Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Kurve]

William?

Skull of child or small person may have been deliberately placed in Gold Coast park, police say

Bushwalker’s discovery in Springbrook national park leaves Queensland police with ‘a lot of questions we need answers for’

www.theguardian.com

Assuming no teeth as there's no mention, with teeth I'd be pretty sure just about anybody would be able to take a rough guess of how old the person might be?

 

[passball]

That skull is a long way from Kendall.
Springbrook National Park does have bike trails.
Where was FF in his dirty car photo?

Seriously, I don't think any more twists are needed in William’s case.
Hopefully the skull find is something innocent.

 

[Earls Smother]

Assuming no teeth as there's no mention, with teeth I'd be pretty sure just about anybody would be able to take a rough guess of how old the person might be?

A skull without teeth would be pretty odd wouldn't it? They would have said infant, rather than child, if it was genuinely of pre-teething age. They would be careful not to specify "3 years old approximately" (as an example), as it would cause media chaos. If the teeth have been deliberately removed, that would point to foul play.

The mention of a prank doesn't seem to fit, as why would you leave it 10 metres off the track? They said it appears to have been lying there for some time - you'd think a prankster would want it found quickly.

Not sure why they mention "appears deliberate". How the hell would it get there accidentally? A "mis-placed museum artefact" seems to be complete nonsense as well. Do they expect the public to accept that the curator had too many beers at closing time and took a skull for a walk instead of his dog?

 

[Kurve]

A skull without teeth would be pretty odd wouldn't it? They would have said infant, rather than child, if it was genuinely of pre-teething age. They would be careful not to specify "3 years old approximately" (as an example), as it would cause media chaos. If the teeth have been deliberately removed, that would point to foul play.

The mention of a prank doesn't seem to fit, as why would you leave it 10 metres off the track? They said it appears to have been lying there for some time - you'd think a prankster would want it found quickly.

Not sure why they mention "appears deliberate". How the hell would it get there accidentally? A "mis-placed museum artefact" seems to be complete nonsense as well. Do they expect the public to accept that the curator had too many beers at closing time and took a skull for a walk instead of his dog?

Yes it would be odd to find a skull without teeth but they've been found like that before. Even if the jaw was missing there should still be upper teeth, I'd think.

This comment is weird:

Police said the skull was small and may belong to a child or a person of light build.

 

[Earls Smother]

Yes it would be odd to find a skull without teeth but they've been found like that before. Even if the jaw was missing there should still be upper teeth, I'd think.

This comment is weird:

Police said the skull was small and may belong to a child or a person of light build.

The more weird, non-specific comments that are made, the more it is obvious they are doing it deliberately to throw people off the scent. That suggests to me, if they were totally up front, it would cause a great deal of interest and speculation.

 

[passball]

A skull without teeth would be pretty odd wouldn't it? They would have said infant, rather than child, if it was genuinely of pre-teething age. They would be careful not to specify "3 years old approximately" (as an example), as it would cause media chaos. If the teeth have been deliberately removed, that would point to foul play.

The mention of a prank doesn't seem to fit, as why would you leave it 10 metres off the track? They said it appears to have been lying there for some time - you'd think a prankster would want it found quickly.

Not sure why they mention "appears deliberate". How the hell would it get there accidentally? A "mis-placed museum artefact" seems to be complete nonsense as well. Do they expect the public to accept that the curator had too many beers at closing time and took a skull for a walk instead of his dog?

Night at the Museum?

 

[31550]

Yes it would be odd to find a skull without teeth but they've been found like that before. Even if the jaw was missing there should still be upper teeth, I'd think.

This comment is weird:

Police said the skull was small and may belong to a child or a person of light build.

A skull would only be found without teeth if it was relocated - the teeth might then fall out during exhumation and or relocation. Otherwise there would always be teeth attached unless the victim was toothless or teeth were deliberately extracted by someone.

 

[passball]

Some sites are saying human bones, not specifically a skull.

 

[js47]

Teeth may have been removed because of dental records.

 

[Kurve]

Some sites are saying human bones, not specifically a skull.

"Human remains/bones" were the initial older reports. The latest and updated reports all specify a skull was found.

 

[DropBearess]

This idea isn't mine, as it evolved from a very valid suggestion on another site. Have the FPs ever engaged the services of a Private Investigator?

If my child went missing without a trace and l had unlimited financial resources, this is what l would do. I would try anything. I wouldn't be wasting time and money on PR artillery, ribbons, press conferences, yum cha, drunken cruises and podcasts of dubious origin. If l was dissatisfied with police investigations, past or present, l'd let rip with the best Private Investigators on the planet.

On SM-A356E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[passball]

This idea isn't mine, as it evolved from a very valid suggestion on another site. Have the FPs ever engaged the services of a Private Investigator?

If my child went missing without a trace and l had unlimited financial resources, this is what l would do. I would try anything. I wouldn't be wasting time and money on PR artillery, ribbons, press conferences, yum cha, drunken cruises and podcasts of dubious origin. If l was dissatisfied with police investigations, past or present, l'd let rip with the best Private Investigators on the planet.

On SM-A356E using BigFooty.com mobile app

I think they would have been paying for that PI for the last 10 years.its more it takes a village on this one.

 

[stormbird]

William?

Skull of child or small person may have been deliberately placed in Gold Coast park, police say

Bushwalker’s discovery in Springbrook national park leaves Queensland police with ‘a lot of questions we need answers for’

www.theguardian.com

From the Gold Coast Bulletin, 06 Jan 2025, 4:33 pm (paywalled):

'...[the skull was] sent to forensic pathologists for analysis.

However, that testing has not been able to determine whether the skull is human with more analysis required.

That process is expected to take weeks or even months. [...]

... no evidence of foul play or any further bones were discovered apart from what appeared to be a human skull sitting on top of the forest undergrowth just metres off a walking track.

Chief Superintendent Craig Hanlon from Gold Coast Police said earlier on Monday that things would become clearer after analysis from experts.

“It appears to be a small human skull (but) it could be a movie prop or it could be from a museum,” he said.'

 

[stormbird]

From the Gold Coast Bulletin, 06 Jan 2025, 4:33 pm (paywalled):

'...[the skull was] sent to forensic pathologists for analysis.

However, that testing has not been able to determine whether the skull is human with more analysis required.

That process is expected to take weeks or even months. [...]

... no evidence of foul play or any further bones were discovered apart from what appeared to be a human skull sitting on top of the forest undergrowth just metres off a walking track.

Chief Superintendent Craig Hanlon from Gold Coast Police said earlier on Monday that things would become clearer after analysis from experts.

“It appears to be a small human skull (but) it could be a movie prop or it could be from a museum,” he said.'

Any criminologists etc here? I'm wondering why it would be hard to tell the difference between a human skull and a movie prop. Wouldn't forensic pathologists at least be able to identify whether it's made of bone or something else?

 

[js47]

That area is very dense bush. If it was 10mtrs off the track that is odd.
Why were the people off the track?

If it was close to the path surely other walkers would have seen it.

It is very beautiful though.

 

[Underarrest_]

Any criminologists etc here? I'm wondering why it would be hard to tell the difference between a human skull and a movie prop. Wouldn't forensic pathologists at least be able to identify whether it's made of bone or something else?

Good question
and why would anyone put a movie prop metres off a track in a forest.
All sounds very strange.

 

[stormbird]

Good question
and why would anyone put a movie prop metres off a track in a forest.
All sounds very strange.

There's a film studio at Oxenford on the Gold Coast. Maybe the skull was found somewhere that was used as a location?

Village Roadshow Studios

https://villageroadshowstudios.com.au/about/filming-locations

 

[js47]

Films are made at Mudgeeraba and Bonogin, which is very close to Springbrook.

I think Pathologist would be able to tell if was human bone.

It will be interesting to see if there is any murmurs, are the Qld police speaking to the NSW police.

Springbrook is close to the NSW border.

 

[Underarrest_]

Only 148kms from Casino via kyogle to Springbrook.

 

[stormbird]

From the Gold Coast Bulletin, 07 Jan 2025 (paywalled):

..."further testing has revealed the skull is indeed human, but most likely a museum artefact potentially hundreds of years old.

Markings on the skull suggest it has at some stage been in the hands of archaeologists, leading police to conclude the skull belonged to an educational facility such as a museum and was not part of a grisly crime."

 

[stormbird]

From 7 News, 07 Jan 2025:

“Following thorough forensic examination, it is believed that a skull discovered on a bush track in Springbrook on January 3 is likely to be a historical museum specimen,” a police spokesperson said on Tuesday. [...]

“Initial forensic analysis, including CT imaging, and expert evaluations support the current conclusion.” [...]

Police could not say where the skull had come from, or whether it had ever been reported missing or stolen.

The case is now being referred to the coroner to try to work out what happened."

 

[Awakening]

They could go back and check the bin collection schedule for BCR in 2014 and see what depot the waste was dumped at. But after ten years, how would they locate, isolate, and identify DNA evidence? Forensic experts have already stated that even if William's location was known, there may not be viable DNA evidence remaining after this length of time.
And even if such evidence was found (e.g. William's DNA at a dumpsite) it gets us no closer to proving who put it there, when and why.

They’ve completely stuffed the case up. Even if the person/s responsible are found, can you imagine the field day a half decent defence lawyer would have with NSWPOL?

 

[js47]

Some one may have returned the skull to the bush because of ethical reasons. They may have felt it should not be handled as a specimen.

 

[js47]

Imagine the kind of person who would put a child in a bin?
I hope for the bio family that is not the case.
Wm.’s siblings are getting old enough to follow this thread.
Let’s hope he is in a much nicer place if he is not alive.

 

[js47]

Sorry to post three times and change the thread.
If FGM had an appointment in Port Macquarie with the police why was it there?
Also!……why did she feel she had to explain to people not connected to the case Wm. Was fostered?
I cannot find this info. I am sure I read it just recently.