they wrap up a targeted search of bushland near the NSW mid-north coast town of Kendall.

www.sbs.com.au

Published 29 June 2018

Search teams and cadaver dogs will now return to the main, larger search area near William's grandmother's home from where the toddler disappeared in September 2014.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/podcasts/nowhere-child-new-documents-released-at-inquest-into-william-tyrrells-disappearance/news-story/c4e0c3dc68babcd4cfb8e493dbf29862?amp

Maps in link , paywalled.

A 3km radius seems more than adequate to locate a small 3YO boy with asthma on foot.
If he got there on his own steam they would have found him.

But in a car he could have been moved well outside this radius in a matter of minutes.

And then he would never be found.

 

[js47]

I imagine that as it gets darker and your foster kids bedtime passes and he hasn’t been found yet, that you could quite easily experience a panic attack.

I am wondering if the FM actually remembered enough to tell FF all of the things she had forgotten? Wonder if FF had a vision of William at the house?

 

[jason_recliner]

More than one fox perhaps.

Yes, perhaps a pack of foxes banded together and carried his body away!!!

 

[jason_recliner]

Jubes is in black and FM in orange…. At the recent inquest hearings.

Perhaps Jubelin isn't privy to any evidence against the foster parents that SFR has collected.

 

[Awakening]

It would be interesting to hear from someone local who is familiar with foxes there.

July to October is breeding season so they would have likely been more active during the time he went missing, and possibly with more mouths to feed.

Would depend how many family groups/dens in that area as to how quick his remains could have been removed.

Could happen in 1 to 3 days before the searchers got to that area.

 

[jason_recliner]

GJ is an utter idiot imo. Planting a listening device and determining guit or innocence entirely on the back of what's said is useless..All it does is prove what they said when you listened not what they did. Either that or it proves the person was wise to him. 500% GJ....Cinderella. Look it up.. black eyes. Falling off a chair, hitting his head and couldn't hear....or my favourite....bouncing out of his skull..Shake my head..

Perhaps, as he's an experienced homicide detective, bugging them wasn't the entire extent of his investigation into them.

 

[alwaysintrigued]

What time was Peter on BCR? Seems a very simple basic question. Surely he passed the Tennis Club CCTV?
Surely between himself and Michelle they would have some idea of time? Was his phone on and pinging? Did he call anyone? Purchase anything? SFR have had years to check this out. What was the time????

Yes he did, I have provided the times back in this thread.

 

[alwaysintrigued]

Amen to that! Poor kid she has gone through enough she does not need everyone discussing what she did and did not see or do especially friends.

BBM : Isn't that what is happening here?

 

[passball]

Perhaps Jubelin isn't privy to any evidence against the foster parents that SFR has collected.

Mmmmm, The Tapes?????
Didn't make him feel slightly uneasy?
Was Jubelin wearing a matching orange pocket square?

 

[Lady O]

With the talk of foxes.

I'm just going to put it out there, DINGOES.

I've just gone back 44 years.

There are most likely dingoes around there. We bought land in similar terrain around 200km away and locals warned us about the dingoes.

 

[31550]

It would be interesting to hear from someone local who is familiar with foxes there.

July to October is breeding season so they would have likely been more active during the time he went missing, and possibly with more mouths to feed.

Would depend how many family groups/dens in that area as to how quick his remains could have been removed.

Could happen in 1 to 3 days before the searchers got to that area.

Doubtful. Foxes tend to live solitary lives and usually have about a 1km radius to themselves. They do get together to mate, and a pair may stay together for a while. There will only be one male. Other female offspring might hang around mum and dad for a little while but they don't form packs or units.

 

[31550]

Mmmmm, The Tapes?????
Didn't make him feel slightly uneasy?
Was Jubelin wearing a matching orange pocket square?

Maybe Jubes has a private video collection

 

[passball]

There are most likely dingoes around there. We bought land in similar terrain around 200km away and locals warned us about the dingoes.

They are around Port Macquarie.
Was a study and Port Macquarie was in the 3 hotspots for dingoes.

 

[Lady O]

They are around Port Macquarie.
Was a study and Port Macquarie was in the 3 hotspots for dingoes.

I just remembered also, on a trip, just out of Grafton during the daytime, two dingoes crossed the road in front of us.

 

[jason_recliner]

Mmmmm, The Tapes?????
Didn't make him feel slightly uneasy?
Was Jubelin wearing a matching orange pocket square?

The tapes that led a judge to conclude there's no pattern of that behaviour? Most of us have been less than perfect parents at times - not you by the sounds of it - and his foster parents had a more stressful parenting experience than most. I've never struck a child but I've been less than perfect in other ways, they did the wrong thing but that says nothing about them hiding the death of their child. For 10 years. While lobbying for a million dollar reward.

Gary must be truly besotted with an old married woman to throw away his career! And her husband!

 

[js47]

Ok, pairs then. But you can have multiple pairs from different dens in the area. Dens are often full of bones.

LIVED THERE It would be hard for the family if they follow this not foxes so much .

 

[31550]

Yes he did, I have provided the times back in this thread.

You have posted in this thread 128 times.
I don't recall you ever posting the times that Peter passed the tennis club CCTV.
I skimmed over your posts again and couldn't find it.
I am sorry I am so stupid and for wasting your time but would you mind please linking the post with these times for me and anyone else who might have missed them among your 128 posts.

 

[js47]

I just remembered also, on a trip, just out of Grafton during the daytime, two dingoes crossed the road in front of us.

I lived in the bush near Diamond Head there was a lot of dogs. Please remember the family discussing this.

 

[Awakening]

Doubtful. Foxes tend to live solitary lives and usually have about a 1km radius to themselves. They do get together to mate, and a pair may stay together for a while. There will only be one male. Other female offspring might hang around mum and dad for a little while but they don't form packs or units.

No that’s not what I mean. You can have multiple families (male, female, babies) within an area due to urban sprawl and during breeding season. It’s certainly the case in my local area.