Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[shorsky]

That’s why I think it’s very possible something could have happened to him as soon as 9:38.

I can just imagine “one more photo” and then a 3 yo boy tearing off once he was free.

Agree. Ive suggested a few times I imagine the car drive could’ve commenced at 9.50 am.

What was it that FM said FGM asked about William ? Did she ask ‘has he got ADD’ or was it ‘ODD’ ?

Either way I wonder what FGM would know of those acronyms - there was no mention of those things when she was raising children. So did she ask, or is that another interesting addition to the narrative .

 

[passball]

I wonder if FM has read any Virginia Andrews books.

I thought of that too.
Very disturbing book.

 

[passball]

I have another one, William is on the verandah leaning on the rails and the rail breaks. William falls off.
FM calls someone or herself does a bodgey job to fix the rail.

So we now have a drive to Bunnings?
With that theory you would be able to see if there is à section of the rails that has been repaired

 

[passball]

If GO was there he could have left the ladder open and FGM might not have noticed.
Can a fall off a ladder cause death, not necessarily over the rails but on to the ground of the verandah?
Did they check the verandah itself ?

 

[Underarrest_]

So we now have a drive to Bunnings?
With that theory you would be able to see if there is à section of the rails that has been repaired

It looks pretty sturdy. Probably more chance of going over it.

 

[stormbird]

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The other bombshell that has not been reported that happened at the inquest last week that caused several mouths to drop, was the testimony of the truck driver. He was specifically asked if he had video of the incident. He said no. However, in his written statement, he said he did. It is interesting that he has now claimed he doesn't have video as this would most likely prove where the FM was where she said she was. Otherwise why not show it. So, we should be asking the question, have the police had a little talk with the truck driver?

Peter's call to 2GB was broadcast four days after William went missing - Ray Hadley: Desperate search for missing boy, 2GB, Tuesday 16 Sep 2014.

He said his dashcam was not turned on. My transcript from the audio file in the link (listen from about 7:26 minutes):

Peter: "... I should have got the numberplate, and I didn't have the camera on on the dashboard, either. Silly! Um, it was just one of those moments, and I was charging my battery."

 

[shorsky]

One sister for the FM.

Yep, so who answered the GO call that Thursday…. was that call verified ?

 

[passball]

It looks pretty sturdy. Probably more chance of going over it.

Would be hard for a little kid to climb with the vertical rails.
He would have to have climbed on to something, like a chair, to get over or maybe with enough speed he could jump the rail.

 

[passball]

Yep, so who answered the GO call that Thursday…. was that call verified ?

Don't forget the FM had brothers. One of their wives?
Did FM call her brothers for help on Friday 12th?

 

[shorsky]

And if he travelled (officially) on that passport there would be immigration records, vis a stamps etc. easily checked and verified.
If he travelled 'unofficially' e.g. on a fishing boat or private plane/private airfield he wouldn't need any sort of passport.

It would just be my suggestion that those travelling ‘under the radar’ often use Fake ID & documents.

Any I think this idea is both as ‘far fetched’ or ‘possible’ as any of the other theories that have been raised / are still to be raised in this extremely mystifying case.

Unless SFR has some very solid evidence of something / anything, I doubt this case will be solved. The only evidence of William being at #48 that morning are the Photos, which themselves have a haze over their full authenticity..

 

[shorsky]

So if there is a niece, there is an extended family. Niece as in FGM's daughter's daughter? Or did FGM have a son, and a DIL, who had adult children? And did they live in northern NSW?

FGM had sons, yes, and I believe they lived in her area. It’s quite possible this was a daughter-in-law, but there is no mention of her being there by FGM. Maybe as I said earlier, she took FGM shopping, but maybe FGM wasn't asked questions in detail enough to extract that information.

That’s one of the reasons I wonder if GO call was verified.

 

[Underarrest_]

I can’t see if FGM knew of an accident/something else, she wouldn’t talk about it at least eventually to someone else such as another child.
I could be wrong (I couldn’t keep it in but I wouldn’t go along with something like that neither) but this would be a lot to keep in especially if you weren’t a part of whatever happened.

 

[31550]

Peter's call to 2GB was broadcast four days after William went missing - Ray Hadley: Desperate search for missing boy, 2GB, Tuesday 16 Sep 2014.

He said his dashcam was not turned on. My transcript from the audio file in the link (listen from about 7:26 minutes):

Peter: "... I should have got the numberplate, and I didn't have the camera on on the dashboard, either. Silly! Um, it was just one of those moments, and I was charging my battery."

Most dashcams don't have batteries, they just run off the vehicle power. Those that do still recharge and continue to operate while the vehicle is running. Why have a dashcam and not have it switched on all the time, at least when you are driving? Kind of the point, don't ya reckon Pete?

 

[31550]

I can’t see if FGM knew of an accident/something else, she wouldn’t talk about it at least eventually to someone else such as another child.
I could be wrong (I couldn’t keep it in but I wouldn’t go along with something like that neither) but this would be a lot to keep in especially if you weren’t a part of whatever happened.

I think if she was in the know maybe she didn't know all the details, and probably wouldn't want to believe her family would do anything bad. She might have been sold a lie initially then realised she was an accessory after the fact. Or she could be entirely oblivious. She was told to shut up on the basis of protecting the identity of William's sister - told “it's the law“ and may have simply accepted she wasn't allowed to talk about it to anyone.
Whatever she might have told anyone is also probably subject to a NPO so she might have said stuff we don't know about.

 

[Kurve]

This is getting tiresome. Who is GO?

Please go back and edit your posts to reflect the full name or surname of GO.

 

[31550]

This is getting tiresome. Who is GO?

Assume Geoff Owen?

 

[Awakening]

You’re boring lol

Are you my 15 year old son?

 

[gymjam]

Are you saying that police were reporting their concerns of the recorded abuse by a carer of the state as it occurred (eg FF driving erratically with FD in the car) and DOCS/FACCS left FD there until FD reported alleged hands around throat?

DOCS would be the ultimate decision makers of what occurred with a child under thehir strict supervision and representing the Minister who had 'head' control. I would like to know how much contact was made between all parties and the former head of Young Hope who appears to have 'befriended' FM - attending inquest sessions with her and photographed whilst doing so! And later captured on planted police listening devices in which FM is sharing her ' clearing 40 or 50 or 200 years' rant episdes.

This former head of Salvation Army Young Hope programme held a significant position in the NSW Government in the Principal Childrens Guardian office and numerous high ranking positions all focused on child protection. https://au.linkedin.com/in/michellewhiteconsultingandtraining

I would like to know just how much communication was made with her and by all parties including NSWpol or other connected NSW Government Agencies and/or Ministers and/or their designated representatives? According to the details she has included in her Linkedin site, she has had the world of experience in protecting children. What happened in the other child's case then and what happened in William's case?

No wonder Bill Spedding is now calling for a full inquiry.

 

[31550]

in the Principal Childrens Guardian office and numerous high ranking positions all focused on child protection.

her Linkedin site, she has had the world of experience in protecting children.

I don't see her as anything other than an administrator, not an expert.

I'd suggest she has quite limited experience in hands-on child protection, and much of this has been spectacularly UNsuccessful.

When she was Director of the Salvos she tried to establish Young Hope as a new out of home care agency. William and his sister would have been one of the first cases handled by Young Hope. No experience. After 2015 Young Hope was disbanded and the Salvos discontinued providing out of home care services. So this was a failed venture.

 

[Underarrest_]

DOCS would be the ultimate decision makers of what occurred with a child under thehir strict supervision and representing the Minister who had 'head' control. I would like to know how much contact was made between all parties and the former head of Young Hope who appears to have 'befriended' FM - attending inquest sessions with her and photographed whilst doing so! And later captured on planted police listening devices in which FM is sharing her ' clearing 40 or 50 or 200 years' rant episdes.

This former head of Salvation Army Young Hope programme held a significant position in the NSW Government in the Principal Childrens Guardian office and numerous high ranking positions all focused on child protection. https://au.linkedin.com/in/michellewhiteconsultingandtraining

I would like to know just how much communication was made with her and by all parties including NSWpol or other connected NSW Government Agencies and/or Ministers and/or their designated representatives? According to the details she has included in her Linkedin site, she has had the world of experience in protecting children. What happened in the other child's case then and what happened in William's case?

No wonder Bill Spedding is now calling for a full inquiry.

I’d like to know how much contact was between all parties too and what FACCs knew about these recordings but we might never know.
Anyway FD is hopefully in a good home now.

 

[passball]

This boy has been forgotten.
SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER HAVE HAPPENED.

Look at the date.
Not a good weekend for the so called child protection agencies.

https://news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/devastated-father-demands-answers-after-son-dies-in-foster-care/news-story/0878a8b0cf266704f567e6a1e3111296

 

[js47]

I don’t tend to kidnap kids but if I did, I wouldn’t be popping into the op shop on the day of the kidnapping to purchase clothes for my victim.

Don’t laugh dumb and dumber

He already had a passport. Before he went missing!

What do we think, he travelled to Bali in 2014 on his Medicare card? On his library pass? No. He had a passport.

Yes and it would be held by the fosters. But you could get a false one he does not have to fly out. Just think child trafficking how do they move the children?

 

[gymjam]

I’d like to know how much contact was between all parties too and what FACCs knew about these recordings but we might never know.
Anyway FD is hopefully in a good home now.

I have heard she is thriving ! ):

 

[js47]

And if he travelled (officially) on that passport there would be immigration records, vis a stamps etc. easily checked and verified.
If he travelled 'unofficially' e.g. on a fishing boat or private plane/private airfield he wouldn't need any sort of passport.

Not to get out of the country but what about arrivals?

 

[31550]

Not to get out of the country but what about arrivals?

Depends where he landed and how he travelled. I guess it's theoretically possible to fly to a private landing strip, or for a boat to cross international waters and make landfall in a secluded spot. But the whole suggestion is pretty wild IMO.