Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[31550]

"Searching for Karlie", episode 2, Witness: William Tyrrell, 14 Oct 2024

https://omny.fm/shows/witness/searching-for-karlie-2

"Description: William’s birth family, and the decision to take him away."

How is any of this relevant?
Shouldn't the current focus be finding out what happened to William?

 

[Lady O]

Don't know enough to say for certain if it could. Seems reasonable.

Ive looked at that photo again..please have a look..it seems to me that in addition to the soft shadow there are shadows from the planter legs coming straight back at the photographer.. The Michelle White shot shows what seems to me is an outdoor light 8' high on that brick wall toward the carport.

If the light remained on though sun was up it would definitely affect shadow composition and explain those shadows in particular

This? I didn't know what it was. Yes, it certainly could have cast a shadow. I expect it was a security light, movement operated to show the way from the carport to the back door of the house.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

This? I didn't know what it was. Yes, it certainly could have cast a shadow. I expect it was a security light, movement operated to show the way from the carport to the back door of the house.

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Yes. That's the one. Looks like the place for a light..can't think what else it may be.
I'm hesitant though ever since I was trying to convince everyone that a bird picture on the kitchen wall was a clock

 

[BFew]

If the light remained on though sun was up it would definitely affect shadow composition and explain those shadows in particular

Maybe William and/or his sister liked to play around with light switches.

 

[truecrimepath]

It’s unfortunate we can’t see William’s face in the photos taken at McDonalds the night before he went missing.
That would provide a good comparison to the photos said to be taken that morning on the patio /deck.

It's unfortunate it is not clearer. You wonder whether the police have got a clearer version and have degraded this one. His facial outline does look different to me. I don't think William looks anything like his 3rd birthday shot in the Iconic photo. It is one of the reasons, I started looking at the photos.

 

[truecrimepath]

How is any of this relevant?
Shouldn't the current focus be finding out what happened to William?

It is about casting doubt in the publics mind. PR firm involved IMHO.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Maybe William and/or his sister liked to play around with light switches.

If Lady O is right it may be a security light motion detector activated In which case it would go on whenever they entered the field perimeter

 

[truecrimepath]

The strongest secondary light source in the Iconic photo is the back lit wall. That's why you are seeing the shadows towards the photographer from the furniture. Even accounting for all potential light sources, the shadows are still in the wrong direction. If the FM had applied a filter of some sort to the photo and photoshopped it, I could believe it. The problem is that the light and shadows on the FGM clothing (slacks) could not have happened at that time as the sun is shining on it directly at 9.37 am. The shadow under her legs should be further over. The shadow of the planter pot is also the wrong direction (not the strong one).

When you have to make all sorts of excuses whether it be the moon, a sensor light etc to justify the photo, it's best to remember Ocham's razor; The simplest explanation is the most likely.

 

[Awakening]

“Raw” version of photos

 

[31550]

It is about casting doubt in the publics mind. PR firm involved IMHO.

Of course, but it's not the public who are entrusted with determining William's cause of death. That is now up to the coroner. I would like to think that the coroner will confine herself to the facts and evidence, not public opinion.

 

[31550]

“Raw” version of photos

Well, as close as we will get to 'raw' I suppose. But we don't know what camera settings were used here (flash/noflash), light settings, aperture, exposure, white balance, ISO, etc. etc. And we don't know for sure that these photos haven't been processed in some way. The images have been reproduced - converted from digital to analog if you like. Even printing a raw image can change it somewhat. We should not presume we are 'seeing' the exact scene the way it appeared to the photographer. Grain of salt.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

There has been quite a bit of discussion around WTs Spiderman suit .Someone mentioned (can't remember who) that GJ originally suspected PS because he mentioned the white on the back of the suit when it wasn't there in GJs version.

Is it possible that PS actually saw WT on a prior occassion (eg his birthday) to know about the white spider OR he actually saw him that day? How else would he know William's had such a white figure? Not necessarily incriminating but your subconscious mind recalls what you've seen before in context.

“Raw” version of photos

There most definitely are two shadows off those planter legs. The early part of shadow towards the photographer is quite dark and was why TCP said was the leg off the ground. No. It was very dark shadow possibly from that light.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The strongest secondary light source in the Iconic photo is the back lit wall. That's why you are seeing the shadows towards the photographer from the furniture. Even accounting for all potential light sources, the shadows are still in the wrong direction. If the FM had applied a filter of some sort to the photo and photoshopped it, I could believe it. The problem is that the light and shadows on the FGM clothing (slacks) could not have happened at that time as the sun is shining on it directly at 9.37 am. The shadow under her legs should be further over. The shadow of the planter pot is also the wrong direction (not the strong one).

When you have to make all sorts of excuses whether it be the moon, a sensor light etc to justify the photo, it's best to remember Ocham's razor; The simplest explanation is the most likely.

When you have multiple diffused lights, shadows cast in different directions an element of natural diffused light reflected under the roof from the bright reflected wall and a question whether a motion detector light was on creating the most prominent shadow and the effect we now know exists of overcast splaying of shadow the simplest explanation isn't any random choice. In fact you are trying to displace what has been promoted...they were taken that day which is the simplest choice. For me, at least, there is enough doubt from all these things to resist temptation to accept shadow direction.

 

[stormbird]

How is any of this relevant?
Shouldn't the current focus be finding out what happened to William?

Dan Box in episode 1: Mistaken (from about 8:55 minutes, transcript by omny.fm, bolded by me):

"It's been ten years now since William disappeared, and he's still missing. So in this series we're going to look at the case in a way that it hasn't been looked at before. We're not trying to find William, but what we are going to do is try to find out why it's taken police ten years to find him and they still haven't done it. We're going to look at what they've done right and what they've done wrong, and we're going to see how those decisions would come to damage the lives of so many people in ways that no one talks about."

 

[31550]

There has been quite a bit of discussion around WTs Spiderman suit .Someone mentioned (can't remember who) that GJ originally suspected PS because he mentioned the white on the back of the suit when it wasn't there in GJs version.

Is it possible that PS actually saw WT on a prior occassion (eg his birthday) to know about the white spider OR he actually saw him that day? How else would he know William's had such a white figure? Not necessarily incriminating but your subconscious mind recalls what you've seen before in context.

I think PS mentioned white on the Spiderman suit because the suit that Jubelin planted in an effort to entrap PS had white on it.

 

[31550]

Dan Box in episode 1: Mistaken (from about 8:55 minutes, transcript by omny.fm, bolded by me):

"It's been ten years now since William disappeared, and he's still missing. So in this series we're going to look at the case in a way that it hasn't been looked at before. We're not trying to find William, but what we are going to do is try to find out why it's taken police ten years to find him and they still haven't done it. We're going to look at what they've done right and what they've done wrong, and we're going to see how those decisions would come to damage the lives of so many people in ways that no one talks about."

That's a matter for a Parliamentary enquiry, not the police or coroner, or media to pursue.
Let's find what happened to William first. Then look at the police. Priorities.
Box accuses the police of going off half-cocked, or not investigating all angles, but then does exactly the same thing himself.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I think PS mentioned white on the Spiderman suit because the suit that Jubelin planted in an effort to entrap PS had white on it.

Someone here earlier posted the exact opposite. He used a suit without white trying to entrap him and he referred to the white on the suit which wasn't there.

I'll check to try and locate

 

[Lady O]

I think PS mentioned white on the Spiderman suit because the suit that Jubelin planted in an effort to entrap PS had white on it.

No, that's not correct. The spiderman suit (below) they planted was red and blue. The fact that PS said the white caught his eye as he walked past was one of the reasons Jubelin suspected him of being involved, because the photo of WT showing the white spider on the back had not been released.

 

[31550]

No, that's not correct. The spiderman suit (below) they planted was red and blue. The fact that PS said the white caught his eye as he walked past was one of the reasons Jubelin suspected him of being involved, because the photo of WT showing the white spider on the back had not been released.
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Apologies. Yes the actual suit had a white back and the planted one did not. The question is whether Savage knew about the white, and if so, how he knew. Is there evidence that Savage actually said "white", without being prompted? Of course, FGM or someone else in the know may have told him the suit had a white back.

 

[BFew]

If Lady O is right it may be a security light motion detector activated In which case it would go on whenever they entered the field perimeter

Only if it was a crap one that couldn't be adjusted to only come on in evenings/night-time, or in certain light conditions.

 

[Eaglette01]

William Tyrrell’s grandmother reveals she ‘hid’ boy

William Tyrrell’s grandmother said she ‘arranged’ for the boy to go into hiding the first time he was reported missing.

thenightly.com.au

Speaking to the Witness: William Tyrrell podcast, Ms Collins said she “hid them for three months” after she learned state government officials were “going to take William”.
“I arranged it all,” she said.
That first disappearance caused police to set up a dedicated strike force to find William, who was seven months old at the time.
“I should have taken him myself … Then no one would have been able to take him off me. That’s what I should have done,” Ms Collins told the podcast.
The court ordered William to be taken from his biological parents, Brendan Collins and Karlie Tyrrell, in February 2012.

14 Oct 2024
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IMHO - with all that had gone on before ^ it's no wonder this has case has been stuffed up from the very start.

 

[shorsky]

I think she did go for a drive and that a truck driver did see her.

There’s no reason for her to say she went in the car to look for WT with the oddly specific information that a truck driver saw her with her head out the window if she never did.

To me this story is to provide an excuse for why she was throwing something out the window or why she’d pulled over, in case the truck driver came forward with what he’d seen.

She only told this story during the walk through video. It’s not in her statement, it’s not been mentioned again.

I think she told this story when she did because this was around the time police were stopping all cars in and out of Kendall to ask if they’d seen any suspicious vehicles or people acting suspiciously.

I think FM panicked and realised someone may came forward because she was behaving suspiciously.

I think when the coroner stopped the inquest and the police said they’d received new info and it started going in the fosters direction it was because the truck driver had come forward.

If this driver was interstate or just not from the area I doubt he would come forward. For what reason? There was nothing about looking for FGM’s car and no one knew what FM looked like. Why would he think anything of a woman on the side of the road?

Who knows maybe he told Crimestoppers and no one followed it up because the cops weren’t looking at FM.

Just because we are obsessed with this case, many are not. They may have heard of it, but I’m surprised by the number of people who still think it was the washing repairman guy.

I’m surprised by the number of people who have never heard of William Tyrrell But there’s a big lot of people who don’t watch the news or read newspapers etc.

Like you I think it quite possible that she did go for a drive - however I do wonder as to the whereabouts of that drive, and the timing of it, since no one else has spoken of it. Neighbours didn’t appear to hear her go out nor her calling out for William while searching in the yard. First was when she knocked on AMS door wasn’t it ?

People who know the area have suggested there would not be big trucks on the road she spoke of - so that puts some things in question for me too

 

[shorsky]

Do you think that this is a good time to be making these claims. Bad decision IMO to be kicking the hornets nest before the coronial inquest.

Do you think it’s actually kicking the hornets nest, or is it perhaps getting in first with some extra layers of protection??

 

[shorsky]

Classes for parents also requires resources which are in high demand and short supply. But I agree with the concept - put more resources into equipping parents to care for their biological children better and more properly, rather than breaking up families, and assigning kids to a 'system' which is inherently broken, and perpetuates a cycle of domestic breakdown. (Children in foster care often go on to have broken relationships, and children of their own who go into care ...).

My personal experience was fostering a young child where the bio mum had several children in different care situations, so there were multiple foster families, multiple case workers, all providing care, regularly driving the kids around so they could meet each other and their mum and to different schools etc. Meanwhile, mum struggled with an intellectual disability and some other 'issues'. But, for the same money, the Department could have placed an in-house carer/social worker with Mum, to help her with basic parenting duties (and keep her on the 'straight and narrow'). And the kids could all have remained together as a family. We cared for the child as best we could, but I think on balance they suffered mentally and psychologically from all this disconnect from bio family.

Unfortunately & sadly I have to agree with your comments 31550.

Children are the foundation of the next generation, yet our youth are in turmoil, at every stage of their development.

The closer we come to voting time the more frustrated I become with the ‘system’ that plays god-almighty over what becomes of our society, yet is so out of touch, financially lacking in decisions (as you illustrated) and so disconnected in its departments, that there’s little hope for change.
Both major parties are as bad as each other, and all delegates at that level are puppets on strings so have to toe the party line to keep their jobs / $$

Someone said to me the other day ‘ they’re all as bad as each other so I’m not going to vote!’. I had to remind them that the only person that would impact was themselves, as they would be fined.

I think it’s a fake democracy when the people genuinely can’t make a difference.

Does anyone else feel this frustration with our political parties / our Gov or I being ridiculous ?


(sorry - didn’t mean to hijack the thread to politics - but I do think William was / is an terribly sad byproduct of all that’s broken, and which is only getting so much worse )