Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[shorsky]

I know it is good to run through different scenarios, but all this what if William did this or that, Or what if FM lost her temper. It has all been discussed before.... No evidence. No proof. Not in statements. As far as we have been told everyone was happy that morning. Does not add to solving what happened.

How do you know there was a fight over toys etc. This is a narrative and is alleged by fosters.

With 10 years of discussions it’s a fair bet there’s going to be repeats. However imo they are good refreshers; also not everyone is long-term and it’s important to have fresh perspectives.

Above as BBM, pretty much everything is a narrative by the fosters. After all, there was no one else there so they pretty much command the floor !

The challenge for Investigators is to unravel all the versions provided, and to try to make some sense of important detail that may match to other important detail.

We have no idea of what police may have as I doubt they’re about to make ‘evidence’ public.

At the same time, I certainly hope all the very public innuendo re FM involvement is not just ‘scare tactics’ as that is not fair & I could see a huge law suit looming.

 

[js47]

FF meeting was online. The reason given for his drive at morning was because there was no suitable reception at Benaroon Drive.

It was said that he also needed to fill his prescription ( perhaps in the rush of leaving Sydney he forgot his meds, and some do have to be taken at pretty much the same time each day)

People here may know if Lakewood was the closest Pharmacy in 2014, and if it was it would make sense to me, to go there, have his meeting & fill his script.

Yes Lakewood is the closest Lake Cathie is a long drive there would not have been time he would have to go into Laurieton and up through Bonny Hills or up the highway and in through the ghost road just to far.

 

[shorsky]

If it was the FM then what accounts for the momentary stopping they heard? If she placed a dead W in the car what caused hesitation? Was it pausing at the driveway exit perhaps?

If Crabbes know the sound of vehicles coming and going can they also distinguish between residents coming and going from driveway and a car on the street?

I think it possible a vehicle reversed out of FGM’s driveway. Perhaps it rolled down the driveway so FGM didn’t hear a vehicle start.

If you think what that would entail, reverse down, maybe start car at bottom of driveway, then swing out / back on the road, change gear, and go forward, very quickly

 

[shorsky]

Were there texts deleted from the FMs phone on the day?
Would they be able to tell if the landline called FF that morning?

Yes to both

 

[passball]

Gymjam about the shoe I will listen to the FF walk through again.

It's in there.
He also says that he discovered the trail to the cemetery as if he didn't know about it but the others were waiting for him to come home to go on a WALK to the cemetery to place the cards/drawings the kid

 

[shorsky]

In that case it would be quite telling for the FF to use two different routes for the two trips. Excuse could be the roadworks? But that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Why leave this out of his narrative?

Uummm .. it’s been said by a couple of people that FF meeting finished at 9.30 am - do we know if that is fact ?

Because if so it leaves a big gap of time, enough possibly to meet someone & still pick up a script at 10.18 am, and still leave the obligatory ‘ home in 5 ‘ text.

 

[shorsky]

Have we ruled out the FM could not have taken two drives after 9.37? And does anybody know if the FGM Mazda 3 had GPS?

Personally I believe there was one drive, and it could have started as early as 9.50am.

I think it’s also possible that it may not have ended until close to 10.30am.

Does anyone know what time AMS arrived home from taking her youngest to playschool or whatever it was ?

 

[shorsky]

The FF left @ 08:55 ( just found this in my notes , stated by Detective Laura Beacroft @ the inquest ) .

Thanks for all this valuable info, however I think Detective Beacroft may be a little out on her time.

FF was clocked at 8.40 am Tennis Court CCTV time. It was originally said that clock was 9 mins slow, meaning it was actually 8.49 am when he went past the Tennis Courts.

Now at this latest tranche of the Inquest, we suddenly hear it said the clock was 14 mins slow ! On that basis it it becomes that he passed the Tennis Courts at 8.54 am.

I’m really intrigued as to the change in the clock times. There is a signed statement from Mr Donohue where he amended his times on the basis of Police advice that the clock was 9 minutes slow.

IMO, time is quite critical in this case, so discrepancies like this appear sloppy, unless clearly explained. e.g. did the battery get slower over time until it became 14 mins slow ? - that doesn’t mean it was 14 mins slow when the activities in question were occurring.

 

[shorsky]

FM said she saw the cars @07:30. Anne Maree walked some of her kids to the bus stop @ 08:10, saw no cars ( I suggest cars had left ) She drove another child to to pre-school @ 08:40. She reversed out & saw no cars at that time either.

Detective Beacroft made a point to say that Anne Maree was not outside to see the cars before 08:10.

I'm not undermining anyone, just point out the fact she had not been outside to see the alleged cars that the FM said she saw @ 07:30, hence the cars cannot 100% be ruled out as not being there!

If you think that's defending the FM than that's your assumption.

Was it stated at what stage that morning FM saw the cars - I heard something like she woke up & pulled back the curtains…. was she looking at a bird or something, and then she saw these 2 cars ?

 

[shorsky]

Opportunistic means that.
Sees an opportunity and acts on it. Not planned or seeked out.
Example turning onto Elendale st, sees child at end of slope so drives further up instead of turning into Elendale, asks William if he’s seen a puppy, William comes closer, put in car, car drives away.

Foster Parents were adamant that William wouldn’t wander away, always stayed close etc. . But for him to be abducted he had to wander (so their statement flies in the face of their belief imo )
He had to leave the house confines and go close to the road / boundary of the property.
(And let’s discount the fact that Police say there was no scent of him outside the boundary - for whatever reason, dogs may not have had a good enough scent to track etc. )

So - if William had been in a big lot of trouble and was locked outside, do we think he maybe got fed-up, got very brave, and decided to go find daddy.

 

[shorsky]

Mazda 3’s don’t have GPS. Oh rats, I am sort of wrong.



Two phone calls, one drive.

The FD would have noticed her driving if she went out twice IMO.

The fact that FD didn’t notice FM driving at all is very fortunate for the FM but two drives and she would have been pushing her luck.

I drive a 2014 Mazda 3 and it has factory fitted GPS