Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

This whole bit about bike riding is totally uncorroborated fiction. It's all narrative. No evidence whatsoever. IMO

Yes I agree.

What I'm looking for are anomalies. One significant one is that the whole time of the verandah is truncated to 1-2 lines yet we are told it was instead 1 hour and only then because we had to get to 10 am and cups of tea and William going daddy tiger around the corner. This is a glaring omission which perhaps isn't surprising given FGM saying "this was where it all happened"

It's a natural reaction to avoid or diminish that which led to his demise. I suspect that is the motivation here. An argument happened perhaps. I also think that the errors by FGM are intentional too around 8 to 9 time. Why and how I don't know but they are bringing attention to this by their behaviour

The photos of William on the back porch have been accepted by the court as proof of life at 9.38am or whatever time it was, on the morning he disappeared.

So what if the elderly FGM got a bit muddled, she was obviously nervous.

I'm approaching it with clear slate because clearly the Inquest and SFR are wrong so you are forced to reconsider possibilities and test them.

 

[Kurve]

I'm approaching it with clear slate because clearly the Inquest and SFR are wrong so you are forced to reconsider possibilities and test them.

Big call.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Big call.

I don't think it's a big call. If you follow inquest and or SFR you end up in the same destination......nowhere. So it's kind of essential you deviate but only with sound logic in support


William wasn't at cnr of Cobb and co and BCR. Cadaver testimony proves that imo. They have wrongly thought a dog could walk past that location and not indicate from close proximity even if taken by feral animals. That is erroneous. I therefore think it necessarily means he was taken outside search zone from the start. it's the only explanation imo.

 

[Underarrest_]

Any comment on if FF drove to Lakewood and back in the Land Rover.

Only what we know of from the cctv.

Do we know of evidence of what time FF pulled up in the driveway?

 

[js47]

And is it in this transcript of the interview, does FF get the name Lakewood all mixed up? He says something like he was going to Lake Cathie on the way to Laurieton. But from Kendall Latke Cathie is not on the way. So why did he make that error? He was familiar with the area.

He was not only familiar with the area he should be able to remember areas because of his profession.
I wonder if he had a successful business outcome?
If he had all these business calls lined up what would he have done if he left on the Friday?

 

[31550]

Only what we know of from the cctv.

Do we know of evidence of what time FF pulled up in the driveway?

Evidence is the phone call at 10.23, the 'home in 5' text at 10.30 (both verifiable forensically) and AMS testimony she heard him around 10.40am, then went to Paul Savage at 10.50. Concurs with FM account of meeting him in carport around 10.35am.

 

[js47]

re: I suspect the Foster's wanted to keep FGM safe so told her to say she wasn't even up when he left.

Interesting in FGM longer walkthrough she also says she did not see him return in the car.
FGM is asked what happened after William disappeared and she looked for FM at the road and saw Neighbour Anne Maree (Which of course is at odds with Anne Maree's version) Words to the effect
Q police: did you remember seeing his (FF's) car?
A FGM :" No No. I saw him(FF) before i saw the car, of course"

And of interest. Just before this FGM is asked where her car is . She starts to say something that has been beeped out. It is hard to make out but i think she mentions FM. Is she saying it is where FM parked the car in the car port?

Huh! The car is parked right next to the patio. Didn’t the FF say when he got home they were on the patio? Didn’t the FGM hear the car pull up?
If FM went and spoke to FF what did the FGM think she was doing?
Also when did FM ring Young Hope?

 

[js47]

His car (LandRover) was seen on the tennis club CCTV (if not on other CCTVs). How, where and when could he have switched vehicles?
He only had access to his car and FGM car. How else could he get to Lakewood and back?
FGM car was not seen on any CCTV AFAIK.
FM says SHE drove FGM car.
FF car was not at FGM when William disappeared. Nor was it seen in Benaroon Drive during the time FF was in Lakewood.
According to one of the books, some locals commented on his car when they saw him in Lakewood ("Nice car, mate.")
No reason for him to take a car other than his own.
I see no possibility for him to have made the trip in anything other than his own car, and surprised it's even been suggested.

Didn’t know locals commented on his car. Who were the locals, where were they from, CH or Kendall and when did they see the car and on what day?
I questioned if he took the FGM car because the pols. asked if the FM had access to another car?
Why was FGM asked if she saw his car come home?

 

[js47]

"Now where did I see him? I think I saw him HERE. No no I'm not really sure when I saw him, but it was after all this had happened."
So your car was in there ?
In the carport.
And do you remember seeing [FF]'s car?
No he, oh oh, ... I saw him before I saw the car, his car, of course.
Do you remember what [FF] said to you? Do you remember how he was?
Oh he, ... how he knew at that stage whether he ... I don't know, .."

One way this could coincide with FM account and known facts about FF return is if FM had gone back to the house via the driveway, passing AMS and FGM. Then FGM walks back up around the high balcony towards the verandah at the same time FF drives up Benaroon, and FGM sees FF already in the back yard - FF has already returned via car and had the exchange with FM in the carport. BUT AMS said she could hear FF when FM first spoke to her. AMS never mentions talking to FGM, but if it happened then it was clearly after FM spoke with AMS, as she had already sent FM down the street to the bus stop.

This is why I suggested that maybe it was FGM who drove the car and not FM - because there is just no accounting for FGM time between when William disappeared and when FF returns home. Whereas, there is over-accounting for FM's time during this period - she couldn't possibly have done all the looking, talking to neighbours, AND taken the drive in such a short time. What was FGM doing? Just drinking tea?

Or the drive was complete before all this happened. Or the drive never happened.

OMG! Yes it fits.

 

[passball]

Did the Foster Grandad own a car?

Would the FF have time between 8-9 to go to Khodarys chemist at Lake Cathie and back to FGMs and then go to Lakewood?
Could he go to Lake Cathie without being seen on CCTV?
Maybe he had 2 scripts, maybe even for the same medication but with different dates on them so the pharmacists wouldn't know that is was dispensed twice on the day.

 

[passball]

Were there stairs from the inside the house ever to the garage underneath?
I just find it odd with the white painted rail that's in the middle of the house, looks out of place.
Long way to walk if you used the garage and then walked to the front door.
Me being lazy but also poor planning.
Secret staircase??

 

[js47]

Were there stairs from the inside the house ever to the garage underneath?
I just find it odd with the white painted rail that's in the middle of the house, looks out of place.
Long way to walk if you used the garage and then walked to the front door.
Me being lazy but also poor planning.
Secret staircase??

Yes there is a door in the garage that probably leads to the house. The front door, there is a door at the carport, the patio, and the veranda. So quite a few entries. There is a plan of the interior of the house the FM drew on. There is a manhole to the roof in the carport photo where the police have gathered the one with the ramp.

 

[passball]

Yes there is a door in the garage that probably leads to the house. The front door, there is a door at the carport, the patio, and the veranda. So quite a few entries. There is a plan of the interior of the house the FM drew on. There is a manhole to the roof in the carport photo where the police have gathered the one with the ramp.

I dont remember seeing stairs inside the house leading to the garage underneath, meaning the garage nobody uses, in any plans that I have seen.
What area of the house do they come up into?

 

[passball]

You have now got me thinking about the manhole again.
Did they ever do forensics or use luminol up there?
If that's where he was hidden he would have been there for over the 2 hour mark, cadaver.
Maybe the FGMs car was hot because it had to be moved to get to the manhole, twice, once for the body and again just after the 000 call as the shoes were still there and they too had to go up.
That's why the car was warm because it had been moved in the last 6 mins.

 

[stormbird]

Were there stairs from the inside the house ever to the garage underneath?
I just find it odd with the white painted rail that's in the middle of the house, looks out of place.
Long way to walk if you used the garage and then walked to the front door.
Me being lazy but also poor planning.
Secret staircase??

I don't think there were internal stairs. There's a video in the article below, filmed during the 2021 search of the garage, and there are no stairs visible in that. They might have been removed in the years 2014-21, but there doesn't look to be any place they would have been.

See the video "William Tyrrell search continues", caption: "Video supplied by Police: Police use a ground penetrating radar on the cement floor of the garage of William Tyrrell's foster grandmothers home in Kendall."

There are better views towards the end when the police dog is searching.

News.com.au, 19 Nov 2021

https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...d/news-story/5e213685adb9e172993fd69f91bea153