Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[BFew]

Strike Force have snatched their brief back from the DPP, and are sitting on it for now.

Hence the inquest is going ahead.

I thought the DPP was just sitting on the brief until the Coroner's inquiry was concluded? Decision delayed.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/william-tyrrell-inquest-to-resume-after-major-delays/news-story/f7e85c45d2d0c90cb3c38f24f7cbe607

'William Tyrrell inquest to resume after major delays​

Steve Zemek
11:08AM August 20, 2024.
Updated 1:01 PM August 20, 202

... Last year, police handed a brief of evidence to the Director of Public Prosecutions that recommended William’s foster mother be charged with perverting the course of justice and interfering with a corpse.

In court on Tuesday, Ms Grahame was handed a letter from the DPP, outlining the status of that request for advice.

In the letter, the Director of Public Prosecutions, Sally Dowling SC, said that NSW Police had in April asked her office to “suspend” its request for advice until the conclusion of the final block of inquest hearings.
...'

 

[Wallace52]

I thought the DPP was just sitting on the brief until the Coroner's inquiry was concluded? Decision delayed.

That’s what’s gone down.

I don’t think it’s fair for people to be spreading misinformation regarding this.

There’s a process. Inquest first.

That’s also what happened in the Dawson case IIRC.

 

[Wallace52]

NSW Police had in April asked her office to “suspend” its request for advice until the conclusion of the final block of inquest hearings.

That’s what we are saying.

It disproves what you are saying.

 

[BFew]

It disproves what you are saying.

What am I saying? Remind me again pls.

 

[alwaysintrigued]

That’s what’s gone down.

I don’t think it’s fair for people to be spreading misinformation regarding this.

There’s a process. Inquest first.

That’s also what happened in the Dawson case IIRC.

So why did the cops send it to the ODPP & leak it to media before due process??

This case thrives on misinformation & always has.

Rumors that are turned into facts all the time.

Sadly William gets lost in all this noise

IMO

 

[BFew]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/william-tyrrell-inquest-to-resume-after-major-delays/news-story/f7e85c45d2d0c90cb3c38f24f7cbe607

'William Tyrrell inquest to resume after major delays​

Steve Zemek
11:08AM August 20, 2024.
Updated 1:01 PM August 20, 202

... Last year, police handed a brief of evidence to the Director of Public Prosecutions that recommended William’s foster mother be charged with perverting the course of justice and interfering with a corpse.

In court on Tuesday, Ms Grahame was handed a letter from the DPP, outlining the status of that request for advice.

In the letter, the Director of Public Prosecutions, Sally Dowling SC, said that NSW Police had in April asked her office to “suspend” its request for advice until the conclusion of the final block of inquest hearings.
...'

In May 2024 (3 months before the above article and the handing of the above-mentioned DPP letter to the Coroner) it was reported that NSW Police asked the DPP to suspend its review of evidence against William Tyrrell’s foster mother.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/dpp-suspends-consideration-of-charges-against-william-tyrrells-foster-mother/news-story/c90db49db46cc249293db6bba407211e

'DPP suspends consideration of charges against William Tyrrell’s foster mother​

Joanna Panagopoulos
3:13PM May 21, 2024.
Updated 3:43PM May 21, 2024

NSW Police have asked the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions to suspend its review of evidence against William Tyrrell’s foster mother, after police last year referred her to prosecutors for consideration of charges over the little boy’s disappearance.

It was previously reported that detectives believed they had enough to charge the 58-year-old woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, over William’s disappearance, and referred the matter to the ODPP.

Detectives recommended the woman be charged with perverting the course of justice and interfering with a corpse, and a brief of evidence was given to prosecutors in June to determine whether there was a reasonable prospect of conviction.
...'

 

[truecrimepath]

You could easily make a case for certain posters being very protective of "their" environment.

That might raise the hackles of other posters who have a different viewpoint and are forced into tit for tat situations.

I've read a few comments such as just above "You can't just suddenly adopt this case as a new hobby and gather the wealth of information shared here .....the theories tested and rejected"

That is a pile of shit. Even the police themselves will run fresh eyes over cold cases. People learn about true crime via all sorts of avenues. A closed shop of 6 or 8 posters, constantly agreeing with each other, does nothing to challenge aspects of the case. People can become so set in their opinion, that they'll swear black and blue the police have got it wrong if they charge someone else.

The police theory that the FM did it seemed to be on the verge of progressing to charges. I'd argue it's further away from that following the recent inquest tranche. There may be a smoking gun that will be revealed in December, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

I agree there is nothing that has been presented in the last week of the enquiry that would justify laying charges against the FM.

The problem is that there has been evidence withheld from the public presumably so that a trial could proceed without tainting a jury.

That’s the great unknown. The charge is perverting the course of justice. Which means that they can prove she intentionally mislead in her statements. I can point to areas already where her testimony does not stack up to scrutiny. Remember they got both Al Capone and Abe Saffron on tax evasion.

 

[stormbird]

<snipped>
The house should have been photographed including the verandah. The beds examined, the computers seized etc. This information may have implicated the ex fosters but could also have exonerated them.

FGM's house was examined and I'm guessing photographed two days after William went missing. (I don't know how that timing compares with other missing person cases, but my point is just that it was done.)

From Snr Cst Hudson's witness statement (post 397) which refers to FGM as "FFCM" (female foster carer's mother):

[Sunday 14 Sep 2014]

20. "About 1-37pm I assisted Crime Scene Officer Sergeant Shane Guymer and gained consent from the owner of premises 48 Benaroon Drive (FFCM). The consent form was filled out and signed by (FFCM). All persons left the premises whilst Sergeant Guymer conducted his examination. I returned to the command post."

 

[BFew]

So why did the cops send it to the ODPP & leak it to media before due process??

I learnt last night via Spotlight that Dan has no idea who leaked the info about the briefs against the FM. No clue.

Maybe Dan Box will revisit this in one of his upcoming William Tyrrell podcasts.

 

[jason_recliner]

Maybe Dan Box will revisit this in one of his upcoming William Tyrrell podcasts.

I will!!!

 

[BFew]

I will!!!

Me too

 

[Earls Smother]

I agree there is nothing that has been presented in the last week of the enquiry that would justify laying charges against the FM.

The problem is that there has been evidence withheld from the public presumably so that a trial could proceed without tainting a jury.

That’s the great unknown. The charge is perverting the course of justice. Which means that they can prove she intentionally mislead in her statements. I can point to areas already where her testimony does not stack up to scrutiny. Remember they got both Al Capone and Abe Saffron on tax evasion.

I pinched this from "somewhere". It would be interesting how they prove "intentionally mislead" given the study below.

Is Trauma Memory Special? Trauma Narrative Fragmentation in PTSD: Effects of Treatment and Response - PMC

Seminal theories posit that fragmented trauma memories are critical to posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD; van der Kolk & Fisler, 1995; Brewin, 2014) and that elaboration of the trauma narrative is necessary for recovery (e.g., Foa, Huppert, & ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[BFew]

I learnt last night via Spotlight that Dan has no idea who leaked the info about the briefs against the FM. No clue.

Here's the 3 weeks ago Spotlight segment that I've bookmarked for all to watch from near to the point Wallace52 refers to above.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Really? Link?

My theory is that it's a circumstantial case and the DPP probably said let's allow the inquest to proceed to its end and make the charging decision then. Seems logical to me

 

[31550]

I thought the DPP was just sitting on the brief until the Coroner's inquiry was concluded? Decision delayed.

Maybe. By 'returned the brief' I did not mean physically threw it back to NSWPOL. I meant put the ball back into NSWPOL hands for the next steps.

 

[31550]

My theory is that it's a circumstantial case and the DPP probably said let's allow the inquest to proceed to its end and make the charging decision then. Seems logical to me

I see no need to make one dependent on the other. The only charges in play relate to what happened after William died.
The inquest is concerned with HOW he died.
Don't expect the inquest to go over matters which are matters for the Criminal Court unless they actually overlap.

 

[31550]

I don’t see why there’s a competition of who right and who’s wrong. No one knows what evidence police have and everyone wants the truth and for William to be able to have a proper burial if he is declared deceased.
There’s never going to be a winner.

It's not a matter of winning or losing.
It's a matter of presenting facts which are actual truths, not lies or opinions stated as facts.
Everyone here has an interest. We should encourage people who are interested in the truth, and discourage others.

 

[Underarrest_]

It's not a matter of winning or losing.
It's a matter of presenting facts which are actual truths, not lies or opinions stated as facts.
Everyone here has an interest. We should encourage people who are interested in the truth, and discourage others.

I believe every one here has a genuine interest and want the truth.
I’d suggest you read EarlSmothers post 6075.
Half of what’s been presented as facts is based on memory.
We don’t know what evidence/facts there is.

 

[31550]

I believe every one here has a genuine interest and want the truth.
I’d suggest you read EarlSmothers post 6075.
Half of what’s been presented as facts is based on memory.
We don’t know what evidence/facts there is.

Memories aren't facts.

 

[Underarrest_]

Memories aren't facts.

Research about human beings and trauma memory is the best you’re going to get.
FF having an anxiety attack because he was told is not fact but discussed.
It would be good if we can just respect each other’s opinions/views.
We’ve all got something to give through our own lived experiences.
Hopefully the police have the facts.

 

[Earls Smother]

It's not a matter of winning or losing.
It's a matter of presenting facts which are actual truths, not lies or opinions stated as facts.
Everyone here has an interest. We should encourage people who are interested in the truth, and discourage others.

What some state as facts to support their viewpoint, are not necessarily indisputable facts.

An example is William did not leave the property on foot. On here this is deemed fact, which of course limits discussion options. It cannot be 100% certain this is the case. The dogs are fallible and they hardly had pristine conditions to work in.

There is every chance he went at least to the edge of the road opposite number 35, maybe a bit further. GJ states that his sister likely was the last one to see him and said he was looking for daddy.

I can’t say this definitely happened, but nor can you say it definitely didn’t. This forum seems to have ruled this out as an acceptable discussion point. You seem to be the gatekeeper on insuring it is shouted down at every opportunity.

Your “facts” should not be more readily accepted just because you and a few others say so.

 

[31550]

Research about human beings and trauma memory is the best you’re going to get.
FF having an anxiety attack because he was told is not fact but discussed.
It would be good if we can just respect each other’s opinions/views.
We’ve all got something

When did I state that as a fact?
I asked the question, "Did someone tell him something that caused an anxiety attack?"
This is a question. It is not stated as fact that he had an attack for that reason.
It is a fact that an ambulance was called for FF that evening. It is a fact that he suffered from anxiety for which he was taking prescribed medication and had the prescription filled that day. All supported by documentary evidence.

 

[Underarrest_]

When did I state that as a fact?
I asked the question, "Did someone tell him something that caused an anxiety attack?"
This is a question. It is not stated as fact that he had an attack for that reason.
It is a fact that an ambulance was called for FF that evening. It is a fact that he suffered from anxiety for which he was taking prescribed medication and had the prescription filled that day. All supported by documentary evidence.

As I said it is not a fact but it was discussed.

 

[31550]

There is every chance he went at least to the edge of the road opposite number 35, maybe a bit further. GJ states that his sister likely was the last one to see him and said he was looking for daddy

These are not facts either.

 

[Lady O]

You can't both be Dan Box! One can be Dan and one can be Box.