Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[truecrimepath]

This is actually not funny. There are people here who know and care about William’s family and loved ones. None of this is funny.

Have some respect.

The comment is directed at the police.

 

[zedx]

Well, the truck driver's evidence as reported seems completely irrelevant to the case and totally useless.
WHAT TIME was he on BCR? He didn't see FM. Nobody saw FM. So why was this guy called as a witness?
Does FM claim this is the "semi-trailer" she saw, or not? If so, why didn't he see her? If not, where is the driver of the "semi-trailer"?

IMO the point of the truck drivers evidence is relevant -
1. There were unknow cars driving in the area when WT went missing.
2. The truck driver saw an unknow car in the area where WT went missing and the driver was acting suspiciously.
This points to the fact that there were unknown cars/people in the area that were not noticed by the neighbors and could have been involved in WT's disappearance.

 

[Poppy Penny]

Is tomorrow a closed court?

Who decides what is heard in a closed court? Is it requested by the person giving evidence, the police, the coroner? What reasons could be given? Who is present in a closed court? TIA

 

[BFew]

The Canberra Times daily overnight article on the Agenda for the days inquest as follows. No change from what I posted in here yesterday on this.

Miklos Bolza (AAP) whose articles on the inquest have been syndicated to various other main stream media outlets, is again reporting (rightly or wrongly) that today (Thursday) will be the final day of evidence. With no mention of it being done in "closed court" (no media or public allowed to see/hear).

Maybe the media were told yesterday that it was going to be done in closed court today, and one or more of the media has put in an application/request to have this "grilling" be held in open court today, and are awaiting a decision on this, this morning sometime.

I expect that if it does go ahead in open court (I doubt this will happen), that there will be a non-publication/suppression order(s) issued to the media on reporting some, or all of what they see or hear in the recording of the NSW Crime Commission "grilling" of the foster mother.

William Tyrrell inquest to view foster mum's grilling

A coroner probing a theory that William Tyrrell's foster mother hid his body will see video of her...

www.canberratimes.com.au

'William Tyrrell inquest to view foster mum's grilling​

By Miklos Bolza
Updated November 7 2024 - 3:37am, first published 3:31am

An inquest examining a theory that William Tyrrell's foster mother disposed of his body after an accident will be shown footage of her undergoing extensive questioning.
....
The inquest will head into a final day of evidence on Thursday, when footage of the foster mother being questioned for four hours by the NSW Crime Commission in November 2021 is due to be played.
...'

 

[truecrimepath]

IMO the point of the truck drivers evidence is relevant -
1. There were unknow cars driving in the area when WT went missing.
2. The truck driver saw an unknow car in the area where WT went missing and the driver was acting suspiciously.
This points to the fact that there were unknown cars/people in the area that were not noticed by the neighbors and could have been involved in WT's disappearance.

But the car was noticed and was not on Benaroon drive.

 

[truecrimepath]

The Canberra Times daily overnight article on the Agenda for the days inquest as follows. No change from what I posted in here yesterday on this.

Miklos Bolza (AAP) whose articles on the inquest have been syndicated to various other main stream media outlets, is again reporting (rightly or wrongly) that today (Thursday) will be the final day of evidence. With no mention of it being done in "closed court" (no media or public allowed to see/hear).

Maybe the media were told yesterday that it was going to be done in closed court today, and one or more of the media has put in an application/request to have this "grilling" be held in open court today, and are awaiting a decision on this, this morning sometime.

I expect that if it does go ahead in open court (I doubt this will happen), that there will be a non-publication/suppression order(s) issued to the media on reporting some, or all of what they see or hear in the recording of the NSW Crime Commission "grilling" of the foster mother.

William Tyrrell inquest to view foster mum's grilling

A coroner probing a theory that William Tyrrell's foster mother hid his body will see video of her...

www.canberratimes.com.au

'William Tyrrell inquest to view foster mum's grilling​

By Miklos Bolza
Updated November 7 2024 - 3:37am, first published 3:31am

An inquest examining a theory that William Tyrrell's foster mother disposed of his body after an accident will be shown footage of her undergoing extensive questioning.
....
The inquest will head into a final day of evidence on Thursday, when footage of the foster mother being questioned for four hours by the NSW Crime Commission in November 2021 is due to be played.
...'

Final day of evidence or the entire inquest.

 

[31550]

But the car was noticed and was not on Benaroon drive.

And for William to leave the property he had to be in a car which drove all the way up and down Benaroon Drive. Which cars have been identified which did that?

 

[BFew]

Final day of evidence or the entire inquest.

I guess we'll find out sometime today.

Nothing to suggest today is the final day of the inquest, or even this weeks proceedings in the news.com.au article below.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/secret-william-tyrrell-hearing-set-to-be-revealed/news-story/913a24391a9d8f1822b794a7b3c70cbd

'Secret William Tyrrell hearing set to be revealed'​

'November 7, 2024 - 6:18AM'

 

[BFew]

And for William to leave the property he had to be in a car which drove all the way up and down Benaroon Drive. Which cars have been identified which did that?

So you've 100% ruled out all other types of vehicles?

 

[Awakening]

I love looking in Op shops. .if I have time I always will check one out, and then I waste so much time looking at all the nick knacks !

Also a great place to buy books, which I read in a few days and then donate back !

Where were you on the 12 September?

 

[Awakening]

I don’t know why I get the feeling that the not relationship between FM and her siblings is not a close one…possibly not even too civil.

I’m wondering now if the Sister actually came to ‘rescue’ FGM from the trauma of what was going on at her home.

If I remember correctly, the sister had long planned to arrive when she did and when the fosters heard that they planned their trip.

Even arriving a day earlier. I have wondered if there were more siblings and one of those decided to be there on the weekend and that was the real reason for their last minute change to their plans.

 

[31550]

So you've 100% ruled out all other types of vehicles?

Not sure what other type of vehicle is possible? A truck would have been noticed, and would have been difficult to turn around. A pushbike would have left scent for sniffer dogs and wouldn't have got far. A motorcycle would be noisy and conspicuous with William without a helmet, and would have possibly left tracks.
So, a car, ute, or smaller van. IMO.

 

[Wallace52]

Is tomorrow a closed court?

No.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

My hope sunk when I saw this reported earlier today as I had high hopes that the Truckie appearing was the one who FM saw on her drive to the riding school.

But No, it’s old news - someone we heard about much earlier, although it appears he saw this blonde woman & her black car on more than one occasion that day a he went about business in Kendall, and Kew with a pick up in Batar Creek Road.

He did mention seeing other cars, but they didn’t meet description of FGM’s car.

And he gave no times for any of his sightings as far as I’m aware.

I wonder if FM slipped in the bit about ‘waving to truck driver’ as she saw the truck and was concerned she may’ve been seen.

My mind then went back to Ron Chapman’s story - but he had a blue coloured sedan as the 2nd car, and it was driven by a Man. No mention of a Black car, but I guess there could have been a car swap.

It was travelling behind a fawn older model 4WD, which was driven by a fair haired woman, with a Spider-Man dressed unrestrained child in the back seat.

I agree, this is all such a mess.

He said old style 4wD beige in colour that he since has determined to be an older style box Toyota land cruiser ( per walk through). He also went on to say he didn't recognise them as being locals. Hadn't seen them before or since. Ie not locals.

Leading into this inquest I was perusing various articles and one excerpt that caught my eye that I hadn't known before was that when WT was taken by the Bios that first time it was from the end of Benaroon Drive. Is that right? Did I misread that? I dismissed it thinking we'd have accurate evidence pointing to FM but instead we have discussion of a strange blonde heavy set lady acting suspiciously in a local community where any non local is seen as suspicious (they all know each other)..Brings in a snatch again and possibly an organised snatch using very old vehicles subsequently discarded. Ron Chapman sighting again. People seemingly wasting time to a purpose.

Or it could just be rubbish..but if rubbish then why is it in inquest at direction of Coroner? What's the importance of Peter seeing the blonde heavy set woman?

 

[31550]

when WT was taken by the Bios that first time it was from the end of Benaroon Drive. Is that right?

Never heard of that before. Do you have any reference or link?

It was always my understanding that William was living with his real parents, and they absconded with him instead of handing him over to DOCS/FACS.

 

[Earls Smother]

The inquest was delayed to enable the police to present a scenario where the FM took William to Cobb & Co road.

No wonder the police tried to get Harriet Grahame removed from conducting the inquest. The evidence presented has done the police no favours at all, and has arguably weakened their case.

IMO, unless yesterday afternoon's witness had something very compelling to add, there is not one shred of evidence to support their belief.

For David Laidlaw to neglect and fall behind on 19(?) other cases, only to come up with this rubbish, is deadset embarrassing.

Maybe they should call in Hedley Thomas to show them how to do their job - again.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Never heard of that before. Do you have any reference or link?

It was always my understanding that William was living with his real parents, and they absconded with him instead of handing him over to DOCS/FACS.

I'll try and find again but like I said was randomly looking when I saw it..

I'll see if I can fnd out circumstances. I don't want to misdirect this here.

 

[truecrimepath]

I’d like to hear what L might have said, particularly in the 2022 interview.

My heart breaks for her and what she’s been through. I really hope she’s being well cared for and is getting vital love and support.

I am of the opinion if they did not interview her asap after the disappearance with experts that the testimony may not be as useful or as accurate as one would hope. I posted the article about evidence in 4 year olds and it really suggests that it is unreliable.

The first professional interview was 2015 and is likely this is also too late. 6 months elapsed, constant narrative about drawing on the verandah and daddy tiger at home.

The exact transcript word for word on the day of his disappearance and how the question was asked is crucial. Did she feel safe or did she parrot what was drummed into her. There is clear evidence that she may have not of felt safe given what subsequently happened. A form of “Stockholm syndrome” in a pre school child.

 

[31550]

Does she have to submit her findings to her Boss for checking prior to final decisions being made ?

Just wondering what’s her line of accountability.

Deputy coroner reports to the State Coroner, and is ultimately responsible to the Attorney-General. The Coroners Court is administered by DCJ. The Attorney-General oversees DCJ providing policy direction and advice. Note the A-G also provides legal advice and guidance to NSWPOL. Note that DCJ also oversees FACS.

Essentially the coroner is independent of police, but ultimately both may be influenced and guided by the A-G.
It's complicated

 

[31550]

I am of the opinion if they did not interview her asap after the disappearance with experts that the testimony may not be as useful or as accurate as one would hope. I posted the article about evidence in 4 year olds and it really suggests that it is unreliable.

The first professional interview was 2015 and is likely this is also too late. 6 months elapsed, constant narrative about drawing on the verandah and daddy tiger at home.

The exact transcript word for word on the day of his disappearance and how the question was asked is crucial. Did she feel safe or did she parrot what was drummed into her. There is clear evidence that she may have not of felt safe given what subsequently happened. A form of “Stockholm syndrome” in a pre school child.

She was definitely interviewed formally by police on or around the 14th Sep 2014. Was that not a 'professional interview'?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The coroner seems to be intentionally trying to show just how weak the case is against FM. Cadaver dogs that detect scent from 70 metres away but didn't hit on Cobb & co. Evidence of nothing being found forensic importance. And a truck driver who saw a random blonde he thought was acting strangely.. NOTHING TO IMPLICATE FM

 

[31550]

The coroner seems to be intentionally trying to show just how weak the case is against FM. Cadaver dogs that detect scent from 70 metres away but didn't hit on Cobb & co. Evidence of nothing being found forensic importance.avteuck driver who saw a random blonde he thought was acting strangely.. NOTHING TO IMPLICATE FM

Yes the DC is intent on reminding everybody what there is "no evidence of".
I would rather she concentrate on what there IS evidence of.

 

[truecrimepath]

The inquest was delayed to enable the police to present a scenario where the FM took William to Cobb & Co road.

No wonder the police tried to get Harriet Grahame removed from conducting the inquest. The evidence presented has done the police no favours at all, and has arguably weakened their case.

IMO, unless yesterday afternoon's witness had something very compelling to add, there is not one shred of evidence to support their belief.

For David Laidlaw to neglect and fall behind on 19(?) other cases, only to come up with this rubbish, is deadset embarrassing.

Maybe they should call in Hedley Thomas to show them how to do their job - again.

At the beginning of the week , I was scoffed at for thinking Craddock was going to throw the police under the bus. It looks to me they are definitely under the bus with the back wheel rolling towards them.

The problem seems to me that ‘they form a theory’ then try to prove it. Internationally this has lead to many miscarriages of justice. The result is that policing and investigation changed. Now it’s more evidence focused overseas and has lead to cultural change. The NSW police are stuck in a different paradigm that needs to change.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

She was definitely interviewed formally by police on or around the 14th Sep 2014. Was that not a 'professional interview'?

There are two interviews, the very first one, then one in 2022. I'd love to know content of both

 

[31550]

There are two interviews, the very first one, then one in 2022. I'd love to know content of both

I don't think either have ever been publicly released.