Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[stormbird]

Reading the interview in its entirety you can discern a number of things:

• that WT went off the balcony to look FFs car
• the direction suggested by the detective from the various discussions with her was around the corner
• when asked specifically why he went around the corner she did what many children do when asked to elaborate…..say I don’t know.
• when asked where they went looking for WT she says up there and then there ie she was saying they looked everywhere for him

I think the message from the interview is she believed and detectives concluded they believed he went around the corner. The many directions were where they went looking for him. Different

The point remains ‘ around the corner’ is illogical to that purpose. So I don’t think it was a FM suggestion of let’s going looking for FF early. She would have went with him if so. I rather suspect they'd had an argument and am suggesting that he did what he perhaps always did and tried to find FF to undermine FM control. So he went around the corner possibly angry. The FM would likely have followed. The FD knew the pattern and he went searching for FF

"Reading the interview in its entirety": are you talking about Overington's version? She doesn't have anyone saying "around the corner". The detective says "went around there" a few times, but that would still make sense if she meant "went around Miller's house", or "went around the bird bath", or "went around the screen door and through the laundry". Even if she did mean "corner", the carport and upper driveway were also "around the corner", to the west instead of the east.

Angry Red Bull, your reading of it may well be right, all I'm saying is that more than one meaning could potentially be drawn from the words that were used.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

"Reading the interview in its entirety": are you talking about Overington's version? She doesn't have anyone saying "around the corner". The detective says "went around there" a few times, but that would still make sense if she meant "went around Miller's house", or "went around the bird bath", or "went around the screen door and through the laundry". Even if she did mean "corner", the carport and upper driveway were also "around the corner", to the west instead of the east.

Angry Red Bull, your reading of it may well be right, all I'm saying is that more than one meaning could potentially be drawn from the words that were used.

Yes agreed.

At one point the detective referred to a previous conversation and gestured…..
‘Down there’. That is all we have BUT we have a consistent theme from FM and FGM referring to around the corner. I surmise them to be same. Jubelin also has said both FGM and FD accounts were consistent so there is weight to that conclusion too. it’s by no means conclusive but I don’t suggest it to be.

 

[js47]

What a mess. Police cannot give a believable account nor can authors, reporters, or any one else.
Why? Because of the way the fosters speak in stilted narrative.
They were only involved in William’s care for such a short time memories may differ.
Great going everyone.
Yes Red Bull I too believe Wm. May have been angry and went looking for FF.
Not enough sleep big day before.
Strange house. Not given toys to comfort. Made to draw for some one who had died.
I wonder if the children attended the funeral? It would be a bit traumatic.
Wm. Would not understand when FF would be coming back.
I just have to shake my head.

 

[passball]

I know I said I wasn't a fan of the Witness Podcast but I wish Dan Box would release the next episode.
I want to know what was going on in the Mid-North Coast. What have they uncovered???
Drop the episode please.
.

 

[Underarrest_]

I know I said I wasn't a fan of the Witness Podcast but I wish Dan Box would release the next episode.
I want to know what was going on in the Mid-North Coast. What have they uncovered???
Drop the episode please.
.

That’s if they’ve uncovered anything or are they going to talk about the many child pedophile rings or the people who support stealing/hiding children in the surrounding areas.

 

[Kurve]

That’s if they’ve uncovered anything or are they going to talk about the many child pedophile rings or the people who support stealing/hiding children in the surrounding areas.

We'd all be shocked if we knew how many convicted sex offenders were in our own neighbourhoods I think.

The Witness podcast imo didn't deliver on what was promised, it fell short. There might be a possibility they were shut down by the court from releasing any further episodes until the Coroner's findings are handed down.

 

[passball]

I have gone down the rabbit hole with the child stealing/ hiding mob.
You will be surprised about that one, interesting.
We will have to wait for the next episode, could be anything.
As for the pedos, good luck with that one. They are a tight ring and they aren't like Pokemon, you can't catch 'em all.

 

[js47]

Wm. Was not happy. Maybe it would have been better to be placed with younger fosters or with his mother and siblings.

 

[js47]

It is going to be interesting what William’s parents, the police, and former carers have to say about the Coroner’s findings.
It will be interesting to compare one report against another.
No

 

[passball]

Wm. Was not happy. Maybe it would have been better to be placed with younger fosters or with his mother and

Makes me so angry how it came about, how William and his sister were given to the Fosters.
Maybe they were out at lunch with Michelle, ordered a side dish of 2 children, one of each, tout de suite, simples.

Through reading about Williams disappearance I've unfortunately realised how corrupt things are behind the scenes that the average Joe Blow doesn't even, or ever, think about.
I'll use the FMs favourite word, DISGUSTING.

Up to Part 1, Gary Jubelin.
What does the FM have on him?
What have they got in common to be so tight?
What is he scared of?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Makes me so angry how it came about, how William and his sister were given to the Fosters.
Maybe they were out at lunch with Michelle, ordered a side dish of 2 children, one of each, tout de suite, simples.

Through reading about Williams disappearance I've unfortunately realised how corrupt things are behind the scenes that the average Joe Blow doesn't even, or ever, think about.
I'll use the FMs favourite word, DISGUSTING.

Up to Part 1, Gary Jubelin.
What does the FM have on him?
What have they got in common to be so tight?
What is he scared of?

GJs competency has been put into question with the infighting, throwing him under bus, total change in direction so he now wants Roseanne and police hierarchy to be proven wrong and he right. That coincidentally coincides with supporting innocence of FM. Perhaps more but I think that is main thrust

 

[31550]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrell-detective-flags-unchecked-bins-after-toddler-disappeared/news-story/9ed07344ea11b2279364a6a361d6cd1d

Absolute incompetent turkeys. They will never find him. Only took ten years to realise they never searched bins on BCR? NSWPOL are a pack of pretenders.

 

[passball]

GJs competency has been put into question with the infighting, throwing him under bus, total change in direction so he now wants Roseanne and police hierarchy to be proven wrong and he right. That coincidentally coincides with supporting innocence of FM. Perhaps more but I think that is main thrust

I honestly think he has been manipulated by the FM, and still is.
I can see that his ego would have been bruised but it's insignificant to the bruising William and his sister endured.
And I shake my head that he dismissed the abuse of the FPs towards William's sister that was aired in court. Like honestly?? Can he not see their behaviour is abuse??
I think there is more to his relationship with the FPs.
It is an unhealthy relationship that continues.
I see that there were people that should have been investigated, which he did, but to 100% support the FPS even now makes me wonder WHY.
If he did get it wrong then accept it, it's not bad to be wrong, just wrong to not accept.

 

[passball]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrell-detective-flags-unchecked-bins-after-toddler-disappeared/news-story/9ed07344ea11b2279364a6a361d6cd1d

Absolute incompetent turkeys. They will never find him. Only took ten years to realise they never searched bins on BCR? NSWPOL are a pack of pretenders.

Maybe they can check those bins even now.
I've had the same bins for years and years.

 

[31550]

Maybe they can check those bins even now.
I've had the same bins for years and years.

They could go back and check the bin collection schedule for BCR in 2014 and see what depot the waste was dumped at. But after ten years, how would they locate, isolate, and identify DNA evidence? Forensic experts have already stated that even if William's location was known, there may not be viable DNA evidence remaining after this length of time.
And even if such evidence was found (e.g. William's DNA at a dumpsite) it gets us no closer to proving who put it there, when and why.

 

[passball]

They could go back and check the bin collection schedule for BCR in 2014 and see what depot the waste was dumped at. But after ten years, how would they locate, isolate, and identify DNA evidence? Forensic experts have already stated that even if William's location was known, there may not be viable DNA evidence remaining after this length of time.
And even if such evidence was found (e.g. William's DNA at a dumpsite) it gets us no closer to proving who put it there, when and why.

That's why I said to check the bins, if they haven't been replaced.
They might be able to check if there had been a body in there, maybe they already have.
If the FM placed William in a bin and then the FF removed his body on Saturday morning when he was missing from the house early to place the body somewhere else.
Bins don't get picked up on the weekend so you would think you would move the body somewhere else in case the Police did check the bins.
Thought bins would have been looked at, even for other evidence that could of been placed in them (shoes?)

 

[Angry Red Bull]

They could go back and check the bin collection schedule for BCR in 2014 and see what depot the waste was dumped at. But after ten years, how would they locate, isolate, and identify DNA evidence? Forensic experts have already stated that even if William's location was known, there may not be viable DNA evidence remaining after this length of time.
And even if such evidence was found (e.g. William's DNA at a dumpsite) it gets us no closer to proving who put it there, when and why.

The lies by FGM and FM. The leakages. The erroneous timeline. The misdirected reactions eg AMS being told he either was abducted or had hit his head as FIRST response make absolutely clear to me what likely happened. Intersects with the parental dysfunction and abuse. Yes.

The lack of cadaver indications in search zone nor cars makes it clear the body was hidden beyond that search zone once only but not far enough to bury a body or meander deep into thick bush. Did he bury W overnight? Possible I guess. Given we know what we now know what purpose would a pre dawn search by FF give next morning? One purpose imo but he wasn’t returned to car. He was buried where he was placed.

The Crabbes timeline for hearing car and PS hearing children play also limits the time available. It’s about 12 minutes away from house on my calculation. 25 min return trip. That now becomes the specific search zone. Fm even described it for us where he will one day be found. Nonsense to be talking about feral animals because cadaver dogs gave no indication at that spot and they passed close enough they should. Not there.

If I were in charge of Roseann I would have a team of cadaver dogs and handlers walk isolated roads within that search circle attempting to identify scent. It will likely be 10 metres from road in disturbed surface.

 

[passball]

The lies by FGM and FM. The leakages. The erroneous timeline. The misdirected reactions eg AMS being told he either was abducted or had hit his head as FIRST response make absolutely clear to me what likely happened. Intersects with the parental dysfunction and abuse. Yes.

The lack of cadaver indications in search zone nor cars makes it clear the body was hidden beyond that search zone once only but not far enough to bury a body or meander deep into thick bush. Did he bury W overnight? Possible I guess. Given we know what we now know what purpose would a pre dawn search by FF give next morning? One purpose imo but he wasn’t returned to car. He was buried where he was placed.

The Crabbes timeline for hearing car and PS hearing children play also limits the time available. It’s about 12 minutes away from house on my calculation. 25 min return trip. That now becomes the specific search zone. Fm even described it for us where he will one day be found. Nonsense to be talking about feral animals because cadaver dogs gave no indication at that spot and they passed close enough they should. Not there.

If I were in charge of Roseann I would have a team of cadaver dogs and handlers walk isolated roads within that search circle attempting to identify scent. It will likely be 10 metres from road in disturbed surface.

Yes, that's a good idea, also a lot cheaper exercise.
I wonder if they checked her brothers and their partners cars. Did they live close to the FGM? Were their cars picked up on CCTV that morning?
Can't believe the FGM wasn't investigated more.
If she can remember details about BS and GO, realise her washing machine is broken, organise trades, use her washing machine, drive herself, shop for herself, feed herself, clean up sfter herself, wash herself,, was mobile, she was fine, just shit about lying.

 

[passball]

Just read this quote.
"Beware the witness whose memory improves with the passage of time” - Ron Iddles

Ron iddles seems like he is an extremely wise man. His quotes seem spot on.
Wonder if he is following this case and what he thinks is the most probable scenario.

 

[js47]

Maybe they can check those bins even now.
I've had the same bins for years and years.

To much contamination.

 

[js47]

Wonder when the shiny spade hanging on the wall was bought before or after William’s disappearance?

 

[js47]

At the CC the FM said she did not take Wm. That she did not dump his body.
There is no sign of him leaving 48 BD.

I think she did not remove him from the property.

I think some one close to her did. When it was very quiet and had the opportunity.

What is needed is very bright minds to come up with where was Wm. kept.

 

[js47]

I wonder if neighbours next door owned a push bike?

 

[passball]

Did they check the bins at the neighbours house, the ones who were away?
The bins at the cemetery?
The cemetery still seems like a place to me. They were going to walk there to visit Opa so no car needed.
If I remember right, Council may have been replacing residents bins with new ones at that time.
They could also keep the old bins in addition if they wanted, use them for some other use.
Did any neighbours or people on BCR still have their old bins?

 

[passball]

I wonder if neighbours next door owned a push bike?

They had a cubby house and swings didn't they? So maybe a push bke too.
Why are there towels hanging on the handlebars of the kids bikes in the carport? It's so odd.
Anyone ever do that with their kids bikes?
What happened to their bikes? Gumtree?
Maybe the $1million reward would be better spent on buying the stuff the FF is selling. Barrels??? Wtf