Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[Underarrest_]

Except for the lack of scent trail detected by sniffer dogs.
And the FM account that William was only gone 5 minutes.
And Donoghue only drove to his own house, 200 metres short of FGM house.
And Donoghue had no time or place to hide William without being detected. Or motive for hiding him.
So still no cars or people in the area that did not live there or belong there, which is the suggestion.

I don’t know what police have on the FM/FPs, but looking at the google picture it’s clear that anyone turning into Ellendale could have had a clear view of William if he was at the end of the slope in the yard. Easy to drive up, turn around and go for a little drive. FM said she wasn’t sure as 5 mins can be longer.

 

[jason_recliner]

I don’t know what police have on the FM/FPs, but looking at the google picture it’s clear that anyone turning into Ellendale could have had a clear view of William if he was at the end of the slope in the yard. Easy to drive up, turn around and go for a little drive. FM said she wasn’t sure as 5 mins can be longer.

Yup.

The police have nothing or next to nothing on William's *formers foster parents IMO, or they would have been charged.

 

[31550]

SC Hudson was not at work. Why would she get call about someone missing? And another child on the same day? Maybe it was just her kids calling her. Why would he be overhearing this conversation anyway?
And as you say, why is this the reason he left the tennis club? Yes lets assume or hope they did search. Even with confusion of CCTv and his reporting it puts him back in Benaroon at a critical time frame.

Not a missing child. A call about a child. As a community police worker, Wendy could have been involved with any number of children at the time on a professional basis. We don't have to be so cynical about everything.

 

[Underarrest_]

Yup.

The police have nothing or next to nothing on William's * former foster parents IMO, or they would have been charged.

I hope police have established where all of the neighbours/people travelling the streets were because this is bizarre.

 

[31550]

I don’t know what police have on the FM/FPs, but looking at the google picture it’s clear that anyone turning into Ellendale could have had a clear view of William if he was at the end of the slope in the yard. Easy to drive up, turn around and go for a little drive. FM said she wasn’t sure as 5 mins can be longer.

Rubbish. See I can do that too.
Nobody including Donoghue had any REASON to be driving up the top of Benaroon at that time. Donoghue was just coming home from tennis. He is not a CSO. There's not a scrap of evidence that he is involved in any way.

 

[31550]

Yup.

The police have nothing or next to nothing on William's * former foster parents IMO, or they would have been charged.

I wouldn't say they have nothing. They have plenty. But clearly not enough to lay charges at this stage. They are either missing a key piece of evidence or they are 'missing' a key piece of evidence - i.e. not looking at something correctly, or overlooking something, or not assembling the facts correctly. The answer is in the file.

 

[Underarrest_]

Rubbish. See I can do that too.
Nobody including Donoghue had any REASON to be driving up the top of Benaroon at that time. Donoghue was just coming home from tennis. He is not a CSO. There's not a scrap of evidence that he is involved in any way.

Haha,
It’s only rubbish if police are certain it’s FM/FPs and have the evidence (which they might.)
Otherwise it’s very clear anyone could have seen William and abducted him. Anyone going in and out of those streets.

 

[gymjam]

Nothing about, if all the phones are gone, no one can ring out until she returns?

There was a 2nd phone hooked to same landline in foster grandmothers bedroom. I don't know if that was a cordless variety as the one in the dining room was. You can see the dining room one in the walkthrough video.

 

[alwaysintrigued]

Like you, I wasn't there for all of it last week.

Which might explain why I asked at least one question in here about a particular inquest hot topic, as though I wasn't there, because I wasn't there (at the inquest) when the answer to my question was heard at the inquest.

So which "hot topic" were you not there for?

Hmm, so how did you know to ask the question/s than, if nothing had been reported in the media & you weren't there??

Why did you not just say you attended & answer questions that posters have had? , instead you basically told me to put up or shut up when I failed to respond to questions, apparently in a timely fashion.

What days were you there?

Questions you had no need to ask me to answer ( to ask the questions you did, had to have had knowledge of what was asked & said at the inquest in Thursday )

So you mentioned the text question, the drop cloths, the keys & the phones ( all not reported in the media AFAIAA )

not

Who said what in court?

That poster who claimed they were present in the inquest yesterday hasn’t put up when asked.

They just shut up.

I heard the NSW CC grilled her on why she deleted at least one text the day William is reported to have gone missing (the one from the the FF saying he would be home in 5 minutes).

alwaysintrigued can you please confirm what you heard on Thursday at the inquest re the above?

At the inquest on Thursday, in the 2021 NSW Crime Commission Recordings, the Foster Mother was asked something like either whether the FGM car was already unlocked that morning, or whether the FGM normally leaves the car unlocked.

Maybe alwaysintrigued can help us out on the details here of both the NSW Crime Commission question, and the Foster Mother's reply.

So how come none of the media appear to have reported/published on things like the mention of the drops sheets, and the questioning of the foster mother about the FGM's car locked/unlocked situation?

I got a sense that the question was probably asked to see how the FM reacted to and responded to any questions asked about the garage.

I'm struggling to recall and don't have a written record of how far apart the drop sheets discussion was from the car keys discussion in the NSW Crime Commission recording played on Thursday at the inquest.

alwaysintrigued
What's your recollection or notes have recorded from Thursday last week at the inquest when in the 2021 NSW Crime Commission recording, the Foster Mother was questioned about something like her maybe having taken 3 phones with her on that claimed single car trip to look for William?
1. FM's mobile
2. FGM's mobile
3. The fixed line phone in the FGM's home.
Maybe it isn't of much importance seeing as how the media does not appear to have reported on it yet .

I faintly recall that something like this might have been mentioned in a podcast? ages ago.

 

[jason_recliner]

Rubbish. See I can do that too.
Nobody including Donoghue had any REASON to be driving up the top of Benaroon at that time. Donoghue was just coming home from tennis. He is not a CSO. There's not a scrap of evidence that he is involved in any way.

I'm not for one second implying Donohue abducted William. Lots of people could have done it.

 

[alwaysintrigued]

Except for the lack of scent trail detected by sniffer dogs.
And the FM account that William was only gone 5 minutes.
And Donoghue only drove to his own house, 200 metres short of FGM house.
And Donoghue had no time or place to hide William without being detected. Or motive for hiding him.
So still no cars or people in the area that did not live there or belong there, which is the suggestion.

The whole place was trampled over by 100's of people, dogs, horses etc & the police dog did not arrive for hours as they came from Newcastle.

The FM has accepted it was probably longer than 5mins.

As much time as the FM had IMO

 

[Lady O]

Why?

If that was my son, I would have tossed and turned all night and barely slept. I would get up as soon as I could (dawn) and feel the need to do something practical - keep looking. I wouldn't care what the police had told me, or what medical episode I had experienced, I would get up and go and search.

Would have been a lot more worrying if he had a bit of a sleep-in and acted normal. That would indicate he felt it was pointless to search because he knew he wasn't there.

If you had bothered to READ the post I was replying to: - below

You would think someone who had a medical episode just hours before would be advised to stay home and rest.

You would see that I was saying that IF he had a medical episode, he "would be advised to stay home and rest" and I suggested and not go out into the bush alone and search for WT.

Nobody cares what you would do!

 

[31550]

I'm not for one second implying Donohue abducted William. Lots of people could have done it.

I am saying that anyone who abducted William would have had to drive up Benaroon Drive far enough to see William and grab him from the property.
I am saying that very few people had a reason to be in Benaroon drive then and there.
I am saying that almost nobody would drive up there without a reason.
I am saying that the window of time available to grab William would have been quite short.

So no, "lots of people" could not have done it. It would have taken an exceptional person at an exceptional time in an exceptional place.

To be a person who firstly would abduct a 3YO boy on an impulse in broad daylight.
For that person to 'happen to be' driving up a dead-end street in a fairly remote rural neighbourhood.
And for nobody to hear or see this person long enough to identify them.
And to get away with it for ten years, and dispose of the body where it would never be found.
And for nobody to suspect this person enough to come forward despite a $1M reward being on offer.

Can't accept that being the 'most likely' explanation when there are so many unanswered questions about more probable scenarios.

 

[truecrimepath]

Does anyone think the FF text was deleted because it may have shown a different time when it was opened? Maybe after she turned her phone on.

 

[gymjam]

Except for the lack of scent trail detected by sniffer dogs.
And the FM account that William was only gone 5 minutes.
And Donoghue only drove to his own house, 200 metres short of FGM house.
And Donoghue had no time or place to hide William without being detected. Or motive for hiding him.that what I find
So still no cars or people in the area that did not live there or belong there, which is the suggestion.

That

Does anyone think the FF text was deleted because it may have shown a different time when it was opened? Maybe after she turned her phone on.

I personally don't think so. Didn't she say at some very early stage that she knew he had texted her but didn't read the text?

If his 'back in 5' text was sent using the Suri system in his vehicle would that make a difference. I am really not certain how that system worked back then or even today. Any advice on this would be appreciated.

He had an iPhone didn't he?

 

[Wallace52]

Yup.

The police have nothing or next to nothing on William's * former foster parents IMO, or they would have been charged.

The foster father is not even a suspect.

There’s still a week of the inquest remaining. Plenty of time to charge after the inquest if the ODPP chooses to charge.

 

[gymjam]

There was one thing I was told years ago and that is it is possible back then that a phone with sim card removed could still log onto internet and searches are possible. Made me wonder what else was possible and what forensic examination might not pickup.

 

[gymjam]

The foster father is not even a suspect.

There’s still a week of the inquest remaining. Plenty of time to charge after the inquest if the OFPP chooses to charge.

I meant to say something about the scenting. What would happen if the item chosen to set the scent dog have to contain William's scent and DNA. What would happen if it didn't actually contain William's scent and that is why no tracable scent trail was discovered? Would that item later be subjected to a DNA analysis to ascertain the item actually belonged to William?

I am aware the foster mother volunteered at the Kendall op shop and wonder if a newly obtained 2nd hand item was used in error. I think I have read somewhere it was mentioned some toys stored at 48 Benaroon had been purchased from the op shop.

Edit. Sorry ...should read I am aware the foster grandmother volunteered at the op shop

 

[jason_recliner]

I am saying that anyone who abducted William would have had to drive up Benaroon Drive far enough to see William and grab him from the property.
I am saying that very few people had a reason to be in Benaroon drive then and there.
I am saying that almost nobody would drive up there without a reason.
I am saying that the window of time available to grab William would have been quite short.

So no, "lots of people" could not have done it. It would have taken an exceptional person at an exceptional time in an exceptional place.

To be a person who firstly would abduct a 3YO boy on an impulse in broad daylight.
For that person to 'happen to be' driving up a dead-end street in a fairly remote rural neighbourhood.
And for nobody to hear or see this person long enough to identify them.
And to get away with it for ten years, and dispose of the body where it would never be found.
And for nobody to suspect this person enough to come forward despite a $1M reward being on offer.

Can't accept that being the 'most likely' explanation when there are so many unanswered questions about more probable scenarios.

Nup.

My detailed response explaining / justifying "nup" seems to have been deleted?

 

[Kurve]

Nup.

My detailed response explaining / justifying "nup" seems to have been deleted?

Read the sticky first then do it again thanks.

 

[Wallace52]

I am aware the foster mother volunteered at the Kendall op shop and wonder if a newly obtained 2nd hand item was used in error.

No, she didn’t volunteer at the Kendall Op Shop.

 

[Wallace52]

Does anyone think the FF text was deleted because it may have shown a different time when it was opened? Maybe after she turned her phone on.

I think she was just feeling stressed and paranoid and she didn’t really know why she did it.

MOO

 

[Wallace52]

I'm not for one second implying Donohue abducted William. Lots of people could have done it.

The inquest is not following an abduction theory.

Not any more.

 

[jason_recliner]

The inquest is not following an abduction theory.

Not any more.

The inquest is trying to determine what happened to William. Where has anybody implied he was not abducted? (I have not been attending)

 

[jason_recliner]

Read the sticky first then do it again thanks.

Ok, the issue is I referred to his foster parents as his parents? I believe our parents are those that raise us, spend time with us, sacrifice for us, provide us security and opportunity. Not necessarily those who gave us DNA. Nevertheless...

Could have been on Ellendale. And there was a property for sale on Benaroon. And there's a 4WD track at the end of it. And there are plenty of sick people out there, including an unusually high number of them in Kendall. Frank Abbott anybody? And we know there were many cars driving around the area. Could have been lots of people.

Far more likely some random got away with it than the foster parents who have been campaigning for him for a decade.