Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following initials to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above initials. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[31550]

The cops might want to rule out access to another vehicle she could potentially have driven back to Kendall in, unnoticed.

Again, Michelle White is hardly a definitive or reliable source for this information. Police should be cross checking vehicles belonging to close associates. Police have accepted they drove up in one car. Hence, they should be focussed on vehicles regularly garaged in Kendall.

Slightly related - do we know why the deputy coroner was so interested in Peter the truck driver, and was the black Camry or its driver ever identified? Wouldn't think that there were too many black Camrys in NSW in 2014. But maybe focus on those in northern NSW registered to or associated with blonde females. Not exactly a needle in a haystack.

 

[LRitz]

I have no doubt the fosters were pointing the finger at the bio family initially.
Clearly the police were also of the same mind as they were knocking on the bios doors within hours......

I think they had thought about suspects to support the "taken" theory. Including the bio family, but also the neighbours that come and go, the recent repair men who visited the house, the sneaky u turn driver. Sending the police on dead ends and taking up their time.
He was taken ... sounds released IMO.
Edit : He was taken ... sounds REHEARSED

 

[BFew]

The first media article of the day on this case appears to have been published.

William Tyrrell case takes a turn after 10 years as inquest hears new theory of his death

Detectives believe William accidentally fell from a balcony and died, coroner told, as foster mother tearfully denies disposing of body

www.theguardian.com

William Tyrrell case takes a turn after 10 years as inquest hears new theory of his death​

Mostafa Rachwani
Sat 9 Nov 2024 10.00 AEDT

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I think it's a bit strange. There's a first for everything but if he's going to quote statistics, he might look in to how many stranger abductions of children under 4yo there are, then factor in how many of them are taken from a property on a rural block in a dead end street at 10.00am on a weekday.

Absolutely!! And 97% of abductions are people known to them ie grooming..Pretty rare that it be an opportunistic abduction..Even then you have to have the abductor be in that location randomly to provide that opportunity. Likelihood is remote to non existent. The house is approx 70 metres from the street on that side so not a great opportunity either......to carry a child 75 metres to a waiting car without detection by them/ neighbours. I fail to accept this is a reasonable prospect though GJ was totally oblivious..Oblivious too of the other relevant statistic that children in care by non biological parents are 500% more likely to die in that care by them.

Make no mistake ALL the profile considerations align in one direction..Throw in the lies , incriminating remarks and behavioural leakages then it's pretty clear to me where we place focus

 

[31550]

I'm guessing, as it was FGM's house, it was her car. The fosters, who arrived late the previous evening, would have parked behind hers.

Or next to it. There was room.

 

[stormbird]

Something I saw on another forum: the Kendall Tennis Club's CCTV camera time was 14 minutes slow. Is this correct? Until now we've been told the slowness was 9 minutes e.g. see a quote from a police interview of a neighbour in 2017:

Daily Mail 05 Dec 2021 updated 30 Jun 2022

I can't ask about this on the other forum because they banned me from posting on the Tyrrell thread. Can anyone here confirm that the inquest times for the movements of Peter the truck driver included the information that the CCTV camera times were 14 minutes slow? If so, was it Mr Craddock who said this or someone else? Thank you.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Rehash:

Children heard say 9.15
WT photo 9.37
Post photo activities per 31550 post say to 9.53.
Found dead
Dealing with death, resuscitation attempt to say 10.10
Car heard coinciding with Crabbes and SFR estimate at 10.10.
Car bonnet warm at 11.05 per my test ( assuming Rowley remark true)


That leaves 20 min total trip..not now Cobb & co but imo somewhere close.. 5 minutes to place body in bush. That leaves a radius to location of 7.5 min drive ( say 10 min to be safe) because she was back at house at or about time FF arrived. You can draw a perimeter circle (I've seen this in the fugitive ) to determine where possible. Compare that with search area by day and then IF the body was moved there MUST be cadaver scent in either car. If there isn't then the location is permanent in that perimeter perhaps in a blind spot of the searches. Pretty easy to bind guilt imo.

 

[BFew]

Something I saw on another forum: the Kendall Tennis Club's CCTV camera time was 14 minutes slow. Is this correct? Until now we've been told the slowness was 9 minutes e.g. see a quote from a police interview of a neighbour in 2017:

Daily Mail 05 Dec 2021 updated 30 Jun 2022

I can't ask about this on the other forum because they banned me from posting on the Tyrrell thread. Can anyone here confirm that the inquest times for the movements of Peter the truck driver included the information that the CCTV camera times were 14 minutes slow? If so, was it Mr Craddock who said this or someone else? Thank you.

Edit: NSW Crime Commission said it. (14 minutes slow for one of the CCTV cameras)
Craddock on Wednesday's inquest hearings questions to Peter the truck driver, who appeared via AVL.

 

[LRitz]

In today's Witness podcast Dan lists these as said by Craddock on Monday 4/11/24 at the opening again of the inquest.
Mr Craddock said these are the timings & things we can be certain off

1. The time the last photo of William was taken
2. The time the text message was sent by William's Foster father was sent
3. The time of the 000 call
4. The time of the first police officer arriving.
5. How different people's facebook posts can show that certain things were happening at certain times & certain people were where they said they were.
6. Talking about the search that was done that morning.

Craddock left off the time the FF was driving past the tennis club on CCTV ~ 8:50. I thought this was also certain. This time did not fit in with FF and FM saying FF left around 9:00 or running late. It could fit in with FGM saying he left at 8:00, but that leaves 40 minutes unaccounted for. Any way IMO it is not certain what time FF left the house

Also if we know that the first phone call made by FF at Lakewood was ~9:15, what did FF do for that missing 15 minutes. He should have arrived in Lakewood by 9:00. In FF's available walkthrough clip he is asked did he stop on the way and he says no.

We don't know what was in the text. Are we sure where FF was when he sent the text. Just thinking is that text or the time all that important. (I have restrained from commenting on point one - for the time being )

 

[31550]

NSW Crime Commission said it. (14 minutes slow for one of the CCTV cameras)

Has the tennis club CCTV EXIF data been validated and confirmed by a (non IT) forensic expert, including analysis of sun position and shadows cast? How do we know it's authentic? How do we know the video wasn't swapped with video from another day?
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Ok I am kidding.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Something I saw on another forum: the Kendall Tennis Club's CCTV camera time was 14 minutes slow. Is this correct? Until now we've been told the slowness was 9 minutes e.g. see a quote from a police interview of a neighbour in 2017:

Daily Mail 05 Dec 2021 updated 30 Jun 2022

I can't ask about this on the other forum because they banned me from posting on the Tyrrell thread. Can anyone here confirm that the inquest times for the movements of Peter the truck driver included the information that the CCTV camera times were 14 minutes slow? If so, was it Mr Craddock who said this or someone else? Thank you.

I can't imagine why someone like you would get a ban. Ridiculous. You are an invaluable member here. You always put me in line with fact finding. Cool actually.

 

[31550]

I can't imagine why someone like you would get a ban. Ridiculous. You are an invaluable member here. You always put me in line with fact finding. Cool actually.

A ban from 'certain' forums should be worn like a badge of honour IMO.

 

[stormbird]

NSW Crime Commission said it. (14 minutes slow for one of the CCTV cameras)

The NSWCC's questioning of FM involved talking about truck driver Peter's movements past the tennis club CCTV camera? Is that what you mean? Or the NSWCC discovered the camera times had been wrong and now the inquest uses the updated time difference?

 

[js47]

I think the riding school was already non operational at that site in 2014 and was moved to a different address. So there would not have been anyone at the riding school looking after horses etc in 2014. I read something about moving the school but can't find my reference. I do have a photo of the dig at 158 Batar Creek Rd. So as i understood the old riding school was on the corner of Batar Creek and Cobb and Co. So the search, if referred to as Cobb and Co was also the entrance to the riding school. Maybe someone familiar with the area would know.

Edit : Details of picture: "Daily Mail Australia can reveal at least one of the three current police dig sites is on the property where the riding school pictured was located at the time of William’s disappearance


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Ok now it makes sense.

 

[31550]

The NSWCC's questioning of FM involved talking about truck driver Peter's movements past the tennis club CCTV camera? Is that what you mean? Or the NSWCC discovered the camera times had been wrong and now the inquest uses the updated time difference?

Peter the truck driver or the truck driver FM claimed to have seen on BCR? I don't think they can be one and the same.

 

[31550]

Ok now it makes sense.

No it doesn't. The Riding school moved in 2017. It was operational at the Cobb and Co Rd -ish site in 2014.

 

[Kurve]

Listening to the latest Dan Box episode and I'm a bit confused as to why he appears to be dismissive of the suggestion that dogs or foxes may have moved William's body. Of course they would, particularly if he was left close to the surface.

Andrea Thiis-Evensen refers to Daniel Morcombe's 'body' being found which isn't quite accurate. His whole body wasn't found, Some significantly deteriorated bones were found, with evidence of chewing by a dog or other carnivores.

There was only in total, 17 scattered bones found.

Cowan's murder trial was in February 2014. (William went missing in the September of that year.)

 

[stormbird]

Peter the truck driver or the truck driver FM claimed to have seen on BCR? I don't think they can be one and the same.

I don't think so either. What I'm interested in is the CCTV camera time difference from real time and who said it was 14 minutes slow.

 

[31550]

I don't think so either. What I'm interested in is the CCTV camera time difference from real time and who said it was 14 minutes slow.

Oh no not this again!

 

[Wallace52]

For his own business, or for someone else's business?

Am unclear if he owned the business or if it was the FF friend Tony’s business.

Slightly related - do we know why the deputy coroner was so interested in Peter the truck driver,

No, we don’t.

 

[BFew]

Edit: NSW Crime Commission said it. (14 minutes slow for one of the CCTV cameras)
Craddock on Wednesday's inquest hearings questions to Peter the truck driver, who appeared via AVL.

Note my edited reply after I stuffed up my initial post above (the original answer strikethrough)
stormbird 31550

 

[BFew]

The NSWCC's questioning of FM involved talking about truck driver Peter's movements past the tennis club CCTV camera? Is that what you mean? Or the NSWCC discovered the camera times had been wrong and now the inquest uses the updated time difference?

Sorry. I provided a completely wrong answer in my first attempt to answer your question and have edited my post to correct it.

I think it was Craddock on Wednesday's inquest hearings questions to Peter the truck driver, who appeared via AVL.

 

[Lady O]

A ban from 'certain' forums should be worn like a badge of honour IMO.

Simply expressing a different opinion to the Queen's will get you offed.

 

[gymjam]

The NSWCC's questioning of FM involved talking about truck driver Peter's movements past the tennis club CCTV camera? Is that what you mean? Or the NSWCC discovered the camera times had been wrong and now the inquest uses the updated time difference?

The cctv footage was verified as being 9-minutes out by the Rosann Taskforce. I think the 14 minutes was being used to track the truck driver wasn't it, to where his destination in Kendall town, near the op shop was where he explained he had traveled from Kew to wait for contact from the woman Michelle to find the address of where to go to next? IMO the 5 minutes could therefore be the calculated time (as there were no other cctvs available between the tennis club and the op shop) difference from the tennis club to his op shop location destination maybe?

Does this make sense?

 

[gymjam]

No it doesn't. The Riding school moved in 2017. It was operational at the Cobb and Co Rd -ish site in 2014.

Do you know where it moved to?