Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[jason_recliner]

The inquest is not following an abduction theory.

Not any more.

The inquest is trying to determine what happened to William. Where has anybody implied he was not abducted? (I have not been attending)

 

[truecrimepath]

That


I personally don't think so. Didn't she say at some very early stage that she knew he had texted her but didn't read the text?

If his 'back in 5' text was sent using the Suri system in his vehicle would that make a difference. I am really not certain how that system worked back then or even today. Any advice on this would be appreciated.

He had an iPhone didn't he?

That


I personally don't think so. Didn't she say at some very early stage that she knew he had texted her but didn't read the text?

If his 'back in 5' text was sent using the Suri system in his vehicle would that make a difference. I am really not certain how that system worked back then or even today. Any advice on this would be appreciated.

He had an iPhone didn't he?

On the podcast ‘one last roar’ she clearly says that she felt relieved he would be home soon after receiving the text. About 7 minutes, This was podcast was subpoenaed. No one knows why it was subpoenaed.

So she claims to receive the text at the time. 31550 has shown evidence earlier the phone may have been off. The crime commission is asking about the phone and the text. I am wondering whether the crime commission knows the phone was off and that she has lied about it in her statements. You see the telco will be able to tell if the phone is off or on.

 

[jason_recliner]

Read the sticky first then do it again thanks.

Ok, the issue is I referred to his foster parents as his parents? I believe our parents are those that raise us, spend time with us, sacrifice for us, provide us security and opportunity. Not necessarily those who gave us DNA. Nevertheless...

Could have been on Ellendale. And there was a property for sale on Benaroon. And there's a 4WD track at the end of it. And there are plenty of sick people out there, including an unusually high number of them in Kendall. Frank Abbott anybody? And we know there were many cars driving around the area. Could have been lots of people.

Far more likely some random got away with it than the foster parents who have been campaigning for him for a decade.

 

[31550]

Nup.

My detailed response explaining / justifying "nup" seems to have been deleted?

Interested in how and why you would refute each of these. Perhaps do it logically and sensibly by playing the ball and not the man and I'll get to read it.

 

[truecrimepath]

There was one thing I was told years ago and that is it is possible back then that a phone with sim card removed could still log onto internet and searches are possible. Made me wonder what else was possible and what forensic examination might not pickup.

Only if connecting by wifi.

 

[31550]

The inquest is trying to determine what happened to William. Where has anybody implied he was not abducted? (I have not been attending)

Wow you have some catching up to do.

 

[Kurve]

Ok, the issue is I referred to his foster parents as his parents? I believe our parents are those that raise us, spend time with us, sacrifice for us, provide us security and opportunity. Not necessarily those who gave us DNA. Nevertheless...

Could have been on Ellendale. And there was a property for sale on Benaroon. And there's a 4WD track at the end of it. And there are plenty of sick people out there, including an unusually high number of them in Kendall. Frank Abbott anybody? And we know there were many cars driving around the area. Could have been lots of people.

Far more likely some random got away with it than the foster parents who have been campaigning for him for a decade.

It doesn't matter what you think if it's weird you still take this position when the FD was removed for her safety and the FM pled guilty to assault by kicking, stalking and intimidation.

The correct term is former foster parents.

You must follow the rules in the sticky for the benefit of everybody reading the thread.

 

[Wallace52]

I’m not sure
but i personally think if they are innocent and went through all this they should be entitled to compensation.

First of all, how can you run malicious prosecution case if the prosecutor never mentions the suspects name? Or prosecutes? The foster mother hasn’t even been charged in relation to William’s disappearance.

Secondly, the FF hasn’t been mentioned by police as being a suspect in William’s disappearance.

Thirdly, I think that some reputational damage has potentially been done as a result of the recordings of the FF and the FM intimidating and assaulting a 10 year old girl in their care were played in open court. IMO

…. Which is different and separate to William’s case, which is a homicide case.

And then maybe the FM’s employer has heard about the recordings of her abusing or intimidating the 10 year old girl, or read about it, and then they have also found out that the FM was convicted of the criminal charges and that’s caused a problem.

There are some jobs that require a clean police record.

If they didn’t want their reputations tarnished, then they should not have intimidated and assaulted a foster child in their care. That was their choice that they made, to do that.

I’m no defamation lawyer but it’s not defamation if it’s true. It’s true that the FM assaulted a foster child, twice and intimidated her too. It’s true that the FF intimidated a foster child.

No one in the police have said that the foster mother hurt William. They’ve said to her we know you loved him, that you’re a good person, that you wouldn’t have hurt him.

I think they have been very fair on her, and given her a chance to explain herself at the Crime Commission.

It’s very different to Spedding who was wrongfully imprisoned.

I think the point is to find William and to give him a respectful burial. That is the goal. I think sometimes people forget that.

 

[Wallace52]

The inquest is trying to determine what happened to William. Where has anybody implied he was not abducted? (I have not been attending)

Do you not have access to mainstream media? Or podcasts? Or the TV?

Are you like off-grid camping?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Thanks ARB.
Do you recall where/when was this first made public, as I wasn't sure whether it was something new?

I'll have to go look. I do recall I made a similar remark in Part 1 somewhere. Soooo it's not new

My twin girls were lost for 20 mins.. 5 yo or thereabouts..it's terrifying. at NO stage did i think either had hit their head. It's not what you think..in my view it's a COG behaviour that she would say that. You wonder where they could have gone and you ask people and call out to them you DON'T assume they hit their head..

 

[Underarrest_]

First of all, how can you run malicious prosecution case if the prosecutor never mentions the suspects name? Or prosecutes? The foster mother hasn’t even been charged of William’s disappearance.

Secondly, the FF hasn’t been mentioned by police as being a suspect in William’s disappearance.

Thirdly, I think that some reputational damage has potentially been done as a result of the recordings of the FF and the FM intimidating and assaulting a 10 year old girl in their care were played in open court. IMO

…. Which is different and separate to William’s case, which is a homicide case. But then again, their names were still under suppression, however law link regularly published their full names in conjunction with court dates so you could say that was a lapse of the suppression orders.

And then maybe the FM’s employer has heard about the recordings of her abusing or intimidating the 10 year old girl, or read about it, and then they have also found out that the FM was convicted of the criminal charges and that’s caused a problem.

There are some jobs that require a clean police record.

If they didn’t want their reputations tarnished, then they should not have intimidated and assaulted a foster child in their care. That was their choice that they made, to do that.

I’m no defamation lawyer but it’s not defamation if it’s true. It’s true that the FM assaulted a foster child, twice and intimidated her too. It’s true that the FF intimidated a foster child.

No one in the police have said that the foster mother hurt William. They’ve said to her we know you loved him, that you’re a good person, that you wouldn’t have hurt him.

I think they have been very fair on her, and given her a chance to explain herself at the Crime Commission.

It’s very different to Spedding who was wrongfully imprisoned.

I think the point is to find William and to give him a respectful burial. That is the goal. I think sometimes people forget that.

I don’t know if FM can try and claim compensation (and I was clearly only referring to if she wasn’t guilty.) as in someone else was charged not her.
I don’t believe if FF has known all this time he should become an instant millionaire for any reason and I can think of a good place in the country (free rent and food) for him but I decided not to respond to your post because it’s your own opinion.
If by any chance (and I’m assuming police have a good reason to think it’s her) that she wasn’t guilty I believe she should be entitled to claim if she could. I put myself in someone’s shoes. I wouldn’t like to be accused of being a suspect of disposing of a child if I was innocent. If FM is guilty and/or FF knows they can both go to the place in the country. IMOO.

 

[Wallace52]

the issue is I referred to his foster parents as his parents? I believe our parents are those that raise us, spend time with us, sacrifice for us, provide us security and opportunity. Not necessarily those who gave us DNA. Nevertheless...

The air is very different, nowadays.

On the podcast ‘one last roar’ she clearly says that she felt relieved he would be home soon after receiving the text. About 7 minutes, This was podcast was subpoenaed. No one knows why it was subpoenaed

Boom! Great point!!!

 

[Wallace52]

I don’t believe if FF has known all this time he should become an instant millionaire for any reason

I was not serious about that. As if anyone’s going to give the FF a gold star for speaking up now after he’s been mute on this for 10 years.

It’s just that the $1M reward has become very ironic now and I’m trying to highlight the irony of it.

 

[jason_recliner]

Do you not have access to mainstream media? Or podcasts? Or the TV?

Are you like off-grid camping?

I googled William Tyrrell coronial inquest news 1 minute ago. Couldn't see where the coroner suspects William's foster mother did anything. Want to send me some links?

 

[Earls Smother]

If you had bothered to READ the post I was replying to: - below



You would see that I was saying that IF he had a medical episode, he "would be advised to stay home and rest" and I suggested and not go out into the bush alone and search for WT.

Nobody cares what you would do!

Nobody cares what you are saying.

 

[jason_recliner]

I was not serious about that. As if anyone’s going to give the FF a gold star for speaking up now after he’s been mute on this for 10 years.

It’s just that the $1M reward has become very ironic now and I’m trying to highlight the irony of it.

Certainly the move of a criminal mastermind to lobby the government - for several years - to massively increase the reward for solving the crime one had perpetrated! The very definition of ironic!

 

[Wallace52]

Certainly the move of a criminal mastermind to lobby the government - for several years - to massively increase the reward for solving the crime one had perpetrated! The very definition of ironic!

Let’s wait for the end of the inquest and find out, shall we?!

 

[Wallace52]

I googled William Tyrrell coronial inquest news 1 minute ago. Couldn't see where the coroner suspects William's foster mother did anything. Want to send me some links?

Are you Dan Box?

 

[Kurve]

I googled William Tyrrell coronial inquest news 1 minute ago. Couldn't see where the coroner suspects William's foster mother did anything. Want to send me some links?

You know this is as close as we're probably ever going to get to finding out what really happened to William when the DPP has been sent a brief with the cops recommending charges of 'pervert the course of justice' and 'interfere with a corpse', with a charge of manslaughter to be considered.

 

[Underarrest_]

I don’t see why there’s a competition of who right and who’s wrong. No one knows what evidence police have and everyone wants the truth and for William to be able to have a proper burial if he is declared deceased.
There’s never going to be a winner.

 

[jason_recliner]

Are you Dan Box?

Yep!

 

[Kurve]

Agreed. The DPP refused due to lack of evidence supporting the police case, and in light of all the refuting evidence. It probably wasn't the foster parents.

Really? Link?

 

[BFew]

You know this is as close as we're probably ever going to get to finding out what really happened to William when the DPP has been sent a brief with the cops recommending charges of 'pervert the course of justice' and 'interfere with a corpse', with a charge of manslaughter to be considered.

Raising the question of whether this is fair Justice for this to be publicly released prior to any charges being laid.

Around the world, are there any justice jurisdictions where this is not permitted, and the consequences of doing so are mandatory jailable offences if there was proven intent to breach this, and mandatory very quick massive monetary compensation to anyone who is on the other side of a clear breach and those hugely affected by the breach, like the loved ones, and family of the accused?

 

[Kurve]

Raising the question of whether this is fair Justice for this to be publicly released prior to any charges being laid.

Around the world, are there any justice jurisdictions where this is not permitted, and the consequences of doing so are mandatory jailable offences if there was proven intent to breach this, and mandatory very quick massive monetary compensation to anyone who is on the other side of a clear breach and those hugely affected by the breach, like the loved ones, and family of the accused?

Why wouldn't it be fair when whatever's in the brief would likely be aired through the coroner's inquiry anyway? If there's not enough evidence, then it's over.

We knew a brief had gone to the DPP over the Higgins rape in PH. That might have fallen over at any time.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I am saying that anyone who abducted William would have had to drive up Benaroon Drive far enough to see William and grab him from the property.
I am saying that very few people had a reason to be in Benaroon drive then and there.
I am saying that almost nobody would drive up there without a reason.
I am saying that the window of time available to grab William would have been quite short.

So no, "lots of people" could not have done it. It would have taken an exceptional person at an exceptional time in an exceptional place.

To be a person who firstly would abduct a 3YO boy on an impulse in broad daylight.
For that person to 'happen to be' driving up a dead-end street in a fairly remote rural neighbourhood.
And for nobody to hear or see this person long enough to identify them.
And to get away with it for ten years, and dispose of the body where it would never be found.
And for nobody to suspect this person enough to come forward despite a $1M reward being on offer.

Can't accept that being the 'most likely' explanation when there are so many unanswered questions about more probable scenarios.

Then you could do what many of us have done and check the traffic analysis for cars that turned into or out of Benaroon and subtract those we know lived their came and left in 1 hr..Yes I did that at one point and it proved to my satisfaction no one goes there unless you live there or have a specific reason. You can't just suddenly adopt this case as a new hobby and gather the wealth of information shared here .....the theories tested and rejected