Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[Wallace52]

Did I read somewhere , it could have been a side note on one the the house plans attached to her 2015 statement that her father when the house was built in the 80s, took responsibility for verandahs and railings? I wonder what the Australian building code was in the 80s and what the code was when DOCS and or Young Hope inspected the property prior to granting approval for 48 Benaroon to be listed as satisfactory to visit?

Thats a little incorrect, because I have the development applications for the original dwelling construction and they are dated 1990.

 

[Wallace52]

Wait what? He mumbled on over 8 am? That is the same crap the FGM went on about. Do you have the detail?

Maybe he did forget his script and drove back for it.

Got a bit twitchy for his meds maybe and forgot it, as Kurve alluded to.

 

[LRitz]

That 9 time is incorrect. I think people are getting confused with the time FF stated Khodary Pharmacy opened - its in his 14/9/2014 statement and he had pre-checked the opening time on the net - it was 9; and also his vehicle was captured on Kendall tennis club cctv heading in Lakewood direction at 8:40! In this statement he doesn't actually state what time he left Benaroon Drive, he bumbled on about 8am but its hard to make out whether he meant he departed Benaroon at 8am or whether he had intended to get to Lakewood by 8am, and spend a bit of time setting up his video system to hook up with the woman in Queensland. Note: he was still at 48 Benaroon around 7:50.

He said he used to test his video systems to make sure the hookup could occur without issues and it was dependent upon the system his contact was using at their end to get the hookup flowing ok. He initially stated on 14th that his video call commenced at 9.15, then changed the time to 9.30, but later during the 14th interview, checked his phone and a note he had made and showed this evidence to both interviewing detectives that he actually commenced the video call at 9.17.

Therefore, we know his presence in Lakewood was verified by police by an independent cctv system in Lakewood. He parked in the Woolworths carpark and also had a view of Khodary Pharmacy adjacent to Woolworths. So he didn't need to drive off somewhere else before he made his way to Khodary after his video call was completed at 9.56. He obtained a receipt from Khodary at 10:19 recording his payment for his script - the detectives interviewing him on 14th did not ask him what his movements were between 9:56 and 10:19.

I think FF said he left FGM about 9:00 on Friday morning.
It is a pity that at this point in the interview he is being led by the interviewer. But that could be because they are going over previous ground and getting to confirm what FF had said before. Anyway, I still hear FF confirm his departure is just before 9:00. So not "running late" as alleged by FM. Still not sure this fits in with tennis club CCTV time.

"Q:Urn, now sorry can you just take me through you, you left about just before 9.00?
A: Yeah.
Q: And you went to Lakewood?
A: Yeah.
Q: And you went to a chemist?"


He also says he missed a call while driving to Kendall on the Thursday evening and why he did not answer the call. So if it was FF's car at Benaroon Rd that Mr Savage saw on Thursday afternoon, FF may not have had his phone with him of he wanted to hide this trip. The FM could have had the phone and that is why he did not answer this call at 5:29 pm. I Would still like to know who went into the childcare to do the pick up on Thursday. Can we add that to the list of questions for the coroner.

"...Yeah, that's right because she rang me on Thursday and left a message as I was coming up here and I didn't want, I didn't know who it was, I didn't recognise the number - - -
[26.25] Yeah.
- - because you can see it's there on the Thursday. See on the way up here.
Yeah.
5.29 I didn't want to answer any calls.
Sure.
Because I was driving as well as I had everyone in the car, I don't want them to listen to that."

 

[Wallace52]

I think FF said he left FGM about 9:00 on Friday morning.
It is a pity that at this point in the interview he is being led by the interviewer. But that could be because they are going over previous ground and getting to confirm what FF had said before. Anyway, I still hear FF confirm his departure is just before 9:00. So not "running late" as alleged by FM. Still not sure this fits in with tennis club CCTV time.

"Q:Urn, now sorry can you just take me through you, you left about just before 9.00?
A: Yeah.
Q: And you went to Lakewood?
A: Yeah.
Q: And you went to a chemist?"


He also says he missed a call while driving to Kendall on the Thursday evening and why he did not answer the call. So if it was FF's car at Benaroon Rd that Mr Savage saw on Thursday afternoon, FF may not have had his phone with him of he wanted to hide this trip. The FM could have had the phone and that is why he did not answer this call at 5:29 pm. I Would still like to know who went into the childcare to do the pick up on Thursday. Can we add that to the list of questions for the coroner.

"...Yeah, that's right because she rang me on Thursday and left a message as I was coming up here and I didn't want, I didn't know who it was, I didn't recognise the number - - -
[26.25] Yeah.
- - because you can see it's there on the Thursday. See on the way up here.
Yeah.
5.29 I didn't want to answer any calls.
Sure.
Because I was driving as well as I had everyone in the car, I don't want them to listen to that."

They were pictured at Maccas and there are cameras all the way up that highway.

 

[shorsky]

It was a relative who was there on Thursday. FGM was recovering from an illness. Others were helping to take care of her. I do not have a link as proof of who was there. I will have to go back through notes to see how I know that, when I have more time I will do that.

I agree it’s been stated that FGM had not been well / was recovering whatever the wording, however she was well enough ( by her own admission) to take herself off to run errands on that Thursday so I doubt she was in need of ‘care’.

I do wonder though if perhaps she had some home help - maybe things like cleaning bathrooms, vacuuming, floor washing, bed making etc, especially knowing she had guests arriving next day,

 

[LRitz]

They were pictured at Maccas and there are cameras all the way up that highway.

I had a previous post that he could have got back to meet FM with the kids and all be at McDonalds in the William on the shoulders proof of life and proof all family together CCTV.

The police were stretched. Do you think they tracked when the Land Rover left Sydney. Everybody thought it was obvious. And Willian was not missing on Thursday afternoon. Maybe police did, but maybe they didn't. FM could have picked up the kids and dropped off the cats. Would like to see the statement of the childcare. And who saw FF in Sydney on Thursday.

And now we know FF missed a call at 5:29 pm on Thursday.And he has given a narrative of why he did not answer that call. so nothing to see here.

 

[gymjam]

There could be some ass-covering happening.

If the FM really wanted to bring about change in the world she would be campaigning for balcony safety and building approvals laws regarding high balconies and the safety features needed on them to protect children from death and injury: Instead of this Where’s William stuff which is just getting very sad and very old, and is not really helping anyone very much.

IMO

She could have still been the hero. She has a great passion for advocacy and raising awareness: I can see that.

Did I read somewher , it could have been a sude note on one the the plans attached to her 2015 statement thaf her father when the hoyse was built in mud 80s, took responsibility for verandah and railings? Ixwonder what the Ausyraluan building cise was in thd mud 80s and what the code was when DOCS

Thanks gymjam I will try to remember the comment about the shoe I read so many books and other sources. I am really positive he commented on the ‘shoe’ not shoes that started me thinking of taking him for a walk.

Would really appreciate the vid reference time if that was easier than a book reference.

I know FF in walkthru talked about riding his trail bike up the Benaroon Dve fire trail and trails in other places on different visits but I cant recall him mentioning a shoe in connection to fire trail.

HE did mention William wasnt wearing shoes in the last photo to the interviewing detectives during the ERISP on 14/9/2014 which incidentally they did at 48.

When he mentioned William was not wearing shoes when the last photo was taken he said something similar to .... as you can see in the photos we gave you yesterday. He had answered a question by one of the detctives who had asked him if William was wearing shoes as part of a sequence about what William was wearing.

Something struck me in that sequence and that was when he described the colour of the spiderman outfit and I think after he said red and blue he said yeah the colour that no one can see.

Really sarcastic and struck me as really odd to fling that remark out.

Its was like during the 1/9/2016 interview led by Jubelin. Jubelin made a comment they had got suggestions called in from the public that William may have been run over by FF when he returned to 48 and parked in the driveway. FF laughed as his answer... detailed in the transcript. But in the Jubelin/Box book Badness Jubelin states FF cried at that running over William suggestion! Was this an attempt to change the real detail in the interview transcript that was duly certified as a true and correct record of the ERISP interview. BTW an ERISP process involves separate voice and video recording done simultaeneously so there will be proof.

 

[LRitz]

I agree it’s been stated that FGM had not been well / was recovering whatever the wording, however she was well enough ( by her own admission) to take herself off to run errands on that Thursday so I doubt she was in need of ‘care’.

I do wonder though if perhaps she had some home help - maybe things like cleaning bathrooms, vacuuming, floor washing, bed making etc, especially knowing she had guests arriving next day,

She was asked in her walkthrough what she did on Thursday. She gave details. She did not say she had a visitor. A visitor to the house would have been important on the day William arrived. So why did FM hide this, if there was a visitor.

 

[js47]

Not any one thing, but an overall observation from the things she says and does.

And if she goes to trial no matter how much evidence is produced she is her own worst enemy.

 

[Wallace52]

FM could have picked up the kids and dropped off the cats.

LRitz


I’ve seen the cat boarding receipt from the eftpos machine.

I’ve seen the daycare sign out sheet and one of the rooms has the FF signature on it. He was there for pickup after the cat drop off.

iirc foster dad picked up the sister and foster mum picked up William.

She actually forgot to sign him out on the sign out sheet on the 11th and had to sign for him after he was already…. Well, you know….when they returned to Sydney.

 

[shorsky]

This is a long shot but could FF have forgotten his script and gone back to the house. Lakewood is only a short drive away and has the only/closest chemist that I can see.
I can’t find the article where FF gives a timeline of his morning but police ask him why he didn’t get his script first given his work meeting wasn’t until 9.30. FF said that he decided to set up for his work meeting. FF then said he started the meeting early about 9.15 and it went for 15 mins or so.
FF filled his script at 10.18. I’m keeping in mind that FGM said that FF wanted to get to Lakewood early to go to the chemist.
I’ll keep looking for the article.

I’ve been of the understanding that he set up for his meeting about 9.15am and it started at 9.30am, running (I thought) for 1/2 hour. … but happy to be corrected as I think the times are critical, quite likely down to the minute in some case.

So if FF meeting finished at 9.30 am, what did he do between 9.30 > 10.18 am ( guessing 10.18 is the pharmacy receipt time ) and guessing he had a 5 min wait for his script to be dispensed, a few minutes to cross the street ……. There’s 40 mins ‘free time’.

 

[Wallace52]

And if she goes to trial no matter how much evidence is produced she is her own worst enemy.

That’s the issue. Hopeless.

 

[Wallace52]

Its was like during the 1/9/2016 interview led by Jubelin. Jubelin made a comment they had got suggestions called in from the public that William may have been run over by FF when he returned to 48 and parked in the driveway. FF laughed as his answer... detailed in the transcript. But in the Jubelin/Box book Badness Jubelin states FF cried at that running over William suggestion! Was this an attempt to change the real detail in the interview transcript that was duly certified as a true and correct record of the ERISP interview.

Yes, and Jubelin’s relationship with the truth is about as good as that of the FM.

I don’t believe a word he says.

I’ve seen the transcript also and FF definitely laughed at that.

 

[passball]

I think FF said he left FGM about 9:00 on Friday morning.
It is a pity that at this point in the interview he is being led by the interviewer. But that could be because they are going over previous ground and getting to confirm what FF had said before. Anyway, I still hear FF confirm his departure is just before 9:00. So not "running late" as alleged by FM. Still not sure this fits in with tennis club CCTV time.

"Q:Urn, now sorry can you just take me through you, you left about just before 9.00?
A: Yeah.
Q: And you went to Lakewood?
A: Yeah.
Q: And you went to a chemist?"


He also says he missed a call while driving to Kendall on the Thursday evening and why he did not answer the call. So if it was FF's car at Benaroon Rd that Mr Savage saw on Thursday afternoon, FF may not have had his phone with him of he wanted to hide this trip. The FM could have had the phone and that is why he did not answer this call at 5:29 pm. I Would still like to know who went into the childcare to do the pick up on Thursday. Can we add that to the list of questions for the coroner.

"...Yeah, that's right because she rang me on Thursday and left a message as I was coming up here and I didn't want, I didn't know who it was, I didn't recognise the number - - -
[26.25] Yeah.
- - because you can see it's there on the Thursday. See on the way up here.
Yeah.
5.29 I didn't want to answer any calls.
Sure.
Because I was driving as well as I had everyone in the car, I don't want them to listen to that."

Listen to what?
He didn't know who it was to know that he didn't want them to listen 'to that'

 

[js47]

Gymjam about the shoe I will listen to the FF walk through again.

 

[Poppy Penny]

Listen to what?
He didn't know who it was to know that he didn't want them to listen 'to that'

Good point

 

[Wallace52]

Listen to what?
He didn't know who it was to know that he didn't want them to listen 'to that'

Maybe it was a girlfriend or a female work colleague that he had a crush on.

 

[Wallace52]

I’ve been of the understanding that he set up for his meeting about 9.15am and it started at 9.30am, running (I thought) for 1/2 hour. … but happy to be corrected as I think the times are critical, quite likely down to the minute in some case.

So if FF meeting finished at 9.30 am, what did he do between 9.30 > 10.18 am ( guessing 10.18 is the pharmacy receipt time ) and guessing he had a 5 min wait for his script to be dispensed, a few minutes to cross the street ……. There’s 40 mins ‘free time’.

Maybe he mucked around on Facebook for a bit?

 

[shorsky]

WHAT! I find out so much important information in this site. Surely these people who are so wealthy portray themselves as intellectuals had to THINK about William’s falling over. I would have been on that phone to make sure bios, Gov, SA and any one in hearing distance was aware and surely his day care centre must have spoken to them about it. WHY wasn’t he seen by the appropriate people?
What I was confused about was the MFC wondering if he had not been there William may not have been able to get up after falling off the stool?

That really confused or even perhaps I should say, concerned me. Very strange thing to say imo.

Kids for the most part are extraordinarily resilient. I can recall many times holding my breath on hearing a Crack ah they stood up under a table, or fell over something … while they shook themselves off & carried on.

I wondered what made FF think the child was not capable of getting up ?

And what follow up was there to this concern ? Was he taken to paediatrician for a though check up ?

 

[js47]

LRitz


I’ve seen the cat boarding receipt from the eftpos machine.

I’ve seen the daycare sign out sheet and one of the rooms has the FF signature on it. He was there for pickup after the cat drop off.

iirc foster dad picked up the sister and foster mum picked up William.

She actually forgot to sign him out on the sign out sheet on the 11th and had to sign for him after he was already…. Well, you know….when they returned to Sydney.

IS SHE SUPER SLICK OR REALLY THAT DENSE? I AM FURIOUS THAT HER MENTAL STATE EAS NOT PICKED UP. AND….. WORDS LEAVE ME SHE HAD CARE OF OTHER CHILDREN…AFTER WILLIAM

 

[js47]

Maybe he mucked around on Facebook for a bit?

Maybe he just mucked around she is not that attractive.

 

[shorsky]

That's what I'm thinking.

Maybe the work meeting was at Lake Cathie.

He forgets his script and messages the FM that he's coming home to get it. Is the message deleted?

She waits for him and passes the script through the window, no doors opened or closed.

He's in a hurry and probably pissed he had to go back out.

Then goes to Lakewood Khodarys.

Does it fit in the timeline?

FF meeting was online. The reason given for his drive at morning was because there was no suitable reception at Benaroon Drive.

It was said that he also needed to fill his prescription ( perhaps in the rush of leaving Sydney he forgot his meds, and some do have to be taken at pretty much the same time each day)

People here may know if Lakewood was the closest Pharmacy in 2014, and if it was it would make sense to me, to go there, have his meeting & fill his script.

 

[shorsky]

Any normal person would drive past the tennis club (IMO).

Hahaha now you throw in ‘normal’

 

[DropBearess]

One thing interests me about the FGM walk-through which may have been unnoticed.

Before she waffles on about the vague sleeping arrangements the previous night, she introduces her own room. "This is my room and I slept here alone" Why would anyone deem it necessary to say that? There are also personal items visible on both sides of her bed.

On SM-A356E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[js47]

Gymjam about the shoe I will listen to the FF walk through again.

Yes the FF SAID IN THE WALK THROUGH…’THERE IS A TRAIL UP TO THE CEMETERY AND I WENT UP THERE TO SEE IF HE DROPPED SOMETHING A SHOE ACHOO!’
He dropped the tissue. And I have to applaud him never once did he say um er r etc. but then again he was talking about how proficient he was at His bush abilities