Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[31550]

I misread the post by storm bird .

Happens to the best of us. Sometimes even twice in one day.

 

[31550]

A good lawyer will make a case for it. It is so much like what happened to Bill Spedding.

A good lawyer will make a lot of money out of trying. I hope they try. Will provide more opportunity for the truth to come out.

 

[Wallace52]

Mr Barnes ordered those phones to be produced"

Who is Mr Barnes? Crime Commissioner lawyer?

Mr Craddock has said the photos are correct in open court.

Does he have evidence?

I’m just a bit incredulous about this.

 

[31550]

Stop your baseless attacks. Page 16 of this thread . 24th January. I misread the post and have commented. Why do you have to be so confrontational? You obviously have issues. Stop jumping to conclusions. There is plenty of mistakes I have seen you make. Your description of the sun direction was memorable. This is not the first episode of your appalling behaviour.

Get over yourself. You are the one who made the mistake. And I am supposed to remember what someone else posted on 24th January!
I jumped to no conclusions, other than you posted absolute crap. This turned out to be correct.

 

[Kurve]

Stop your baseless attacks. Page 16 of this thread . 24th January. I misread the post and have commented. Why do you have to be so confrontational? You obviously have issues. Stop jumping to conclusions. There is plenty of mistakes I have seen you make. Your description of the sun direction was memorable. This is not the first episode of your appalling behaviour.

I don't need to read Stormbirds post. I have Wendy's statement. At no place does it say FD said William went towards the carport.

It doesn't look to me that Stormbird has posted since 12:40am this morning, and that post has nothing to do with Wendy Hudson or the FD.

Stop making random shit up.

Break it up guise!

 

[31550]

Break it up guise!

Aye aye Ma'am

 

[passball]

Yeah I thought of the cemetery general location as an interim place myself but surely not

There were people all over that cemetery that day & the days following. Someone would have noticed a fresh dug up grave ( it's a very nice & neat cemetery )

Impossible IMO

Yes it does look very neat now that I have looked.
I'm just thinking which way would 'THEY' go which IMO would be the opposite of which way 'THEY' went, if 'THEY' went.
And not by use of a car.
In the FF walk-through he knew the owners of the place with the locked caravan were away.
How would he know that? I doubt FGM would have told him the night before when they arrived and he was gone before she got out of bed. So who told him that?
Sorry for the annoying posts but I'm trying to go through the tiny details that I've red flagged myself but probably others haven't mentioned and are probably insignificant.
Also trying to keep to the words that have come out of the FM, FF, and FGM in interviews and walk-throughs.
Keep thinking it's in the details, and in the files

 

[passball]

And did the FM use the FGM mobile to make the 000 call?
If hers wasn't on would the FGM landline have reception where she was.
She said she would ask the neighbour about the location when she was on the call so it sounds like she was on the St at that time.
But then was the FGM's mobile in a draw with a dead battery?

 

[Lady O]

This is something I have seen repeated & repeated as fact. Is there any evidence that the FGM had dementia at the time William went missing? I think by the time the inquest started, she may have been experiencing signs of dementia, she was not called as a witness that I know of. I guess she could have been in a closed court session?

There are several things in the FGM video that are not correct IMO

Like she was down on the road talking to Anne Marie before the FM called police. Anne Marie never said she talked to the FGM in her testimony ( I think this may have happened much later, if it happened ) Also she says the FF was not there that morning when she got up, he was, he just didn't have breakfast with them all IMO.

The FGM also says that the FF arrived when she was walking back up ( after supposedly talking to Anne Marie ) & that somehow he already knew.

Her times are way off IMO

Simply because she gave some incorrect information, does not mean she had dementia. She may have just got it wrong.

 

[Wallace52]

did the FM use the FGM mobile to make the 000 call?
If hers wasn't on would the FGM landline have reception where she was.

No, she used the land line. It was a cordless phone and she was outside of the house when she made that call.

 

[31550]

Simply because she gave some incorrect information, does not mean she had dementia. She may have just got it wrong.

When I see FGM walkthrough I see an elderly woman conflicted. Trying to co-operate with the police and be honest, but not wanting to cast shade on anyone else, and mindful of what she might have been told to say or not to say. She's proud to blurt out the breakfast menu details and 'everyone was happy' but then confused about how many people and what time. No knowledge of phone calls which clearly took place while she was there, can't remember which way she went down to the road or whether FD was with her. But clear about Spedding and Owen and when they were coming and where they lived. Possibly there is leakage in her ad lib statements, "jumping out of his skull, full of life" then "it was deathly quiet". Then she gives up, "I don't know, it was all a blur after that".
I don't think there's any mental incapacity. Just over careful about talking about some things and over eager to talk about others.

 

[passball]

No, she used the land line. It was a cordless phone and she was outside of the house when she made that call.

Must have a better landline that I owned around that time.
Mine would drop out pretty much on the top of my driveway near the house.
She would have been a fair distance from the base unit if she was on the St but if that's been proven I'm not pushing it.

 

[31550]

Must have a better landline that I owned around that time.
Mine would drop out pretty much on the top of my driveway near the house.
She would have been a fair distance from the base unit if she was on the St but if that's been proven I'm not pushing it.

Definitely used the landline to dial 000. That's how the operator knew the address. ( Even though FM then repeated it and spelled it back to her )

 

[passball]

I watched something in the last few days and it was said that there had been communication that morning about the FP"s adopting William.
Does anyone know about this?

 

[Lady O]

What makes you think he saw something?

His behaviour was odd agreed. He was mildly cognitively impaired.. I watched the GJ interview with him.. My opinion was he was straight as a lace truthful. Straight no answers without elaboration. No hint of deception either. Mmmmmm, I think it is a dead end. There is also the issue he had with Postie harrassing her. The FGM thought he was odd and asked LE to check on him.


What I will say is that IF FM has no involvement then it has to be someone there or a reason to be there. PS fits that mould. But where did he put him? why wasn't W found?

The other thing about PS is that the FGM said that after her husband died, he was going over to her place and kind of loitering outside (my words). She said she had to ask his wife to tell him to stop.

I don't blame Jubelin for being suspicious of him. He could well have been loitering in her yard when WT came around the corner.

 

[passball]

Definitely used the landline to dial 000. That's how the operator knew the address. ( Even though FM then repeated it and spelled it back to her )

Well at least that's put one phone in the picture, at that time
I minute to plug the base in and place the receiver(s) back IF they were taken hostage

 

[Awakening]

I'm wrong

 

[Awakening]

They can be tracked via IMEI or by GPS functions or certain phones have ‘back door’ access etc, as long as it has a battery & is not locked in a bunker!
But access to this information is dependant on police / network enquiry. iPhones are pretty useful in the right hands.

Exactly. Possibly you can avoid if you are able to remove the battery. How do you think find my phone apps find a phone that’s off? Now we have air tags. You don’t need a SIM card to be able to locate devices.

 

[Wallace52]

They can be tracked via IMEI or by GPS functions or certain phones have ‘back door’ access etc, as long as it has a battery & is not locked in a bunker!
But access to this information is dependant on police / network enquiry. iPhones are pretty useful in the right hands.

Breaking: New footage from the foster grandma’s house emerges!

 

[Awakening]

Yeah that was me. I stand by my comment 100%..it's not shit. The long term posters have TOGETHER worked through at least 30-40 + scenarios for what happened. We regularly disagreed ( still do) and there were tangents to theories some accepted others didn't ..Fresh opinions are always welcome. Fresh set of eyes yes. Articulate your theory with known facts and it will be tested as ALL theories have been. Don't take offence at the testing process because ALL have been subjected to it ....it's the manner by which the thread as a whole can assess merit of the theory. To describe it as being a gatekeeper to accepting new opinion is BS. I had a long running disagreement with 31550 about 9.37 am. Neither he or I or other long term posters keep you from articulating ANY theory you may have. We all want the truth and accept contributions to that end. You must understand though that virtually any theory has already been looked at so that historical analysis will be used as reference point. No gatekeeping..... just considered analysis that we draw upon. You disagree? Persuade us we were wrong or stand alone on your convictions. Both can happen and do happen

Wait. You are defending 31150 now?

 

[Awakening]

100%

Feel free to disagree, or put forward alternate theories. Opinions are welcome as long as they can be justified and are not dogmatic.

I have posted some things which were subsequently shown to be incorrect, and I was happy to be corrected and I accept when I do get things wrong. But try to be respectful to other people. And be mindful of the truth.

Did you just agree with ARB????

 

[Wallace52]

I watched something in the last few days and it was said that there had been communication that morning about the FP"s adopting William.
Does anyone know about this?

What did you watch? A TikTok?

I can’t recall if this was the case I am leaning towards no.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Wait. You are defending 31150 now?

I'm just messing with his head to get him to relax and take his guard down

 

[alwaysintrigued]

Who is Mr Barnes? Crime Commissioner lawyer?

Does he have evidence?

I’m just a bit incredulous about this.

Mr Michael Barnes is the Head of the NSW Crime Commission, prior to that he was a NSW Ombudsman & prior to that he was NSW State Coroner & QLD State Coroner

Commissioner Michael Barnes

www.crimecommission.nsw.gov.au

I don't think Mr Craddock would be saying such a thing if he didn't have evidence. He is an officer of the court after all.

 

[Awakening]

Well, FGM was elderly - So what.
FGM was later diagnosed with dementia. She was also later deceased but not in Sept 2014.
G jubelin tended to believe - say no more.
I have previous said, she lives alone, she drives to Lauriton for shopping. Other short term memory was fine.

Is it a fact she was diagnosed with dementia? I’ve often wondered where this information came from.