Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[gymjam]

This is really interesting. Perhaps this daughter stayed the night or was there again first thing Friday morning.

And the 2 vehicles PS stated he recalled seeing on the Thursday during the day ... time anyone? ....parked with white vehicle connected to sister's visit? One was a dark grey 4wd described in similar terms to the vehicle FF drove and they had traveled to kendall using on 11th arriving at Kendall around 9pm. The white one may have been FM sisters?

I keep wondering who had attended to the garden under the high balcony as it had fresh mulch covering the ground in walkthru videos. And a pile was next to police scene vans parked in lower driveway on 12th.

Sister worked for Wesley org in aged care connected area just prior to FM AND FF commencing their journey through their fostering process with Wesley Dalmar. Source open view linkedin.

 

[Kurve]

Can we quote sections of what we 'believe' might be in the FF transcript?

They can't be authenticated. We saw what happened through the Claremont murders when 'leaked' material was being passed around.

For years information in the documents was promoted by posters as having insider knowledge that the public wasn't privvy to. While some of the information in the documents was correct there were a couple of major errors, likely deliberately inserted as a trap.

 

[31550]

And the 2 vehicles PS stated he recalled seeing on the Thursday during the day ... time anyone? ....parked with white vehicle connected to sister's visit? One was a dark grey 4wd described in similar terms to the vehicle FF drove and they had traveled to kendall using on 11th arriving at Kendall around 9pm. The white one may have been FM sisters?

I keep wondering who had attended to the garden under the high balcony as it had fresh mulch covering the ground in walkthru videos. And a pile was next to police scene vans parked in lower driveway on 12th.

Sister worked for Wesley org in aged care connected area just prior to FM AND FF commencing their journey through their fostering process with Wesley Dalmar. Source open view linkedin.

Is the sister a short overweight blonde woman?
Does she own or drive a jet black Camry, or a Burgundy BMW or a grey ute? Does she own a ladder?
Rhetorical questions, never mind.

 

[Kurve]

Michelle White took a few pictures of the FGMs house after William disappeared, have we seen all of them and does anybody know if she included pictures that illustrate the big drop at the high end of the balcony?

 

[31550]

It's a bit quiet in here. Haven't seen the 'cavalry' for a while. Do Insight have a regular Tuesday morning meeting, or is it just that we aren't touching any particular nerves right now?

 

[Tommyz]

What's interesting is that the police were listening in when both their home and car were bugged with recording devices for more than a year, day and night 24 hours, and they apparently heard all this so called intimidation and assaults on a child, but did nothing. Wouldn't you think that if a child was seriously being harmed, they would smash down the door and rescue the child. Clearly, they didn't think it was bad enough to do this. There is not one parent out there that hasn't threatened their child if they didn't stop what they were doing. Even saying "if you don't stop that, I will smack your bum" is by legal terms threats and intimidation. Every parent would be jail if this was the case. And these same people are the ones who criticise parents for not doing anything about their child when the child is being disruptive in a public place like a restaurant.

 

[31550]

for more than a year, day and night 24 hours, and they apparently heard all this so called intimidation and assaults on a child, but did nothing.

We don't know that the surveillance was actively monitored 24/7.
We don't know that they didn't report abuse or suspected abuse to FACS.
We don't know whether FACS investigated the situation or not.
But I agree it's a concern that a child was left in this situation for so long, and the whole set of circumstances should be reviewed independently at an appropriate time.

 

[Kurve]

What's interesting is that the police were listening in when both their home and car were bugged with recording devices for more than a year, day and night 24 hours, and they apparently heard all this so called intimidation and assaults on a child, but did nothing. Wouldn't you think that if a child was seriously being harmed, they would smash down the door and rescue the child. Clearly, they didn't think it was bad enough to do this. There is not one parent out there that hasn't threatened their child if they didn't stop what they were doing. Even saying "if you don't stop that, I will smack your bum" is by legal terms threats and intimidation. Every parent would be jail if this was the case. And these same people are the ones who criticise parents for not doing anything about their child when the child is being disruptive in a public place like a restaurant.

They can't SEE what was happening, they only had audio and they did rescue the child. The FD and another child in their care were removed permanently.

The kids weren't removed because "If you don't stop that I'll smack your bum."

 

[Tommyz]

Oh I have kept that question in my head for soooooo! Long.
In his walk through he BRAGS how he knows all the fire trails but it is questionable if he has his bike. He also says he went down a trail (which one) looking in case William lost a shoe . I am wondering if FF took William on his shoulders for a little walk for a little talk about upsetting FGM because of fights over toys (I bet he had one) long day school days long trip early start. Seems possible to me.
Fm accounts for her FD William’s FGM activities. Didn’t FF say when they were challenged over the FD ‘I am sick of this s**t? A Leopard does not change its spots.

As much as I can understand that some people have all sorts of legitimate questions and valid theories, a little bit of common sense also goes a long way. The police have already verified he was where he said he was. It would have been one of the first things they did. If he wasnt where he said he was, he too would have been a primary suspect. And that's not the case.

 

[Tommyz]

We don't know that the surveillance was actively monitored 24/7.
We don't know that they didn't report abuse or suspected abuse to FACS.
We don't know whether FACS investigated the situation or not.
But I agree it's a concern that a child was left in this situation for so long, and the whole set of circumstances should be reviewed independently at an appropriate time.

Actually we do know, it was raised in court and it was reported. It should also be noted that the child who was then removed, didn't want to go, was distressed and crying. That too was recorded.

 

[Kurve]

Actually we do know, it was raised in court and it was reported. It should also be noted that the child who was then removed, didn't want to go, was distressed and crying. That too was recorded.

Are you referring to the child that initially reported being assaulted and afraid to go home to the school?

Why should it be particularly noted that the child was distressed and crying and didn't want to go, presumably with strangers or the police?

I think it can be demonstrated that she wasn't comfortable with the police, she waited until the police left her alone with a support worker to say that the FF had put his hands around her neck.

 

[31550]

Why should it be particularly noted that the child was distressed and crying and didn't want to go, presumably with strangers or the police?

Sounds like victim blaming and misdirection to me.

 

[Underarrest_]

Personally I think asking why child safety/police didn’t remove FD before they did is a reasonable question.
FD had reported not wanting to go home to her teacher and there should have been a notification to Child safety.
Police have then heard abuse in the recordings then by not moving in FD was subjected to more abuse (what police called a pattern of abuse.)
No child should be left in that situation for the sake of gaining further recordings.

 

[Wallace52]

It's a bit quiet in here. Haven't seen the 'cavalry' for a while. Do Insight have a regular Tuesday morning meeting, or is it just that we aren't touching any particular nerves right now?

They’re in a team meeting with their office cat.

 

[Kurve]

Personally I think asking why child safety/police didn’t remove FD before they did is a reasonable question.
FD had reported not wanting to go home to her teacher and there should have been a notification to Child safety.
Police have then heard abuse in the recordings then by not moving in FD was subjected to more abuse (what police called a pattern of abuse.)
No child should be left in that situation for the sake of gaining further recordings.

Many would argue the FD probably should have been removed when William vanished.

 

[31550]

They’re in a team meeting with their office cat.

Meeting has ended it seems.

 

[31550]

Many would argue the FD probably should have been removed when William vanished.

 

[Underarrest_]

Many would argue the FD probably should have been removed when William vanished.

I’m not arguing with that, but I do believe it’s not right that FD was left in the house (knowing there was abuse) leaving her to be subjected to more abuse.

 

[Kurve]

I’m not arguing with that, but I do believe it’s not right that FD was left in the house (knowing there was abuse) leaving her to be subjected to more abuse.

Do we know how long the FD was left in the house after complaining to the school?

 

[Underarrest_]

Do we know how long the FD was left in the house after complaining to the school?

I don’t know personally but I know that there was time between the first and last recordings.

 

[Kurve]

I don’t know personally but I know that there was time between the first and last recordings.

My understanding is there was bruising from the kicking incident seen at the school and that the police also saw, which tends to suggest it wasn't long.

 

[Underarrest_]

My understanding is there was bruising from the kicking incident seen at the school and that the police also saw, which tends to suggest it wasn't long.

My understanding is that there was abuse recorded by FM (washing, putrid, phone call to friend about breaking FD then other recordings then FF calling FD ‘c___’ and driving erratically following this.
It’s my opinion FD should have been removed when they were first aware of the abuse. FD was a child in state care and any signs of abuse should have been dealt with swiftly.
FD was left in care and subjected to more abuse. It makes no sense and was inappropriate. IMOO.
Edit, sorry and just want to add, FO were under surveillance for suspected disposing of FD’s brother.

 

[Kurve]

Sounds like victim blaming and misdirection to me.

The Dan Box podcast shouldn't have been allowed to proceed IMO through the Coroner's inquiry's last tranche and before the DPP has delivered their decision on the police brief.

Given public interest factors in to the decision, Box's podcast has the potential to further poison public discourse.

 

[Kurve]

My understanding is that there was abuse recorded by FM (washing, putrid, phone call to friend about breaking FD then other recordings then FF calling FD ‘c___’ and driving erratically following this.
It’s my opinion FD should have been removed when they were first aware of the abuse. FD was a child in state care and any signs of abuse should have been dealt with swiftly.
FD was left in care and subjected to more abuse. It makes no sense and was inappropriate. IMOO.

The rant by the father was appalling, I agree. Would it have been enough to have the kids removed? I don't know. Or would they have been given counselling and more help?

How do the cops prove there was no washing done for so long unless it was said repeatedly over time in the house? They can't see the washing piling up. Can the cops actually prove the child was hit with the spoon if they can't see it? They have to try and make sense out of sound. They didn't see the kicking incident, they only heard an argument.

And were audio monitors sitting off listening in real time? Possibly not.

 

[Underarrest_]

The rant by the father was appalling, I agree. Would it have been enough to have the kids removed? I don't know. Or would they have been given counselling and more help?

I’ve edited my above post.
FD was under state care and the care of carers.
Police were well aware of the possible threat to FD (they were under surveillance for a suspected horrific crime) and there was ongoing abuse. They left her there to be subjected to more.
IMOO.