Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[BFew]

I noticed the EXIF was A very old version. (2.21).

Posting evidence that had you conclude this would be useful.

Any reason you only mentioned this just now in here (unless I missed something from you in an earlier post)?

 

[js47]

You can also drive down beside the school towards Heron Creek

I did not finish drive down beside the school toward Herons Creek turn right go past tip and put onto the highway.
FGM and FGF lived in Kendall for 20 plus years so FM would know the area well, she probably drove around with her parents everywhere. FF said he rode his bike around I know all the trails .
Also! There are photos of the patio with the FGM car in the carport and I am sure there is a LR (FD) Parked beside it (I have one so I recognised the shape). Outside there is a red car.
Therefore you would see a car on that part of the road perhaps from the patio.

 

[truecrimepath]

Posting evidence that had you conclude this would be useful.

Any reason you only mentioned this just now in here (unless I missed something from you in an earlier post)?

Because I am sick of people not discussing the issues and playing the man and being rude. I suggested this exact scenario way back. I certainly have discussed EXIF in detail. I have tried to show people the evidence. A lot a people know everything yet observe nothing. There appears to be an excuse given for everything, I post is wrong. The person I am replying to has not participated in this behaviour. Attention to detail is what solves these cases. So the police can check the EXIF version on the camera and if it is 2.3 then it is a fake.

It's the one the police released on September 13, 2014.




I can upload the photo but you may have to go to the site and download the photo yourself to view the EXIF.

It is possible the grandfather took the photo with their camera which was not purchased in Bali. The FM may have stuffed up here pretending it was taken with her camera. The photo was most likely downloaded at 7.30 am. on to her camera. The EXIF version does not change when you download the image.

Components Configuration: 1, 2, 3, 0
Date Time Original: 13 Sep 2014 at 9:52:10 AM
Exif Version: 2.2.1
FlashPix Version: 1.0
Pixel X Dimension: 467
Pixel Y Dimension: 378
Scene Capture Type: Standard

 

[js47]

LRitz there US evidence of William’s behaviour watch FGM’s walk through she mentions he was throwing the dice, he was taking over conversations. That does not make him naughty. But it was annoying enough for the FGM to mention it.
What does the FM gain to mention the fight over toys. What does she gain to say he would not let them sleep in. What does she gain to tell that she explained to FGM that is what boys do. What does she gain to say he was annoying the FF. What does she gain to tell us William crashed his bike.
Why is there narrative about his behaviour at all?

 

[stormbird]

I wonder whether the FF phone was left on and could its journey have been tracked. Given there was no cell phone tower in Kendall. it may be difficult to track anyway. Cell phone tower was put in after he went missing anyway.

truecrimepath, post 249 (current thread) by me mentioned tower dumps and had a link to post 6,836 (previous thread) by NRL Fan which described the phone location information available in 2014.

My question in the post you replied to was about something else, obviously:

"Re: "no neighbours saw [FF] leave..."
Is there a source for this please? Is there information somewhere about which vehicle movements were witnessed by neighbours?"

A number of people here have said that no neighbours saw this or that vehicle - so where are they getting that information? Or are they just making it up?

 

[js47]

Because I am sick of people not discussing the issues and playing the man and being rude. I suggested this exact scenario way back. I certainly have discussed EXIF in detail. I have tried to show people the evidence. A lot a people know everything yet observe nothing. There appears to be an excuse given for everything, I post is wrong. The person I am replying to has not participated in this behaviour. Attention to detail is what solves these cases. So the police can check the EXIF version on the camera and if it is 2.3 then it is a fake.

It's the one the police released on September 13, 2014.


View attachment 2151533

I can upload the photo but you may have to go to the site and download the photo yourself to view the EXIF.

It is possible the grandfather took the photo with their camera which was not purchased in Bali. The FM may have stuffed up here pretending it was taken with her camera. The photo was most likely downloaded at 7.30 am. on to her camera. The EXIF version does not change when you download the image.

Components Configuration: 1, 2, 3, 0
Date Time Original: 13 Sep 2014 at 9:52:10 AM
Exif Version: 2.2.1
FlashPix Version: 1.0
Pixel X Dimension: 467
Pixel Y Dimension: 378
Scene Capture Type: Standard

TCP what you have been explaining IS very interesting. This thread is important. We all have different areas of expertise. Therefore! Some of us are not able join in. We realise what you are saying. Can you discuss this with the investigators and get back to us on the outcome. I for one would be very interested in how they manage the information.

 

[js47]

TCP does the pixel change for different photos? Or stay the same on every one on that camera?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Because I am sick of people not discussing the issues and playing the man and being rude. I suggested this exact scenario way back. I certainly have discussed EXIF in detail. I have tried to show people the evidence. A lot a people know everything yet observe nothing. There appears to be an excuse given for everything, I post is wrong. The person I am replying to has not participated in this behaviour. Attention to detail is what solves these cases. So the police can check the EXIF version on the camera and if it is 2.3 then it is a fake.

It's the one the police released on September 13, 2014.


View attachment 2151533

I can upload the photo but you may have to go to the site and download the photo yourself to view the EXIF.

It is possible the grandfather took the photo with their camera which was not purchased in Bali. The FM may have stuffed up here pretending it was taken with her camera. The photo was most likely downloaded at 7.30 am. on to her camera. The EXIF version does not change when you download the image.

Components Configuration: 1, 2, 3, 0
Date Time Original: 13 Sep 2014 at 9:52:10 AM
Exif Version: 2.2.1
FlashPix Version: 1.0
Pixel X Dimension: 467
Pixel Y Dimension: 378
Scene Capture Type: Standard
Version Release Date Changes
1.0 October 1995 Removed dependencies to io package
1.1 May 1997
2.0 November 1997 License change to MIT license
2.1 December 1998
2.2 April 2002 Added HEIC support
2.21 September 2003 Addition of "Exif Print"
2.21 (unified version) September 2009
2.3 April 2010
2.3 (revised) December 2012
2.31 July 2016
2.32 May 2019
3.0 May 2023 UTF-8 data

So let me get this right. The version on images was 2.21 released 2009..there have been at least 2 further software upgrades since then the most recent of which was 2.3 Dec 12. I ASSUME the software comes with the camera?..The manufacturer would pair to a software supplier. That won't necessarily be the current version but it's likely the specs were outlined with product material also ASSUMED. We therefore have multiple reasons that could create this situation. A pairing that continued use of old version software..Not impossible..A camera that had long shelf life and therefore once again old software.

Did you look at the logistics of these issues to determine whether the software could be in that Bali camera?

People won't discuss anything in detail which they see as a dead end. I believe that bio parents and child care workers would know positively whether the photo was a current William or one months or even a year old. They would know..Given I believe that, all the talk of teeth, age development, body measurements, flowers, even light/ shadow analysis doesn't excite me. Irrelevant. That said the issue of whether edits occurred IS relevant to anyone that thinks 9.37 is dubious to commit the crime/ accident. Don't get your knickers in a knot if you push something that doesn't attract attention. Just is. Deal with it..

IF, however, you can contribute regarding the edits per se then different matter

 

[truecrimepath]

TCP does the pixel change for different photos? Or stay the same on every one on that camera?

Depends on the camera and whether the settings were changed. There is little time to do this between photos. It won't change the EXIF format or the compression used. You will notice the flash pix version 1 in the exif. This is an old format. It was developed by Kodak in 1995. It is what compresses the image for storage. It was present on iPhones up to 2010 which also used version 2.21. It was discontinued because it was not very efficient. This too suggests an old camera as well. Just does not have the correct resolution . I am unsure which camera took these photos. There is not indicative of a brand new camera.

 

[BFew]

It was present on iPhones up to 2010 which also used version 2.21. It was discontinued because it was not very efficient. This too suggests an old camera as well.

Or an iPhone?

 

[Wallace52]

William's foster carers were far better and more worthy parents than the biologicals, from everything I have read. Maybe there is information we haven't seen but as it stands they were his parents.

Why were they called former female foster carer and former male foster carer at the inquest into his disappearance if they are his parents?

 

[31550]

The photos at 9:30 give an alibi for FF. What if, at an earlier time that morning, they change the camera to 7:30 (knowing that it will be corrected by 2 hours to 9:30). Take the photos. Reset the camera to factory settings, which could delete information or photos stored within the camera itself, and then reset to the original Bali time plus xx seconds.

They would have known the original time setting on the camera.
Both FM and FF knew how to use digital cameras( even if the instruction book had been lost).
FM showed the photos on the camera to Wendy Hudson at the house on 12th Sept- this would be before they were downloaded and ( as I guess) would have been stored on the memory stick in the camera. The police COULD have taken the camera that day. I think they took the camera a few days later but have no reference so happy to be corrected.

....FM "remembered that she had taken photos of William that morning on the deck in his
Spiderman outfit and showed me photo's on her camera....."

That is (IMO) a ridiculously convoluted, unnecessary and risky approach, which would have been exposed by forensic investigation of the camera, photos and location. If police had any evidence that this had happened, charges would already have been laid.

 

[truecrimepath]

Or an iPhone?

Except Apple is very good at upgrading its phones. It's hard to believe the phone software was not upgraded in 4 years. I think it is an old camera.

 

[LRitz]

LRitz there US evidence of William’s behaviour watch FGM’s walk through she mentions he was throwing the dice, he was taking over conversations. That does not make him naughty. But it was annoying enough for the FGM to mention it.
What does the FM gain to mention the fight over toys. What does she gain to say he would not let them sleep in. What does she gain to tell that she explained to FGM that is what boys do. What does she gain to say he was annoying the FF. What does she gain to tell us William crashed his bike.
Why is there narrative about his behaviour at all?

Yes. Why details about things that IMO have little impact on how or when William went missing? Wheat bix and orange juice. Then important details become a "blur".
These things she said may or may not be true. Then it is also conflicting as she says everyone was happy and William was full of life and full of energy, so not a consistent story. Maybe the narrative was meant to be that everything was happy, but in reality she was not that attached to William.

 

[BFew]

Except Apple is very good at upgrading its phones. It's hard to believe the phone software was not upgraded in 4 years. I think it is an old camera.

Some iPhone users don't always upgrade their IOS software, or acquire a 2nd/3rd hand phone and use it before upgrading their software at some point.

 

[31550]

FM showed the photos on the camera to Wendy Hudson at the house on 12th Sept- this would be before they were downloaded

No I don't think she did. There is no mention of these photos in Wendy Hudson's statement or handwritten notes, and she took extensive notes.

My understanding is that the camera and photos were given to police (probably not Wendy) a day or two after William's disappearance.

 

[truecrimepath]

truecrimepath, post 249 (current thread) by me mentioned tower dumps and had a link to post 6,836 (previous thread) by NRL Fan which described the phone location information available in 2014.

My question in the post you replied to was about something else, obviously:

"Re: "no neighbours saw [FF] leave..."
Is there a source for this please? Is there information somewhere about which vehicle movements were witnessed by neighbours?"

A number of people here have said that no neighbours saw this or that vehicle - so where are they getting that information? Or are they just making it up?

Not sure where the info came from regarding neighbours either. I looked at those posts and one thing comes to mind. While correct it ignores the geographical location of towers in 2014. In order to work out position you need to know where the mobile phone towers are. In 2014 there did not appear to be enough towers near Kendall to do this accurately. The closest tower appears to be on the other side of KEW. Since 2014, a tower has been built just north of the cemetery in Kendall.

 

[31550]

I can upload the photo but you may have to go to the site and download the photo yourself to view the EXIF.

Futile exercise. The photo on the website is not the ACTUAL photograph which was on the SD card inside the camera. Only the ACTUAL photograph will have meaningful EXIF data. Copies of the photo which were distributed to media by police will naturally have completely different, unreliable, and therefore meaningless EXIF data, as anything can get changed in moving or copying digital photos from one medium to another.

 

[truecrimepath]

Some iPhone users don't always upgrade their IOS software, or acquire a 2nd/3rd hand phone and use it before upgrading their software at some point.

Either way it's old. Where did the information come from that it was a new camera purchased in Bali.

 

[truecrimepath]

Futile exercise. The photo on the website is not the ACTUAL photograph which was on the SD card inside the camera. Only the ACTUAL photograph will have meaningful EXIF data. Copies of the photo which were distributed to media by police will naturally have completely different, unreliable, and therefore meaningless EXIF data, as anything can get changed in moving or copying digital photos from one medium to another.

Nonsense. The versions are the exif in which the picture was taken. the firmware was flash pix version 1, it is the compression software used to make the photo in the camera. It is not made by transferring images. Yes. EXIF can be altered easily by the user, but why would the police send out a photo with old firmware.

 

[LRitz]

No I don't think she did. There is no mention of these photos in Wendy Hudson's statement or handwritten notes, and she took extensive notes.

My understanding is that the camera and photos were given to police (probably not Wendy) a day or two after William's disappearance.

From Wendy Hudson typed notes-
point #5 "FFC remembered that she had taken photos of William that morning on the deck in his
Spiderman outfit and showed me photo's on her camera."

I do not know if this is in the handwritten notes. It does not say she gave the camera to police that day but it does say that she showed Wendy Hudson the photos. (IMO - it sounds like FM volunteered this information but just an opinion.)

 

[truecrimepath]

Let me explain this again. A new camera would create an image and have metadata in the EXIF version, most current. Version 2.3. (it had been around for 4 years) If images on the SD card contained a combination of 2.3 and 2.21 images, it suggests those other photos were not taken on that camera. All the police would have to do is examine the EXIF (version) on the camera to see if images were uploaded on to the SD card.

 

[31550]

From Wendy Hudson typed notes-
point #5 "FFC remembered that she had taken photos of William that morning on the deck in his
Spiderman outfit and showed me photo's on her camera."

I do not know if this is in the handwritten notes. It does not say she gave the camera to police that day but it does say that she showed Wendy Hudson the photos. (IMO - it sounds like FM volunteered this information but just an opinion.)

Apologies. You are correct. I must have missed this.
In that case, it is even MORE unlikely that the photos had been manipulated in any way between William's disappearance and them coming into possession of the police. What if Wendy had immediately taken the camera and photos as evidence (as she probably SHOULD have done)?
So either the photos are genuine or it's a massive pre-conceived conspiracy on a scale unprecedented in this country.

PS: odd that the photos and camera are not anywhere in Wendy's handwritten notes. As though they were added to her statement as an afterthought. Statement was not made (typed up) till 18th September. Maybe this is a false recollection and Wendy saw the photos at a later time?

 

[Wallace52]

Just catching up and it’s made me realise I’ve forgotten to rebook my eyebrow appointment.

Oh, and that I need to buy cocaine and pull ups.

Hey, we don’t say the C word on here, Awakening , it might hurt someone’s feelings.