Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[passball]

Really.
He looks stocky in your opinion. The bio mother may not agree. Never dismiss the Mother, that is what we were told.

He is not looking at the camera. There is no clear picture of his face on the previous photos. He is not drawing. He is just throwing crayons or leaves. He looks thin. He has dirty feet. He can not even smile.
He is not standing up and running around with all that energy. We can not tell if he can even stand at this time. Why does he have no energy. Is there a problem with William before 9:37? Just asking the question.

The FM said she took the photos, she said there were 3 photos.

 

[Underarrest_]

Were these people looked at?
The poor Police, they have so many dogdy people to look at.
I take my hats of to them.
I made the mistake of 'sleuthing' within a couple of days from when William went missing and stopped, I just thought 'good luck'.

It’s a wide group and would be like looking for a needle in a haystack to identify them.
Anyway they do exist. I don’t know this from 'sleuthing.’
Im sure police have eliminated this though as they’re looking at FM.
Just interesting that you mentioned it.

 

[Wallace52]

The rant by the father was appalling, I agree. Would it have been enough to have the kids removed? I don't know. Or would they have been given counselling and more help?

How do the cops prove there was no washing done for so long unless it was said repeatedly over time in the house? They can't see the washing piling up. Can the cops actually prove the child was hit with the spoon if they can't see it? They have to try and make sense out of sound. They didn't see the kicking incident, they only heard an argument.

And were audio monitors sitting off listening in real time? Possibly not.

There were a lot of other incidents. They called them “episodes” in court and some of those were thrown out. The cops had to gather a lot of evidence just to get the charges in that they have and even then they didn’t get all guilty verdicts.

The FF got off on the assault allegation.

There was a lot of evidence used to add to and compliment the audio recordings that the police had obtained.

Witnesses
Phone taps
More witnesses
Statements
Interview transcripts from witness interviews

 

[Underarrest_]

There were a lot of other incidents. They called them “episodes” in court and some of those were thrown out. The cops had to gather a lot of evidence just to get the charges in that they have and even then they didn’t get all guilty verdicts.

The FF got off on the assault allegation.

There was a lot of evidence used to add to and compliment the audio recordings that the police had obtained.

Witnesses
Phone taps
More witnesses
Statements
Interview transcripts from witness interviews

I remember your description of the tapes Wallace52. Harrowing (my words) wasn’t it?

 

[maggiethecat]

It is but it has also put doubt in my mind that it's possible.

And no, I'm no cat person.

 

[Wallace52]

I remember your description of the tapes Wallace52. Harrowing (my words) wasn’t it?

When you have seasoned crime reporters having to take sick leave because they felt physically ill hearing those tapes, that’s the level of what the court was hearing.

And Dan Box was there for some of the recordings and providing he didn’t have noise cancelling headphones on (I jest), he heard the tapes too.

But he doesn’t talk about them in his podcast. I’m sure there are suppression orders somewhere preventing them from being discussed on a podcast. Maybe.

 

[Kurve]

I'll also add there was q group that was hiding mums and their kids not that far from Kendall.
I wonder if anything happened with that group for doing that.

We've got a thread somewhere on that case. I think people went to prison from memory.

 

[Wallace52]

This is an historical article:

Detectives investigating the suspected abduction of toddler William Tyrrell have been given information about 600 persons of interest in a mammoth case that has engaged police statewide.

As the disappearance of three-year-old William from the Mid North Coast approaches its second anniversary on Monday, the sheer size and complexity of the homicide investigation behind it can be revealed.





“Of the 600 persons of interest that Strike Force Rosann detectives have in their sights, 200 have not been completely identified.”



https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...-abduction-investigation-20160906-gr9n80.html

 

[Wallace52]

We've got a thread somewhere on that case. I think people went to prison from memory.

I’m looking but I can’t get the search terms right…

 

[Kurve]

I’m looking but I can’t get the search terms right…

I had a quick look but it's elusive, buried way back. When I find it I'll post.

 

[Lady O]

Really.
He looks stocky in your opinion. The bio mother may not agree. Never dismiss the Mother, that is what we were told.

He is not looking at the camera. There is no clear picture of his face on the previous photos. He is not drawing. He is just throwing crayons or leaves. He looks thin. He has dirty feet. He can not even smile.
He is not standing up and running around with all that energy. We can not tell if he can even stand at this time. Why does he have no energy. Is there a problem with William before 9:37? Just asking the question.

Maybe they were trying to treat his behaviour issues with diet?

 

[31550]

This is an historical article:

Detectives investigating the suspected abduction of toddler William Tyrrell have been given information about 600 persons of interest in a mammoth case that has engaged police statewide.

As the disappearance of three-year-old William from the Mid North Coast approaches its second anniversary on Monday, the sheer size and complexity of the homicide investigation behind it can be revealed.





“Of the 600 persons of interest that Strike Force Rosann detectives have in their sights, 200 have not been completely identified.”



https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...-abduction-investigation-20160906-gr9n80.html

I just get annoyed reading those articles where they refer to the fosters as William's parents, even in 2016! The public were duped and would have continued to be duped to this day were it not for the brave legal challenge from Allanna Smith.

 

[passball]

I should have said office cat

 

[Wallace52]

I just get annoyed reading those articles where they refer to the fosters as William's parents, even in 2016! The public were duped and would have continued to be duped to this day were it not for the brave legal challenge from Allanna Smith.

Yeah I get that. And it just shows the importance of challenging everything we read in this case because it may be misleading.

 

[passball]

It’s a wide group and would be like looking for a needle in a haystack to identify them.
Anyway they do exist. I don’t know this from 'sleuthing.’
Im sure police have eliminated this though as they’re looking at FM.
Just interesting that you mentioned it.

I remember reading about it.
Never entered my mind that I would bring it up ever

 

[Wallace52]

It’s a wide group and would be like looking for a needle in a haystack to identify them.
Anyway they do exist. I don’t know this from 'sleuthing.’
Im sure police have eliminated this though as they’re looking at FM.
Just interesting that you mentioned it.

We know police have a list of named persons. Which is sort of the new slang for POI: Right?

I don’t know how long the list is now. We know there were and are both paedophiles and some really abhorrent men and women in the Kendall area.

It’s honestly just bad luck that the cops couldn’t pin anything on any of them.

It’s just so very ironic.

Imagine: A boy “dissapeared” by his North shore foster mum when there are so many crims around in the local area where he went missing from, and none of them can be linked to the missing child in any way.

It is just one of those things, and if William had disappeared next to a major bus route instead of a quiet semi-rural cul de sac, I’m not sure where the investigation would be at right now!
IMO

The main problem with the FM case for being innocent is the surveillance recordings that show a totally different side of her than the side we are used to seeing and hearing in the media. It’s hard to wind back the clock and start seeing her as the loving, doting foster mum again.

 

[Wallace52]

I just wanted to link Breaking Point (an episode from Where’s William Tyrrell? By Channel 10) here for anyone who hasn’t heard it.

It’s a fascinating insight into the former foster parents of William Tyrrell.

 

[Underarrest_]

We know police have a list of named persons. Which is sort of the new slang for POI: Right?

I don’t know how long the list is now. We know there were and are both paedophiles and some really abhorrent men and women in the Kendall area.

It’s honestly just bad luck that the cops couldn’t pin anything on any of them.

It’s just so very ironic.

Imagine: A boy “dissapeared” by his North shore foster mum when there are so many crims around in the local area where he went missing from, and none of them can be linked to the missing child in any way.

It is just one of those things, and if William had disappeared next to a major bus route instead of a quiet semi-rural cul de sac, I’m not sure where the investigation would be at right now!
IMO

The main problem with the FM case for being innocent is the surveillance recordings that show a totally different side of her than the side we are used to seeing and hearing in the media. It’s hard to wind back the clock and start seeing her as the loving, doting foster mum again.

It’s funny you mention this because it’s interesting that William went missing in Kendall and not Sydney.
Agree there’s red flags.
In all honesty I feel there’s more to this story. Whether it involves FPs or others I don’t know or maybe it is just that something happened at FGMs and he was disposed of by FM.

 

[Kurve]

Thread but the case has been raised in here in relation to William back in 2022.

Current - Child abductions _ Operation Noetic

AFP bust alleged child-stealing ring in NSW, Queensland and WA BY NICK DOLE Three men have been arrested over an alleged plot to help women abduct children, portray their fathers as child abusers and then hide the children from authorities. Key points: Police said the group allegedly aimed to...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Wallace52]

It’s funny you mention this because it’s interesting that William went missing in Kendall and not Sydney.
Agree there’s red flags.
In all honesty I feel there’s more to this story. Whether it involves FPs or others I don’t know or maybe it is just that something happened at FGMs and he was disposed of by FM.

Yeah I was just thinking the same thing! But the FM and FF wanted to renovate and sell their forever home in Sydney, and that may have been hard if their home became ground zero for a stranger abduction.

Easier if he goes missing in Kendall, because it didn’t impact the sale of the foster parents property in Sydney.

Something is up. Something doesn’t add up but I can’t put my finger on it.

Maybe it was a planned murder? Maybe the FF was more involved than I think , maybe it was the FGM that did something bad and the FM is covering for her mum.

Or maybe he was abducted by someone who worked for FACS or Young Hope?

There’s just something really off about this whole case.

 

[Wallace52]

Thread but the case has been raised in here in relation to William back in 2022.

Current - Child abductions _ Operation Noetic

AFP bust alleged child-stealing ring in NSW, Queensland and WA BY NICK DOLE Three men have been arrested over an alleged plot to help women abduct children, portray their fathers as child abusers and then hide the children from authorities. Key points: Police said the group allegedly aimed to...

www.bigfooty.com

Hurrah! Thank you!!!

The part about the sailing caught my interest.

I think the AFP were actually checking out some nautical records in relation to William’s case, but I don’t know the results of their inquiries.

AFP bust alleged child-stealing ring in NSW, Queensland and WA
BY NICK DOLE

Three men have been arrested over an alleged plot to help women abduct children, portray their fathers as child abusers and then hide the children from authorities.

Key points:

• Police said the group allegedly aimed to help women abduct and hide their children
• They said 10 children had been safely returned home after being abducted
• AFP Assistant Commissioner Debbie Platz said more people may have been involved without knowing it

Australian Federal Police investigators raided properties across Australia, including Dubbo and Grafton in NSW, Townsville in Queensland, and various locations in Perth.

A sailing boat was also searched.

Police said during their two-year investigation, 10 children had been safely returned after being abducted.

Five of them are linked to this particular group, police say.

Police allege a 64-year-old man, arrested in Grafton yesterday, acted as the key financier of the scheme, which aimed to help two women abduct and hide their children, in contravention of family law orders.

A 63-year old man, also arrested in Grafton, allegedly acted as the co-coordinator.

Police claim he sent money to the women and then used social media to portray the children's fathers as child abusers.

Both men will appear in Grafton Local Court today.

An 83-year old man has also been arrested in Townsville and charged over his alleged involvement.

He is due to appear in Townsville Local Court today.

Extracts»
Dr William Russell Massingham Pridgeon, a Grafton GP and the founder of the Australian Anti-Paedophile Party, which ran senate candidates in the 2016 federal election, was one of the four people arrested and charged on Wednesday morning.

It is alleged the rural doctor was the key financier and organiser of efforts assisting the two women and concealing them from authorities, in contravention of family law orders.

A second Grafton man, Patrick O'Dea, was allegedly a co-organiser of the scheme, who provided the women with money and used social media and other public forums to actively portray the fathers of their children as child abusers.
An 83-year-old Townsville man was charged for allegedly assisting the two Grafton men, while a prosecution notice was also served on a 78-year-old Perth woman.

The group is said to have used a variety of phone messaging apps to communicate and plan the alleged abductions.

Ten search warrants were executed in the NSW towns of Grafton and Dubbo on Wednesday, as well as in Townsville and Perth, at locations which included a yacht.

It is understood the group was fitting out the yacht and had concocted plans to use the yacht to covertly ferry children around the country, possibly taking them to New Zealand. However police discovered no firm plans relating to any specific children.

On Thursday The Courier-Mail reported the man took sailing lessons, and spent $140,000 to buy and fit-out the yacht, with plans to sail it to Tasmania "to help mothers and their children start a new life in New Zealand or Zimbabwe".
Read more at:
Parental abduction ring smashed after two-year AFP investigation https://www.smh.com.au/national/par...o-year-afp-investigation-20181018-p50ad6.html

This child stealing ring does not fit the MO of William’s family dynamic.

 

[Wallace52]

There were early warning signs and in more recent years proof in the year or so before FD was removed.
In normal circumstances a child would be removed from a foster situation. Instead a application for a DVO was applied for by police for a pattern of abuse, meaning it happened over and over, meaning FD was subjected to abuse over and over before being removed.
DV education is around teaching people to be able to identify DV and protect themselves from a perpetrator, removing themselves from the situation to protect them from being the victim of further abuse, eg death by strangulation.

If one is experiencing domestic violence and the perpetrator attempts strangulation and the victim does not die that time, there is a very large increase in risk of that person being a homicide victim in the future. It’s a precursor.

And that’s been said many times in this thread but a while ago.

Note: I am not saying the FF did anything bad or violent. He’s only been found guilty of stalk intimidate and has a 5 year AVO out against him regarding a female foster child (person in need of protection).

He has never been found guilty of assault.

 

[Awakening]

No not a complete surprise as Wallace52 has said. FGM knew they were coming. The alleged reason for the trip was that the FGM was soon to sell her house and the FM was to help. Also while they were visiting they were allegedly planning to visit the cemetery where the husband of the FGM was buried. (Fun family outing for the kids ). I do not know if they ever got to go to the cemetery in the end. The fosters say because of work changes they could leave earlier on Thursday afternoon rather than drive on Friday. But FF had one work call booked for Friday at 9:30 am and decided he could do it while in Kendall. So that is why he had a trip Friday morning to Lakewood, about 9 minutes away with a shopping area and pharmacy, for better phone connection. The drawing they are doing in the photo, is making cards for the husband of FGM to take to the cemetery. Though IMO, a child of 3 would have no memory of someone he saw infrequently and had died some 6 months before ,IMO.

The FGM must have been somewhat prepared as there was plenty of food for that morning breakfast. The only thing she asked FF to pick up was the paper, (even though she had been into Kendall herself on Thursday, but must have forgotten this).

I don't know if the sister of the FM was meant to come. I thought she came only after William disappeared. I assumed it was to give support and help the FGM, but i don't know.

So the surprise was they rang FGM early Thursday evening to say they had left Sydney and would be there Thursday after dark. (Refer FGM walkthrough - words to the effect: FM rang me.... FM said not to worry she would do everything).The plans were changed on that day. They had to take the cats to the cattery, and they had not been booked in.

So the thing is, no one knew William would be there that morning. Even the FGM did not know, so she could not have told anyone, unless she contacted them after 5 pm. The neighbours would not have known, Mr Spedding would not have known, The man in the u-turn car would not have known.The people at the Kendall community centre would not have known. No one could have anticipated that William at around 10 am on Friday would be FGM' house let alone in the front yard.

I have excluded the staff at the preschool and the cattery as i don't think they would have known were Benaroon Dr was.

No one may have known they were coming a day early, but plenty would have known they were coming up for the weekend.

Its possible that someone planned on abducting William that weekend and was there Friday to scope out the place but when they saw William running down to the edge of the property they seized the opportunity.

 

[Wallace52]

William could have been taken out of the country before anybody was looking at abduction, he was a missing boy on that day.

Have you heard about the case in Brisbane where a Chinese national on a visa poured boiling coffee on a baby at a park then flew back overseas before he was even positively identified by police?

Current - WANTED Man who threw boiling coffee over a baby in a random attack - Qld *Fled the country

What kind of a person targets a baby for a random attack? Police have released CCTV footage of a man wanted for questioning after boiling coffee was thrown on a baby boy at a park on Brisbane's south side. It's alleged the nine-month old baby was with his family at Hanlon Park in Stones Corner...

www.bigfooty.com

……omg I’m so stupid, where are William’s passports?

Did authorities confiscate them when he went missing?

Where is his original birth certificate?

I think it’s possible he could have been flown out the day he went missing. Definitely.

 

[Wallace52]

Has Ben been FULLY investigated???

Weird question.
Is Ben in England, anyone know?

I think he has been living in Israel.

Has Ben Atwood been ruled out as being involved??

The answer is in the file. I firmly believe that the person responsible for William’s disappearance is on the POI list. I don’t for a minute think the only POI that the cops have is the FM.