Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[truecrimepath]

I have my own ideas on what it means. So, to avoid me "jumping to illogical conclusions", you need to tell me exactly what YOU think it means.

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All I can go on is what my apple devices do when you correct the time. File created time is the time that the photo is stored on the memory chip. Corrected time is the time you can adjust the time manually by the user.

Changing the phone set up from Bali to Australia will not change the time on the memory stick of a photo already stored. Changing the camera later back to Bali, could make it look falsely like a photo was taken at a later time as you have suggested. Yes it could easily be part of the deception. Note when changing time zone on a camera, it will be 2 hrs exactly. If the time is wrong by 2 minutes this would have to be changed manually.

What I find interesting about this photo is it is in a format that you see when it has had its EXIF data removed. Created time and corrected time is all that appears when this is done and moved to another device. I doubt the coroner or the people providing the photos would have done this. Usually when you initially set up a camera the first task is to set up time. The rest then follows automatically. To not see the information on this slide is a red flag to me. No great reason to remove it unless of course you had faked the photo.

 

[js47]

Sorry. I've posted the link to article before just recently. I'll try find post number. It was allegedly a "witness that saw her driving in bush". I've assumed it was to Cobb & co because of focus there afterwards. The traffic analysis says that 41 cars per hour drive along BC Rd. Arguably there should be between 2 and 4 cars pass her in the short time (estimate 7 min) she would be there. She likely would be seen. The fact she made the elaborate story about a truck implies to me she was concerned about being seen so created story to cover herself.

No excuse to lie.

 

[js47]

You've kindly narrowed the window by the 15 minutes post photo activites.( unverified of course). That takes the time to 9.52. The searches started at 10.40..ie 48 min total

There is dedicated time for loading W (4m), driving there and back (7m), carrying and hiding in bush (5m). 16 min totally off the 48. You therefore have exactly 32 min, locate him, determine death, attempt resuscitation, resolve plan to hide, gather shoes to hide them too, deal with emotional trauma.

You are not tossing away a garbage bag. It is human life.. You can't even be sure he was dead. No hesitation just toss in half an hour.

I continue to have misgivings. The vast majority of these parents did it cases it is the delay to deal with this issue which tends to incriminate and ultimately exposes them..I'm cautious because it's contrary to profile

AWFUL PROSPECT

Most head injuries take time to kill. There is high probability that whatever happened he was merely unconscious when hidden.

No ARB it does not take time for a head injury to kill
1 I am a reg nurse retired.
2 lost a son in a head injury ( 3 mins) autopsy always states that
3 lost a brother in law head injury (3 mins) accident. Autopsy
FACT
You have to remember Will had a head injury just a few weeks before.
Who said he immediately left the property know one knows FACT.

 

[js47]

A lesser offence, and they suffered no consequence for the deception. Only the FM has a CSO for assault charges. Their identity remains protected so there's not really any reputational damage.
Can't blame anybody for putting their hand up to do foster care - it's a hard thankless job most of the time. The problem is the slack system which admits unsuitable unqualified carers who do not have the children's interest at heart.

The FM IMO Saw William fulfilling a need in her life instead of her fulfilling a mead in his life.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

No ARB it does not take time for a head injury to kill
1 I am a reg nurse retired.
2 lost a son in a head injury ( 3 mins) autopsy always states that
3 lost a brother in law head injury (3 mins) accident. Autopsy
FACT
You have to remember Will had a head injury just a few weeks before.
Who said he immediately left the property know one knows FACT.

Sorry for you loss

Car accidents at speed are entirely different to a fall from a balcony to soil ground or a car hitting a child in a driveway where you haven't established speed.That's why the study I quoted had 1 fatality in approx 100 cases from a balcony this height. Car accidents at speed where there are head injuries can be fatal on site clearly because the force is more significant

None of that is relevant to what we are discussing here. That study was from hospital child injuries from balcony falls. I respect your knowledge and contribution but think we may be comparing apples and oranges

 

[Lady O]

The FM IMO Saw William fulfilling a need in her life instead of her fulfilling a mead in his life.

Yes I think that is precisely what happened. He was "their" boy right from the start. No giving him back. They were Mummy and Daddy and they wanted them to have no other "parents".

With that in mind, what did it mean when the children were not turning out as they expected? They blamed the bios for causing their misbehaviour. They never thought that it might have been their own parenting behaviour, but merely put it down to confusion between the fosters and the bios, which could be improved by eliminating the bios from their lives. They needed to "break them" of bad habits and train them to your bidding like you would do a brumby.

So how does that fit with the Police theory of accident and cover up?

 

[Wallace52]

The FM IMO Saw William fulfilling a need in her life instead of her fulfilling a mead in his life.

Not ideal parenting. But that is not a crime, is it?

And how do we know that is the case ??

 

[Awakening]

Post in thread 'Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse'

Woman with child in Spiderman costume, September 2022.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...interfere-with-a-corpse.1089352/post-76531804

 

[31550]

I have my own ideas on what it means. So, to avoid me "jumping to illogical conclusions", you need to tell me exactly what YOU think it means.

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What I think doesn't matter. It certainly doesn't to you, anyway. I am merely suggesting you do some research on digital photography, EXIF data etc. before basing an elaborate theory on a few hasty assumptions. Also read what has been written by others e.g. Chumley and Overington who have researched the case for many years and also addressed the issue of the time discrepancy. There is a simple explanation which has been widely accepted by many experts, including police forensics, who have no doubt considered the possibility of data manipulation and subterfuge. No need to take my word for it. I am not trying to change your opinion or theory, just asking that you verify it against what the experts say.

 

[Awakening]

Geez I’d forgotten a lot of this.

But for those interested in Ron Chapman, here’s some posts quoting him at the inquest.

Post in thread 'Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse'



From BFew

Post in thread 'Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse'



More on Ron’s inquest testimony



Post in thread 'Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse'



Post in thread 'Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse'

 

[Awakening]

BFew did a tonne of work on the exif data and infamous photo back in 2021.

I encourage members to read it because it makes for very enlightening reading.

Post in thread 'Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse'
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...interfere-with-a-corpse.1089352/post-73129078

 

[31550]

You are not tossing away a garbage bag. It is human life.. You can't even be sure he was dead. No hesitation just toss in half an hour.

Here you are applying your own personal value system. But you are probably not a person who would strike or seriously injure a 3YO child. All humans think and behave differently - that's why there are laws and criminals and we need a justice system. There are a plethora of sociological, and psychological disorders which bring about aberrant behaviour in certain situations or where people are placed under certain pressures.
Just because YOU wouldn't behave in a certain way doesn't mean somebody else wouldn't. We are not talking about 'average' 'normal' or even 'typical' because there really is no such thing when it comes to human behaviour.

 

[Lady O]

What I think doesn't matter. It certainly doesn't to you, anyway. I am merely suggesting you do some research on digital photography, EXIF data etc. before basing an elaborate theory on a few hasty assumptions. Also read what has been written by others e.g. Chumley and Overington who have researched the case for many years and also addressed the issue of the time discrepancy. There is a simple explanation which has been widely accepted by many experts, including police forensics, who have no doubt considered the possibility of data manipulation and subterfuge. No need to take my word for it. I am not trying to change your opinion or theory, just asking that you verify it against what the experts say.

What a jumped up little expert you are on everything! Do you assume I have not read Chumley or Overington? Do you even know what you rudely suggest I do not know. If you do, kindly appraise us of your superior knowledge!!

 

[Awakening]

 

[Awakening]

 

[truecrimepath]

No ARB it does not take time for a head injury to kill
1 I am a reg nurse retired.
2 lost a son in a head injury ( 3 mins) autopsy always states that
3 lost a brother in law head injury (3 mins) accident. Autopsy
FACT
You have to remember Will had a head injury just a few weeks before.
Who said he immediately left the property know one knows FACT.

The situation with an extradural haemorrhage in which the middle meningeal artery is severed with a blow to the temple area can lead to a brief loss of consciousness followed by a lucid interval and a rapid deterioration to death. Usually up to 6 hours but not weeks in a young person. Hypothetical. Say if William got out at a rest stop on the journey to Kendall, behaved like a kid with ODD and a parent lost control and hit him in the head. He may have been put to bed alive and awake and then could have died in the night. The fact that the FF slept with him and not his sister raised this concern with me. Now if you accept that the photos were taken that day (I don't) this scenario did not happen. By looking at his pupils and examining his head for bruising you would be able to see evidence of this. (I have). There is none.

Sub dural Haemorrhages lead to a slow loss of consciousness as the the brain adapts to the increasing Haematoma. Weeks to months.

If the head injury is severe, death can take minutes or even less. I have seen this many times. The mechanism can be cardiac. Not well understood.

 

[Awakening]

Everyone was forum fighting

 

[Awakening]

The situation with an extradural haemorrhage in which the middle meningeal artery is severed with a blow to the temple area can lead to a brief loss of consciousness followed by a lucid interval and a rapid deterioration to death. Usually up to 6 hours but not weeks in a young person. Hypothetical. Say if William got out at a rest stop on the journey to Kendall, behaved like a kid with ODD and a parent lost control and hit him in the head. He may have been put to bed alive and awake and then could have died in the night. The fact that the FF slept with him and not his sister raised this concern with me. Now if you accept that the photos were taken that day (I don't) this scenario did not happen. By looking at his pupils and examining his head for bruising you would be able to see evidence of this. (I have). There is none.

Sub dural Haemorrhages lead to a slow loss of consciousness as the the brain adapts to the increasing Haematoma. Weeks to months.

If the head injury is severe, death can take minutes or even less. I have seen this many times. The mechanism can be cardiac. Not well understood.

It’s why if your child has a head injury the GP may tell you to regularly wake them up, to ensure they do wake up.

Source: brothers

 

[31550]

What a jumped up little expert you are on everything! Do you assume I have not read Chumley or Overington? Do you even know what you rudely suggest I do not know. If you do, kindly appraise us of your superior knowledge!!

I knew you didn't really want my opinion when you asked for it.

 

[truecrimepath]

BFew did a tonne of work on the exif data and infamous photo back in 2021.

I encourage members to read it because it makes for very enlightening reading.

Post in thread 'Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse'
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...interfere-with-a-corpse.1089352/post-73129078

This is completely correct. No IT expert can verify when a photo was taken. The problem with EXIF on JPEG files is that it is completely changeable and can't be verified especially when moved from one device to another. This is why I concentrate on physical features that cannot easily be changed by the user. If the police and coroner are relying on IT experts to sort this out then there is no hope for the inquest! It smacks of incompetency. Members on this forum who believe they can are deluded.

 

[truecrimepath]

It’s why if your child has a head injury the GP may tell you to regularly wake them up, to ensure they do wake up.

Source: brothers

yes

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Here you are applying your own personal value system. But you are probably not a person who would strike or seriously injure a 3YO child. All humans think and behave differently - that's why there are laws and criminals and we need a justice system. There are a plethora of sociological, and psychological disorders which bring about aberrant behaviour in certain situations or where people are placed under certain pressures.
Just because YOU wouldn't behave in a certain way doesn't mean somebody else wouldn't. We are not talking about 'average' 'normal' or even 'typical' because there really is no such thing when it comes to human behaviour.

You've heard her sobbing from grief. She didn't want this to happen. She placed value on his life else she wouldn't have sought adoption. So yes I've considered it from her perspective and value system NOT mine and that is taking account of the narcissistic traits which are there too including selfishness..She isn't sociopathic because there are emotions and empathy. I think her grief is real even if tinged with victimhood for herself..

 

[Lady O]

I knew you didn't really want my opinion when you asked for it.

You've got no idea have you?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Everyone was forum fighting

Ok. Am seated and have my popcorn. Who's involved? Is there betting available?



Omg I missed some of those exchanges.

If I had talked to a lady in such dismissive way eg my partner, I would have been immediately castrated which would probably suit her in other ways too because she doesn't seem to have much need for them anymore