Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[31550]

It was said recently at the inquest

It was said as in someone suggested it casually, or someone swore to it under oath?

 

[alwaysintrigued]

It was said as in someone suggested it casually, or someone swore to it under oath?

Swore under oath actually

 

[31550]

Swore under oath actually

If you had said all that in the first place including who swore it, it might have saved some time and effort. Thank you.

The FM said under oath at the inquest that the keys were xxxxxx

It's far more informative and then we all know it's not just something you heard from someone or read in a forum or one of Dan Box's podcasts.

 

[LRitz]

A plastic type tarp?

Yes it could be

I have watched the FF walkthrough numerous times today and I would like to apologise for the cuddly remark, should have said built.

forgiven

Perhaps it’s because the other site is mainly controlled by the Foster Clique.

that explains it

That was just my word after listening to him saying he was in Cubs, Scouts, Venturers, going bush on bike rides,

understandable

If the cars were gone at 8.40 then of what relevance are they anyway?

Good question

Yes, well the fosters PR firm Insight employed several Social Media Monitors for some time, who knows how effective...

can we find out

 

[LRitz]

BBM # 1 But you do expect that the FM was expected to be watching the clock?, ok for others but seems not for her> Again suits your narrative.

FM said FF was allegedly running late. How did she know this. either she looked at clock or FF told her he was running late. Or she made it up.
Why add this specific information to her narrative.

FM called Spedding at 9:03. My opinion is that she would have checked the time before she made this call. IMO, 9:00 is start of business hours. Any call before this time would have raised red flags. Happy that every one else disagrees . No need to reply.

 

[alwaysintrigued]

If you had said all that in the first place including who swore it, it might have saved some time and effort. Thank you.

The FM said under oath at the inquest that the keys were xxxxxx

It's far more informative and then we all know it's not just something you heard from someone or read in a forum or one of Dan Box's podcasts.

Noted. But past experience has shown me that my posts are apparently not read anyway or remembered.

Seems nothing is good enough here, don't know why I bother sometimes, but I believe in justice & presenting the facts known to me & to help others who may / do not know these.

Sorry to waist your time & effort, I guess searching for stuff I have already posted / supplied & than being asked to supply it again, doesn't at all waist my time of effort. Got it.

The thank you is appreciated, rare around here. I acknowledge some posters are grateful

 

[passball]

Usually it is minutes, by logic has to be really.

Can you say for certain that no one other than the FF & FGM knew that there were kids there that morning??

I think it's reasonable for other posters to look at other scenarios other than the evil FM / FF /FGM.

I like to keep an open mind.

I've seen & heard no concrete evidence to support the current police theory, but have heard lots of other evidence to support other theories.

It was said recently at the inquest

I feel like you are aggressively defending the FPS, I have a niggling feeling.
Your sort of attacks are pretty much why I stopped reading the other site btw.
I don't think you are open as you say you are.
I'm open as in who I think are involved but I'm not attacking anyone who thinks differently, I'm putting out what could be a different scenario, because as they say it could be the smallest detail that matters. But realistically what I say or think isn't going to matter, its a discussion.

Jubelin thought Spedding was involved.
Jubelin thought Paul Savage was involved.
Jubelin thought Heather Savage was involved.
And nothing has come of it.
So me personally putting my 2cents in shouldn't be a problem.

Posters in here are working out between themselves different scenarios with what they have.
There is a good mix of opinions. A lot of them are quite smart and I'm amazed at their knowledge. They don't know what goes on behind what the public is allowed to see so give them a break.
You maybe want to mute me.

 

[Poppy Penny]

Yes, well the fosters PR firm Insight employed several Social Media Monitors for some time, who knows how effective they were in steering public discussion? And if they're still active across socials.

They sure are!

 

[Wallace52]

Watched the FF walkthrough and full respect for the other guy staying calm listening to that BS.
Never considered the FF involvement until yesterday.

It is pretty bad, isn’t it. I think one angle (and this is the angle that I take) is that it’s actually possible that the FF has an ingrained hatred of police and authority figures and doesn’t like being told what to do, so it could be that he was just pissed off at being “made to do” a police walk-through.

It was certainly a very weird, charade-like performance. IMO.
I don’t know why he was so coy on the volume of the way he shouted “William”…..it doesn’t achieve anything, does it.

Yes, well the fosters PR firm Insight employed several Social Media Monitors for some time, who knows how effective they were in steering public discussion? And if they're still active across socials.

Oh they did what? And who paid for their salaries? The Where’s William cash cow: The Australian public?

I don’t think they have media monitors at all anymore, but what think they might have pre-set moderator settings on their Facebook group page, which means that certain words or names that members might post, like maybe the names of the foster family or of their relatives or even words like swear words or maybe even words like “murder” are prevented from ever making to the publishing stage.

I had a group once on flower cutting and I was the mod and I recall you could put in any words you wanted to in the pre-moderator settings and any post on the wall or comment on the wall with a key word in it from the list that I made didn’t get published. You would be surprised if you knew how political and cut-throat the FIA (flower industry of Australia) can get!

The advantage of this pre-moderation is that someone might make a comment at 3:00am and if it is inappropriate, you don’t need to be around to delete it….

Regarding Insight and the Where’s William group page; they used to have 3 people managing/moderating the Where’s William page and now they have 4 people.

They are all located within Australia. A current screen shot is attached.

Where's William Tyrrell? Bring Him Home - Official

Where's William Tyrrell? Bring Him Home - Official. 107,952 likes · 18 talking about this. 12 of September 2014 was the tragic day William Tyrrell was abducted. Please Like and Share h

www.facebook.com

 

[Wallace52]

Episode 7 is a banger.***

Loving it.




** According to Urban Dictionary: "If a Song is extremely [sic] tight or just unbelievably [sic] awesome. It is a banger."

 

[Wallace52]

Suggest you look a little closer at the recent conversations in this thread Kurve

Can hand on heart say I have no affiliation with Insight or Alice and/or Clare Collins.

 

[Wallace52]

can we find out

No. You’ll never get an answer to that. Everyone has and will come under scrutiny but Insight will never. They’re Teflon.

 

[Wallace52]

Noted. But past experience has shown me that my posts are apparently not read anyway or remembered.

Seems nothing is good enough here, don't know why I bother sometimes, but I believe in justice & presenting the facts known to me & to help others who may / do not know these.

Sorry to waist your time & effort, I guess searching for stuff I have already posted / supplied & than being asked to supply it again, doesn't at all waist my time of effort. Got it.

The thank you is appreciated, rare around here. I acknowledge some posters are grateful

We are a bit suspicious about newbies, and no one is required to read your posts.

You’re not required to be helpful, that’s your choice. If you don’t want to answer a question or check your notes, you don’t need to. It’s not required. You’re not going to get a thank you that parallels your effort as your effort is always going to be much more than the reward you will get for contributing your knowledge.

But the effort is the reward. Most of us do this because we enjoy the process of sharing and learning more information and knowledge and we don’t (well I don’t) expect anything in return from anyone else on this forum but we enjoy the process and the journey.

That’s the art of being an online sleuth. It’s fun and it’s challenging and the work you do is it’s own reward. Which makes me suspicious of why you’re doing what you are doing.

I’m just here to discuss the case, not to be all emotional about myself and other posters and how much they do or don’t read my posts.

Also, it’s waste and not waist.

 

[Wallace52]

Ever heard of

Ever heard of 'go play in the street'.
Maybe FM had enough

I’ve heard of “go play in the traffic”. I’m not sure if anyone said that to me as a kid but I think it was joked about in my family. Not very funny now I reflect on it…

 

[Lady O]

Most neutral witnesses have been very consistent in their testimony.

The most inconsistent witnesses are the FM and FGM.

Do you have examples of a neutral witness being inconsistent?

You seem to very forgiving of the witnesses who should remember details, but critical of others. Why is that?

We would expect all the various neutral witnesses do have DIFFERENT views of things. They were all in different places at different times and were not involved in events concerning William. But that doesn't mean they are inconsistent. It's the way these are woven into the narrative which alters.

On the other hand the FM and FGM were pretty much there the whole time in pretty much one or two places (supposedly). So why are their own accounts of events SO inconsistent, even within themselves? Trauma might be one reason, but after ten years of telling and retelling, we still can't gat a single version consistent within itself.

Do you have examples of a neutral witness being inconsistent?

Yes, Richard (John) Donoghue at No 18

 

[Lady O]

I suggest you and 31550 use the ignore button.

Thanks.

Yep, it's just annoying.

 

[Wallace52]

The two were running along and playing on the high balcony earlier that morning, the FM said it was safe because she could see them from inside and 'rails'. That isn't necessarily true because there was furniture close to the rails at the highest end any child could have climbed on

I heard they were running back and forth on the balcony that morning.

I just assumed surely that was a rumour. But maybe not.

I’ve not seen the full FM walkthrough so I appreciate your insights.

 

[gymjam]

Usually it is minutes, by logic has to be really.

Can you say for certain that no one other than the FF & FGM knew that there were kids there that morning??

I think it's reasonable for other posters to look at other scenarios other than the evil FM / FF /FGM.

I like to keep an open mind.

I've seen & heard no concrete evidence to support the current police theory, but have heard lots of other evidence to support other theories.

It was said recently at the inquest

Can you please detail what was said recently. I was unable to attend and am very interested to know details you have taken the time to note and then hopefully will take the decision to share with us. Thankyou.

 

[31550]

Noted. But past experience has shown me that my posts are apparently not read anyway or remembered.

Seems nothing is good enough here, don't know why I bother sometimes, but I believe in justice & presenting the facts known to me & to help others who may / do not know these.

Sorry to waist your time & effort, I guess searching for stuff I have already posted / supplied & than being asked to supply it again, doesn't at all waist my time of effort. Got it.

The thank you is appreciated, rare around here. I acknowledge some posters are grateful

You see a lot of what you post has no source or attribution and is often different to what people here might have come to believe or accept. Most people here have done extensive research of their own ( of varying quality ). It is valuable and time saving if you are clear about what you consider to be fact and what is opinion. I have slipped up on this myself and people are within their rights to call it out (in my opinion).
If you post something as fact that we may not have seen before this is especially important otherwise folks will challenge you about it unless there is a source or attribution. You should expect that. That's the path to the truth. Assume nothing, believe nothing, challenge everything.

It's good to rattle off fact after fact but when you do something like copy and paste a post from another forum which is several years old, you lose your credibility somewhat.

A lot has changed over the last 3 years in this case, and some things which were accepted in the past as truth have now been shown to be otherwise.

 

[31550]

Yep, it's just annoying.

You are welcome to ignore what you want too.

 

[31550]

Do you have examples of a neutral witness being inconsistent?

Yes, Richard (John) Donoghue at No 18

Yes he was.

 

[31550]

I’ve not seen the full FM walkthrough so I appreciate your insights

Has anyone?

 

[passball]

I heard they were running back and forth on the balcony that morning.

I just assumed surely that was a rumour. But maybe not.

I’ve not seen the full FM walkthrough so I appreciate your insights.

Is there a FM walkthrough?

 

[js47]

Just a question. If any one knows.

Where is the statement about Lake Cathie by FF. Is it a statement to police or is it an interview with journalists? Is it a voice recording or written. It is hard to keep up with all these references.

Lake Cathie is about 20 km away. FF is familiar with the area. How could he get this mixed up?Why would he drive further when there is Lake wood closer. Are we sure he said "Cathie" ???

Lake Cathie is pronounced like "cat - eye".

(I had a friend who visited there for many years over summery holidays. She always called in Lake "Cathy". Until after years a kind local set her straight. )

He said it in his interview with police about the time line for the ah um er yr um er business er um yr r um meeting.

 

[js47]

LC is to far away not enough time.