Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[31550]

Did anyone bother to do a passport check at Sydney airport for 12 September 2014?

These records are permanent - easily checked by authorities.

 

[LRitz]

Maybe they were trying to treat his behaviour issues with diet?

Well some people would avoid too much sugar, and food colouring (Though I don't know if that has ever been proved).
But a healthy diet would not make you loose weight.
Calorie restriction causes weight loss. I don't think Willian had another diagnosis (Say coeliac) but this is also possible.

There was an old woman who lived in a shoe.
She had so many children, she didn't know what to do.
She gave them some broth without any bread;
Then whipped them all soundly and put them to bed.

And then there is another line , that is not often included in the modern verse

Then out went th' old woman to bespeak 'em a coffin,
And when she came back, she found 'em all a-loffeing (a- laughing).

 

[Wallace52]

I don’t tend to kidnap kids but if I did, I wouldn’t be popping into the op shop on the day of the kidnapping to purchase clothes for my victim.

You’re boring lol

 

[Wallace52]

These records are permanent - easily checked by authorities.

How much faith do we have in law enforcement as it pertains to this case, at this point in time?

 

[31550]

How much faith do we have in law enforcement as it pertains to this case, at this point in time?

Well you got me there. But over ten years and three lead investigators, ... only would have taken one phone call to immigration to check if W's passport had any activity on it after 12 Sep 2014. Surely one of the cops on SFR got bored one day and decided to do some actual police work?

 

[Wallace52]

Well you got me there. But over ten years and three lead investigators, ... only would have taken one phone call to immigration to check if W's passport had any activity on it after 12 Sep 2014. Surely one of the cops on SFR got bored one day and decided to do some actual police work?

Doubt it, mate.

 

[31550]

What Taree group please?

The woman in clack camry refetred to by Peter the truck driver was likely the Kendall postie. She fitted the physical description and clothing as described fitted online photos of uniforms worn - black tshirt with black shorts - at Kendall PO. PO is very near opshop and she may have been doing a dropoff or pickup or just having a chat.

I think we can rule out the black camry and blonde woman now? Do we agree?

BTW postie was in Benaroon Drive at 8.45 on 12th. Jubelin stated the time.

Ah the postie!
Jubelin established the postie was there at 8:45?
So, did she deliver to FGM, Crabbs, Millers, Savage or AMS (sorry CBF typing the whole thing)?
Did she see any cars parked on Benaroon?
Did she see any kids riding bikes at FGMs?
Any vehicles in FGM driveway?
Anyone else on the street at all?

Why are the answers to these questions not in the public domain? They don't impinge on anyone's privacy.

 

[31550]

Really.
He looks stocky in your opinion. The bio mother may not agree. Never dismiss the Mother, that is what we were told.

He is not looking at the camera. There is no clear picture of his face on the previous photos. He is not drawing. He is just throwing crayons or leaves. He looks thin. He has dirty feet. He can not even smile.
He is not standing up and running around with all that energy. We can not tell if he can even stand at this time. Why does he have no energy. Is there a problem with William before 9:37? Just asking the question.

OK There's an elephant in the room when it comes to William's physical and mental state at the time of his disappearance. Nobody else seems to want to go there so, I'll just put this out there:

Behavioural indicators of physical child abuse​

In an infant or toddler:

• self-stimulatory behaviours, such as rocking or head banging
• crying excessively, or not at all
• listless and immobile, or emaciated and pale
• exhibits significant delays in gross motor development and coordination
• their parent or carer is unresponsive or impatient to child's cues and unreceptive to support.

Source

Identify signs of child abuse

Recognise the signs of child abuse, understand definitions, and know the physical and behavioural indicators.

www.vic.gov.au

 

[LRitz]

8.45am in Benaroon Drive. How long was she in Benaroon Dr for I wonder.

I also wonder why no one mentioned seeing the Postie - not even FM who is well versed in seeing cars and who I think may have said she was in the yard with William at that time, climbing a tree or something.

That time would’ve been very close to when FF left the house if he went past Tennis Courts at 9.49am ( clocked at 9.40 / reported 9 mins slow in those days )

I think you mean the Tennis court Cctv was around 8:49. And now the CCTV might have been even slower so could be even later.

At 8:45 FM alleges they are having breakfast. All the family. The FGM as well. (In the FGM walkthrough FGM is not there having breakfast until around 9:00 and the FF has left, but FGM walkthrough is not worth even mentioning in trying to make timeline). But needless to say, there is no proof what time they had breakfast, or if FF had coffee and toast.

The postie in Benaroon drive, if at 8:45 must be close to the alleged departure of the FF.
Sounds like she has been questioned over this. And we have not heard any evidence that she saw any car leaving FGM's house. So FF could have left after the postie was there. FF does not say he saw any cars in the street when he left. (that i am aware of). What would be of interest is if the postie said she saw any cars in the driveway of FGM's. But having no memory of a car would not prove anything.

 

[31550]

I think you mean the Tennis court Cctv was around 8:49. And now the CCTV might have been even slower so could be even later.

At 8:45 FM alleges they are having breakfast. All the family. The FGM as well. (In the FGM walkthrough FGM is not there having breakfast until around 9:00 and the FF has left, but FGM walkthrough is not worth even mentioning in trying to make timeline). But needless to say, there is no proof what time they had breakfast, or if FF had coffee and toast.

The postie in Benaroon drive, if at 8:45 must be close to the alleged departure of the FF.
Sounds like she has been questioned over this. And we have not heard any evidence that she saw any car leaving FGM's house. So FF could have left after the postie was there. FF does not say he saw any cars in the street when he left. (that i am aware of). What would be of interest is if the postie said she saw any cars in the driveway of FGM's. But having no memory of a car would not prove anything.

For the foster narrative to be true, the postie would need to have seen BOTH FGM and FF cars in the driveway at 48, and no other cars in the driveway. (If the 8:45 time is approximate, then FF car may have already left, or she may have passed him). She should have seen the cars that FM saw. She should probably have seen the kids riding bikes in the driveway if FF car was not there. When else could they have ridden bikes?
If there was an abductor scouting the house or planning to nab William she may have seen him/her and his/her vehicle.
It would take the postie a few minutes to go up and down Benaroon, so we are not just talking about a single instant in time - there is a window of a few minutes in which to observe people coming and going.

 

[Lady O]

Well some people would avoid too much sugar, and food colouring (Though I don't know if that has ever been proved).
But a healthy diet would not make you loose weight.
Calorie restriction causes weight loss. I don't think Willian had another diagnosis (Say coeliac) but this is also possible.

There was an old woman who lived in a shoe.
She had so many children, she didn't know what to do.
She gave them some broth without any bread;
Then whipped them all soundly and put them to bed.

And then there is another line , that is not often included in the modern verse

Then out went th' old woman to bespeak 'em a coffin,
And when she came back, she found 'em all a-loffeing (a- laughing).

I know for ADHD some will restrict a lot of "foods" that are known/suspected of making the condition worse or not being generally good for health. You mention sugar, also food colourings, bread/yeast products, salt, eggs, cereal grains etc. Sometimes the list of foods that people don't eat gets so long, they have trouble getting enough and many children are fussy with food to begin with.

 

[Lady O]

Yeah I was just thinking the same thing! But the FM and FF wanted to renovate and sell their forever home in Sydney, and that may have been hard if their home became ground zero for a stranger abduction.

Easier if he goes missing in Kendall, because it didn’t impact the sale of the foster parents property in Sydney.

Something is up. Something doesn’t add up but I can’t put my finger on it.

Maybe it was a planned murder? Maybe the FF was more involved than I think , maybe it was the FGM that did something bad and the FM is covering for her mum.

Or maybe he was abducted by someone who worked for FACS or Young Hope?

There’s just something really off about this whole case.

You don't think the sale of the Kendall property was affected by WT going missing?

 

[31550]

I know for ADHD some will restrict a lot of "foods" that are known/suspected of making the condition worse or not being generally good for health. You mention sugar, also food colourings, bread/yeast products, salt, eggs, cereal grains etc. Sometimes the list of foods that people don't eat gets so long, they have trouble getting enough and many children are fussy with food to begin with.

They took him to McDonald's.

ADHD is a complex condition which requires medical diagnosis. Not something parents or foster parents should experiment with.

 

[Underarrest_]

Ah the postie!
Jubelin established the postie was there at 8:45?
So, did she deliver to FGM, Crabbs, Millers, Savage or AMS (sorry CBF typing the whole thing)?
Did she see any cars parked on Benaroon?
Did she see any kids riding bikes at FGMs?
Any vehicles in FGM driveway?
Anyone else on the street at all?

Why are the answers to these questions not in the public domain? They don't impinge on anyone's privacy.

If the postie delivered at 8.45, the blonde lady at the op shop couldn’t have been the postie as the truckie followed this lady from Kew at 9.00.
If this ladies not the postie, I’m not sure of the relevance of seeing her.

 

[31550]

If the postie delivered at 8.45, the blonde lady at the op shop couldn’t have been the postie as the truckie followed this lady from Kew at 9.00.
If this ladies not the postie, I’m not sure of the relevance of seeing her.

Didn't realise there was ever a theory that the blonde lady was the postie? Please enlighten me how this arose.

 

[gymjam]

Ah the postie!
Jubelin established the postie was there at 8:45?
So, did she deliver to FGM, Crabbs, Millers, Savage or AMS (sorry CBF typing the whole thing)?
Did she see any cars parked on Benaroon?
Did she see any kids riding bikes at FGMs?
Any vehicles in FGM driveway?
Anyone else on the street at all?

Why are the answers to these questions not in the public domain? They don't impinge on anyone's privacy.

That detail Jubelin didnt release! Wink!

From memory the time is spoken about on the Box podcast by Box. Mostly draining to listen to IMO but there are a few very tiny bits of gold dust. Wink wink.

 

[Underarrest_]

Didn't realise there was ever a theory that the blonde lady was the postie? Please enlighten me how this arose.

I think a poster mentioned the post lady wears black top and shorts and the post office was close to the op shop. Have had it in my head the ladies probably the postie but maybe not if she delivered the mail this early. Or if she was the postie might have delivered later and maybe the car heard by the Crabbes.

 

[gymjam]

You don't think the sale of the Kendall property was affected by WT going missing?

It was delayed. The offer doc was suppisedly due to be signed the week commencing 8 Sep 2014 according to a statement by FM.

It sold in Jan 2015 to the person that had made the above offer. I consider police may have requested a sale delay?

That didnt stop FM and FF going bat out of hell speed to totally rebuild East Killara though!

Submitting alterateration request in Niv 2014 to already submitted plan. The request was to extend bedroom 1 width by a further 1.5 metres. This room is now on 2nd level of what was a one level house.

Back to Kendall ....
They then sold it later and I believe a futher sale happened after that.

 

[31550]

I think a poster mentioned the post lady wears black top and shorts and the post office was close to the op shop. Have had it in my head the ladies probably the postie but maybe not if she delivered the mail this early. Or if she was the postie might have delivered later and maybe the car heard by the Crabbes.

It seems Jubelin established the postie delivered at 8.45.
Unless the postie drove a black Camry or very similar, there is no reason to assume the postie and Peter's blonde are the same person.

 

[gymjam]

Didn't realise there was ever a theory that the blonde lady was the postie? Please enlighten me how this arose.

Came out after the trucker info became known and sounded like the local community knew all along. But hey certain investigation leader let the black car blonde woman mystery lurk for years. Wink

Here is a link to Kendall PO FB page. Scroll down nice photo. There may be others that date back to 2014. Nice bakcj tshirt! I dont normally do FB the link came up with a google ... all ... search parameter for Kendall NSW Post Office uniform 2014

https://m.facebook.com/KendallPostOffice/

 

[LRitz]

They took him to McDonald's.

ADHD is a complex condition which requires medical diagnosis. Not something parents or foster parents should experiment with.

Please take note 31550.20 November. Red letter day. We are in agreement.

 

[Underarrest_]

It was delayed. The offer doc was suppisedly due to be signed the week commencing 8 Sep 2014 according to a statement by FM.

It sold in Jan 2015 to the person that had made the above offer. I consider police may have requested a sale delay?

That didnt stop FM and FF going bat out of hell speed to totally rebuild East Killara though!

Submitting alterateration request in Niv 2014 to already submitted plan. The request was to extend bedroom 1 width by a further 1.5 metres. This room is now on 2nd level of what was a one level house.

Back to Kendall ....
They then sold it later and I believe a futher sale happened after that.

So they basically built an attic.
That’s freaky.

 

[31550]

Came out after the trucker info became known and sounded like the local community knew all along. But hey certain investigation leader let the black car blonde woman mystery lurk for years. Wink

Ok so why all the cloak and dagger stuff? And why is the postie not a POI and the FM is a POI? And where is any of this documented?

 

[LRitz]

I think a poster mentioned the post lady wears black top and shorts and the post office was close to the op shop. Have had it in my head the ladies probably the postie but maybe not if she delivered the mail this early. Or if she was the postie might have delivered later and maybe the car heard by the Crabbes.

In the good old days the postman would have blown his whistle. (It was always a he back then) That would have been helpful. So she wears a black top. Does she bring her black and white cat?

 

[31550]

Please take note 31550.20 November. Red letter day. We are in agreement.

Very difficult to disagree with people when they post the truth.