Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[passball]

In the FF walk through the Police asked him 'so who is the first person other than a family member OR FRIEND that you saw'.
What's this about a friend?
Whoever thinks William was looking at someone in that roar photo, this is for you.
Interesting he asked that but probably nothing.

 

[gymjam]

I just don’t agree with any of this.

Craddock opinion is his opinion. The podcast presenter’s take or angle is his take or angle.

And as he says “you don’t know what you don’t know.”

Craddock's opinion re the 5 photos appears to be based on the Xways forensic examination carried out on Friday 19th Sept 2014 and somehow after this the times connected to created times were changed? Who was responsible for authorizing this change? What if there is evidence discovered that questions the veracity of this change?

This whole case timeline depends on one unconnected photo that was taken on 1 September 2014. This date is not a typo.

What really strikes me is the time change was apparently based on a photo taken by one of the foster carers on their camera on 1 Sept 2014 that featured in the background of a this photo TV with a broadcast moment of 7s Sunrise show and a news segway that had a time on it and that time was 1hour and 58 minutes later than the photo exif data of the photo taken on the camera.

BUT

On that day the 1st Sept 2014 7s Sunrise was being broadcast direct from Hollywood USA. The Sunrise show was doing their 1st road trip across USA from 1st to 5th Sept 2014 incl.

In the leadup to 1 Sept 2014 Sunrise ran a cash cow comp and this comp also ran during the road trip. The cash cow 'actor' was also present in USA. Huge cash prized were available $30,000 plus.

Basically viewers had to text their address and name to a number by a certain time which changed daily. There would be a random draw for the daily prospective winner who would be contacted. The cash cow team would head to the address at a time unknown to the draw winner. If the door was not answered by the person whose name was used to enter the comp within a set tim, no win.

When a winner was found a staff member would turn up unannounced on winners doorstep at any time of the day.

This would be briadcast live and the time was displayed during the broadcast. There was NO noting if the time was AM or PM! There have been discoveries made that reveal some doorsteps occurred after dark and some in the morning.

Why has the time recorded in the background of the photo taken by one of the foster carers on 1 Sept 2014 photo not been released? It is possibly the most important time of thus case because it was used to set the corrected times of all 5 photos.

The Bali time setting on the camera story - 2hour difference Bali to Sydney and not adjusted on their return to Sydney seems to have been raised to support this 1 Sept 2014 exif data connected to this photo and the image accidentally captured in the background that has an unknown time to the public time .

Did whoever discovered this photo and who authorized the change of 1 hour 58 minutes which is not 2 hours, know that the 7 Sunrise broadcast was live from the USA with a massive time difference of around 19 hours on 1 Sept 2014?

 

[31550]

In the FF walk through the Police asked him 'so who is the first person other than a family member OR FRIEND that you saw'.
What's this about a friend?
Whoever thinks William was looking at someone in that roar photo, this is for you.
Interesting he asked that but probably nothing.

It's a standard police question looking for independent verification of the FF whereabouts at a certain time.

 

[31550]

Craddock's opinion re the 5 photos appears to be based on the Xways forensic examination carried out on Friday 19th Sept 2014 and somehow after this the times connected to created times were changed? Who was responsible for authorizing this change? What if there is evidence discovered that questions the veracity of this change?

This whole case timeline depends on one unconnected photo that was taken on 1 September 2014. This date is not a typo.

What really strikes me is the time change was apparently based on a photo taken by one of the foster carers on their camera on 1 Sept 2014 that featured in the background of a this photo TV with a broadcast moment of 7s Sunrise show and a news segway that had a time on it and that time was 1hour and 58 minutes later than the photo exif data of the photo taken on the camera.

BUT

On that day the 1st Sept 2014 7s Sunrise was being broadcast direct from Hollywood USA. The Sunrise show was doing their 1st road trip across USA from 1st to 5th Sept 2014 incl.

In the leadup to 1 Sept 2014 Sunrise ran a cash cow comp and this comp also ran during the road trip. The cash cow 'actor' was also present in USA. Huge cash prized were available $30,000 plus.

Basically viewers had to text their address and name to a number by a certain time which changed daily. There would be a random draw for the daily prospective winner who would be contacted. The cash cow team would head to the address at a time unknown to the draw winner. If the door was not answered by the person whose name was used to enter the comp within a set tim, no win.

When a winner was found a staff member would turn up unannounced on winners doorstep at any time of the day.

This would be briadcast live and the time was displayed during the broadcast. There was NO noting if the time was AM or PM! There have been discoveries made that reveal some doorsteps occurred after dark and some in the morning.

Why has the time recorded in the background of the photo taken by one of the foster carers on 1 Sept 2014 photo not been released? It is possibly the most important time of thus case because it was used to set the corrected times of all 5 photos.

The Bali time setting on the camera story - 2hour difference Bali to Sydney and not adjusted on their return to Sydney seems to have been raised to support this 1 Sept 2014 exif data connected to this photo and the image accidentally captured in the background that has an unknown time to the public time .

Did whoever discovered this photo and who authorized the change of 1 hour 58 minutes which is not 2 hours, know that the 7 Sunrise broadcast was live from the USA with a massive time difference of around 19 hours on 1 Sept 2014?

Regardless of the time a show is recorded, the time display is 'overlaid' on the video feed by the network when it goes to air and shows the actual time it is being transmitted over the network.

 

[Kurve]

Regardless of the time a show is recorded, the time display is 'overlaid' on the video feed by the network when it goes to air and shows the actual time it is being transmitted over the network.

The only way that could be faked is if the FM was playing a pre-recorded segment.

 

[Wallace52]

The only way that could be faked is if the FM was playing a pre-recorded segment.

No one would pre-record and then watch Sunrise. And this is why:

(1) It’s a crappy show
(2) It’s on every day so if you miss an episode you’ll catch one the next day

Unless they were planning a murder, of course.

 

[Wallace52]

In the FF walk through the Police asked him 'so who is the first person other than a family member OR FRIEND that you saw'.
What's this about a friend?
Whoever thinks William was looking at someone in that roar photo, this is for you.
Interesting he asked that but probably nothing.

What was his answer?

 

[31550]

What was his answer?

If I remember correctly he did not answer directly but pointed to the houses and said , "I went there, and I went there ... they weren't home, ..." or words to that effect ?

 

[LRitz]

Um NO

Why would she need to identify the phones themselves?

They did not produce the phones to her.

I think the CC would be more interested in any forensic data they could get of the phones as to the location of the phones ( which I would assume Strike Force Rossan would have done )

Ok this is a bit of a long story but bear with me. It refers to tracking cars and phones turned off.

In the Joe Tripodi, a NSW politician, case Tripodi drove Sydney to Wellington NSW to see Tony Kelly, about 5 hours in 2013. Attached news article. Before ICAC:....
"Tripodi was asked if he had told his former staffer and friend Rocco Leonello the reason ''you turned off your phone was because you didn't want anybody to track you as to where you were that day?''..."

So investigation knew he had the phone with him. They knew he drove to Wellington.They knew the phone was off. I am not sure if it was stated that they knew about his drive with his sat nav, or how exactly they came to these conclusions. Any way, it was a real gotcha moment.
Worth reading the article. It is a classic Kate McClymont reporting.

And more recently reported "...His (Obeid's) trial with Tripodi and Kelly is slated to start on May 12, 2025, with an estimate of nine weeks..." 2013 to 2025. The wheels of justice certainly turn slowly in NSW

Former NSW Labor trio to face corruption trial next year

One-time party powerbroker Eddie Obeid and his former political allies Joe Tripodi and Tony Kelly have been charged with misconduct in public office.

www.smh.com.au

 

[LRitz]

Because she is giving evidence which is critical to her precise movements. The entire case rests on exactly where she was and when. This needs to be determined beyond reasonable doubt and as precisely as possible. If she says she took a phone we need to know which one. Having her identify the phone she took while under oath puts this beyond reasonable doubt. If she says "I took Mums phone" we need to know if it was the cell phone or cordless landline handset". If she had more than one phone or SIM registered in her own name we need to know which device she means, beyond reasonable doubt. Otherwise she can later say, “Oh I meant the other one, I don't know why I said that“. They would want her to be very specific and definite.

Could FM have driven away from the house to make a phone call.

Maybe went there for better reception. How bad was the mobile reception at the FGM's house? FF claims the reason he went to Lakewood to make his work call is to get better reception. The 000 call is with the FGM's landline. She could have used another phone, or just changed SIM cards in her phone so it would not show up on her phone records. She then changes SIM back, and throws the burner sim out of the car. And it is never found. Needle in a haystack.

The question is why make a call that she does not want tracked? Possible IMO, to contact FF and check in on him and find out his expected return time.

 

[LRitz]

I misread the post by storm bird . Page 16. It was the media that said he went around the side of the house looking for FF based on conflating the FD and FM account.

Reading Wendy Hudson’s report confirms the sleeping arrangement and that 35 Benaroon was searched day 1.

I don't think this confirms the sleeping arrangements. Wendy Hudson reported what FD told her. FD says she slept in one room with FM, and William slept in other room with FF. But is FD sure of that fact. What if she goes to bed in one room and is told that William is in the other room. It would make sense.
But for all we know he could have been put to sleep on the laundry floor. If William was awake before FD she would not have been aware of where he slept. Smoke and mirrors. Assume nothing.

5 years olds are pretty truthful IMO, and accurate in the short term. This report was the same day. But 5 year olds are easy to trick or confuse. Xmas eve, put out carrots and cookies, Xmas morning carrots and cookes gone and there are presents, parents and older siblings say it must have been Santa. And guess what Santa has left a present that was on our list that you posted to him. So logically it must have been Santa.

FD does say they arrived last night, i.e Thursday night

W Hudson notes:....." I said, 'When did you come to nan's house?"
FD said 'last night' "

 

[31550]

I have been thinking about the 'pending' charges against the FM for interfering with a corpse etc.
Wondering why these seem to have been put on the back burner.
There is another good reason why this might have happened which I don't think we've discussed:

The suppression orders put in place in Dec 2021 jointly by the fosters, NSWPOL and DCJ which were appealed by Nationwide News (with co-plaintiffs Nine Network, ABC, and Network Ten) in 2022,
remain in force for 3 years, or until the Local Court matters (assault / AVO etc) were completed, or until the Inquest into William's death is completed.

I am assuming that there would be a similar suppression order request covering any further charges against the FM or FF related to William's case (e.g. interfering with a corpse). However no such charges have been laid (yet).

I'm assuming that when the Inquest reaches its conclusion, if there is no remaining court action against the fosters, then some or all of these suppression orders will be lifted in Dec 2024 (after 3 years)?

Maybe NSWPOL are not as dumb as I think, and this is a deliberate strategy to wait until suppression orders are lifted and the Inquest is concluded before potentially laying further charges?

 

[LRitz]

Yes it does look very neat now that I have looked.
I'm just thinking which way would 'THEY' go which IMO would be the opposite of which way 'THEY' went, if 'THEY' went.
And not by use of a car.
In the FF walk-through he knew the owners of the place with the locked caravan were away.
How would he know that? I doubt FGM would have told him the night before when they arrived and he was gone before she got out of bed. So who told him that?

Everyone knows!
The owners were away. Number 52, next door, able to see FGM's house and probably have view of back deck where the drawing took place. And see if anyone drove from 48 towards the dirt road into the state forest. But they did not see anything, because they were not there.

I bet FGM knew they were away. The other neighbours knew because they were collecting their mail. On Friday someone was able to fetch a key to unlock the house to search, in case William had somehow got into the empty locked house. When did FF find this out? That is not known, but as you said he is aware of it in his walk-through which is some days later. Possible FF and FM knew this before Friday.

Red Flags: the other neighbours across the road always, like clock work, leave in the morning around 8 for exercise. So the two house that could see cars leave 48, especially in the direction of the dirt road are not there between about 8:00 am and 9:30.

 

[LRitz]

When I see FGM walkthrough I see an elderly woman conflicted. Trying to co-operate with the police and be honest,

And be honest? Did we see different walkthroughs.
I saw the "which way would I have gone" walk through, where she magically runs into neighbour Anne Maree, even though this is at odds with FM not approaching her until later.
And I don't think this is due to dementia, or stress.
She doesn't say one nice thing about William.

 

[Earls Smother]

Everyone knows!
The owners were away. Number 52, next door, able to see FGM's house and probably have view of back deck where the drawing took place. And see if anyone drove from 48 towards the dirt road into the state forest. But they did not see anything, because they were not there.

I bet FGM knew they were away. The other neighbours knew because they were collecting their mail. On Friday someone was able to fetch a key to unlock the house to search, in case William had somehow got into the empty locked house. When did FF find this out? That is not known, but as you said he is aware of it in his walk-through which is some days later. Possible FF and FM knew this before Friday.

Red Flags: the other neighbours across the road always, like clock work, leave in the morning around 8 for exercise. So the two house that could see cars leave 48, especially in the direction of the dirt road are not there between about 8:00 am and 9:30.

So what? William was alive at 9:37.

Flags couldn't be greener.

 

[LRitz]

Just came across some old screen grabs of Jubes in the strike force situation room.

What an incredible insight into where the big guys did the special work.

And is that a picture from the Where's William website also posted on the car wall.

What are the pictures that are circled in yellow in the wall. I can't see them clearly.

 

[passball]

It's a standard police question looking for independent verification of the FF whereabouts at a certain time.

Thanks. Wasn't sure, and some people speculated about another person being there when the photo was taken

 

[31550]

Thanks. Wasn't sure, and some people speculated about another person being there when the photo was taken

There are multiple pieces of physical evidence placing FF elsewhere when the photo was taken.
There is no direct evidence that any other person was present when the photo was taken (besides FM, FGM and FD).

 

[Angry Red Bull]

So what? William was alive at 9:37.

Flags couldn't be greener.

9.37 isn't imo the last proof of life. POL requires independent confirmation. Even though it now appears that SFR accepts 9.37 we have done a deep dive here which says not only could edits be done but they wouldn't be detectable. The last proof of life was children heard playing just after 9 am. That now seems less likely given SFR theories on FM involvement and the 10.10 drive but clearly SFR have made mistakes else it would be solved.

It's possible that the trip started before 9.30 after heard playing POL and was heard/ finished with RETURN at 10.10.....the only time car was heard. That implies that Cobb & co is a ruse, that the trip was further afield, that edits did happen. What evidence? Well the evidence that NOTHING was found within the search zone including Cobb & co which together with persuasive COG behaviours appears possible. Also the evidence of Peter the truckie' not seeing FM where she supposedly went.

the window for death is just after when children were heard playing until possibly that car being heard which SFR has timed at 10.10. That's potentially 55 mins.

If children were heard by PS was it bike riding? Because if it was BR the Foster's have written out BR from all accounts until WWT podcasts. Why? That may account for SFR subpoena of those records, because of the anomaly.

Addendum: the evidence against 10.10 being return is the sound of gravel which means lower driveway

 

[truecrimepath]

Craddock's opinion re the 5 photos appears to be based on the Xways forensic examination carried out on Friday 19th Sept 2014 and somehow after this the times connected to created times were changed? Who was responsible for authorizing this change? What if there is evidence discovered that questions the veracity of this change?

This whole case timeline depends on one unconnected photo that was taken on 1 September 2014. This date is not a typo.

What really strikes me is the time change was apparently based on a photo taken by one of the foster carers on their camera on 1 Sept 2014 that featured in the background of a this photo TV with a broadcast moment of 7s Sunrise show and a news segway that had a time on it and that time was 1hour and 58 minutes later than the photo exif data of the photo taken on the camera.

BUT

On that day the 1st Sept 2014 7s Sunrise was being broadcast direct from Hollywood USA. The Sunrise show was doing their 1st road trip across USA from 1st to 5th Sept 2014 incl.

In the leadup to 1 Sept 2014 Sunrise ran a cash cow comp and this comp also ran during the road trip. The cash cow 'actor' was also present in USA. Huge cash prized were available $30,000 plus.

Basically viewers had to text their address and name to a number by a certain time which changed daily. There would be a random draw for the daily prospective winner who would be contacted. The cash cow team would head to the address at a time unknown to the draw winner. If the door was not answered by the person whose name was used to enter the comp within a set tim, no win.

When a winner was found a staff member would turn up unannounced on winners doorstep at any time of the day.

This would be briadcast live and the time was displayed during the broadcast. There was NO noting if the time was AM or PM! There have been discoveries made that reveal some doorsteps occurred after dark and some in the morning.

Why has the time recorded in the background of the photo taken by one of the foster carers on 1 Sept 2014 photo not been released? It is possibly the most important time of thus case because it was used to set the corrected times of all 5 photos.

The Bali time setting on the camera story - 2hour difference Bali to Sydney and not adjusted on their return to Sydney seems to have been raised to support this 1 Sept 2014 exif data connected to this photo and the image accidentally captured in the background that has an unknown time to the public time .

Did whoever discovered this photo and who authorized the change of 1 hour 58 minutes which is not 2 hours, know that the 7 Sunrise broadcast was live from the USA with a massive time difference of around 19 hours on 1 Sept 2014?

Who’s to say the camera was not adjusted to Bali time later to give the impression it was not adjusted. That’s why I prefer physical rather than electronic evidence. Too much capacity to deceive.

 

[31550]

9.37 isn't imo the last proof of life. POL requires independent confirmation. Even though it now appears that SFR accepts 9.37 we have done a deep dive here which says not only could edits be done but they wouldn't be detectable. The last proof of life was children heard playing just after 9 am

Why would you consider an unsubstantiated witness report of hearing children playing a proof-of-life if you don't consider the photos to be proof-of-life? There is no "independent confirmation" of children being heard. Could have been a radio or TV playing loudly. Could have been simply mistaken. At least the photos are multiple, have consistent timestamps, and multiple witnesses (FM and FGM) attesting to them being taken at that time and place, as well as X-Ways forensic examination.
But a person "hearing children playing around 9am" is definitive proof?

 

[truecrimepath]

This pic gives a great perspective of the small veranda. Have a look on the right.

Do you know when it was taken?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Why would you consider an unsubstantiated witness report of hearing children playing a proof-of-life if you don't consider the photos to be proof-of-life? There is no "independent confirmation" of children being heard. Could have been a radio or TV playing loudly. Could have been simply mistaken. At least the photos are multiple, have consistent timestamps, and multiple witnesses (FM and FGM) attesting to them being taken at that time and place, as well as X-Ways forensic examination.
But a person "hearing children playing around 9am" is definitive proof?

Because persuasiveness of evidence goes according to a hierarchy. At the top is evidence from third parties..toward the bottom is evidence from persons you are testing. That's because any evidence from a source that's an internal source is tainted in the sense it can be manipulated.....so is less persuasive, particularly when that person is POI.

For 6 years I did audit. We are taught that hierarchy. We don't accept assurance from the owner unless it is independently confirmed by us or third parties... Same principle with crime

So yes I place greater reliance on what a third party heard than I do the photos

 

[BFew]

I'm assuming that when the Inquest reaches its conclusion, if there is no remaining court action against the fosters, then some or all of these suppression orders will be lifted in Dec 2024 (after 3 years)?

The suppression orders on the Fosters being named, are primarily to protect the ID of the Foster Daughter (William's sister who is still a child) and possibly any of the other umpteen children that were ever in their care.

 

[BFew]

William was alive at 9:37.

That has not yet been proven to the public.

Hopefully the Dec 16-20, 2025 next inquest session, or Dan Box podcasts between now and then, can further reduce the likelihood that William was no longer alive at 9:37am, to make it easier to rule out a whole lot of other possibilities and potential perpetrators, and make it easier to prosecute whoever might be responsible for William's having gone missing (and his likely death).