Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

i hope you develop a mutually exclusive magnolia tree

Don't know what sort of tree it was..but it was 40' tall and foliage filled the sliding door and was there in the photo on 12th but it and about 5 others trees bushes were cleared by walk through on 18th being the time when everyone was at that house searching for W. The photos were substituted!!! The time stamps are wrong

 

[pinkjellybean]

I have started to listen to the Witness podcasts.
It's like listening to an audio book sponsored by the FP fans. So biased.
And no respect for the Bios, disgraceful.

It's right up there with the Lia Harris one.

 

[passball]

It's right up there with the Lia Harris one.

I will listen to hers again.
It's been a while and after listening to interviews and reading articles it all gets confusing where I've heard or read what.
I got quite angry with the Witness ones so I'll prepare myself for Lia's.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I have started to listen to the Witness podcasts.
It's like listening to an audio book sponsored by the FP fans. So biased.
And no respect for the Bios, disgraceful.

All the NSM are lining up to get their story..pathetic when I know what I know

 

[passball]

I try to imagine the trip from the time the kids were picked up from daycare and I get stuck at them arriving in the car. Did they even take william out or leave him there asleep?
I have also read or heard that FF went to bed first and then another saying he stayed up and had some drinks and was the last to bed. Which is it?
Are there any stories or narratives that say the same thing?

 IMO

 

[passball]

All the NSM are lining up to get their story..pathetic when I know what I know

I think if what you say you know doesn't include the FPs involvement then I'm going to find that hard to believe. Sorry.
I have the irritating to even me tunnel vision.

IMO

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I think if what you say you know doesn't include the FPs involvement then I'm going to find that hard to believe. Sorry.
I have the irritating to even me tunnel vision.

IMO

MSM all think the inquest is going to exonerate them.

I can't say what I think because it will be deleted. I'll PM you

 

[passball]

MSM all think the inquest is going to exonerate them.

I can't say what I think because it will be deleted. I'll PM you

I think the FPs are confident of that as well.

It's a very uncomfortable thought that 2 people could potentially be responsible for a missing child and nobody knows anything about them.
The invisible case.

 

[31550]

I think the FPs are confident of that as well.

It's a very uncomfortable thought that 2 people could potentially be responsible for a missing child and nobody knows anything about them.
The invisible case.

That (the anonymity and secrecy) is a key issue. IMO
Second only to justice for William.
But something needs to be done about this legal mess.
I have previously suggested a policy change. that in the case of a foster child going missing for say, at least 24 hours, then "all bets are off" so to speak in regards to the protection of the foster parents identities. Finding the child must come first. The life of an innocent child always outweighs the privacy of an individual IMO.
If foster carers don't like this, then don't go into foster care, OR make sure your children don't go missing!
I imagine this case would have run quite differently if pictures of the fosters and their names had been posted all over the country, along with William's Spiderman photo, within 24 hours of him going missing.

 

[winyhill]

I'm advised that this is what she was wearing..I can't confirm it. That's not what she was wearing on the verandah.

That's the thing if a substitution occurred then facts which show inconsistency become COG evidence.

But what you are overlooking is that she was sitting on the verandah, in very casual clothing and a lady of that vintage would have changed into something more suitable to receive visitors when the crowds starting arriving. Nothing suspicious about that.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

i hope you develop a mutually exclusive magnolia tree

Turns out it wasn't a magnolia tree..but a tall tree 40'. Right in front of that window

I mark the tree.

Chopped down on 18th when was allegedly there 12th

The timestamps are wrong because the photo was substituted. TCP worked this out from the planter stand flowers comparison

 

[winyhill]

First things first. The case and William..the coroner. More evidence..I want no squirm room

There will be no more evidence for the coroner. Remember the inquest is finished and the findings will be released later this year. The coroner has said she will not be re-opening to hear any more evidence. So your evidence will not be considered by her now.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

There will be no more evidence for the coroner. Remember the inquest is finished and the findings will be released later this year. The coroner has said she will not be re-opening to hear any more evidence. So your evidence will not be considered by her now.

No they are accepting submissions to June.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

But what you are overlooking is that she was sitting on the verandah, in very casual clothing and a lady of that vintage would have changed into something more suitable to receive visitors when the crowds starting arriving. Nothing suspicious about that.

9.37 alleged deadline. 10.30 start search. 10.56 000 call. They then arrived within minutes..I'm told a record was made of clothing. After arrival they all searched still..

If clothing differs and is that on balcony it doesn't match verandah. That error is unmistakable when you allegedly substitute photos. There will be differences and those differences will be evidence.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

There will be no more evidence for the coroner. Remember the inquest is finished and the findings will be released later this year. The coroner has said she will not be re-opening to hear any more evidence. So your evidence will not be considered by her now.

June deadline for submissions.

There is nothing that anyone can do now to stop the train rolling on. Inquest can delay to look for more evidence.. or reopen. SFR can collect any from crimestoppers.

If there is criminality it will surface of that you can be certain. Elapse of time won't hinder it

At days end I can use MSM to show what I have too

The photos are already evidence. Their evaluation is with framework of inquest

 

[LRitz]

I think the FPs are confident of that as well.

It's a very uncomfortable thought that 2 people could potentially be responsible for a missing child and nobody knows anything about them.
The invisible case.

Confident nothing would be found at the Cobb and Co dig.
Confident enough to do multiple interviews.
Confident enough to see cars that allegedly were there at Benaroon that no one else saw and then just say it was false memories.

Also so confident they are trying to overturn the courts rulings.

From a recent article (Steve Zemek, news.com.au.) regarding FF's appeal to get his conviction of intimidation reversed.

"...He also called the child a “f***ing stupid little sh*t”, the court was told on Monday. The court was also played another later recording during which he told the child he would never physically harm them.
“I would never touch you,” the man said...."

So....... here's my problem with this. The FF was not found guilty of assault. There are some that say that FF would not hurt any one. I even recall that this forum had posts looking at the FM, but defending the FF and saying he probably didn't even know what happened that day.

So why does FF have to even say that to FD? Why does he have to reassure her that she is safe? Is she more afraid of him than FM? Does she now have suspicions of what happened to William?

And his barrister said that they were “instructions by an exasperated parent". Really! I wonder how that barrister speaks to his family and loved ones when he is exasperated?

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/big-hole-in-intimidation-case-against-william-tyrrells-foster-father/news-story/4df64712bd6e0875089db0cd84ca60db

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Confident nothing would be found at the Cobb and Co dig.
Confident enough to do multiple interviews.
Confident enough to see cars that allegedly were there at Benaroon that no one else saw and then just say it was false memories.

Also so confident they are trying to overturn the courts rulings.

From a recent article (Steve Zemek, news.com.au.) regarding FF's appeal to get his conviction of intimidation reversed.

"...He also called the child a “f***ing stupid little sh*t”, the court was told on Monday. The court was also played another later recording during which he told the child he would never physically harm them.
“I would never touch you,” the man said...."

So....... here's my problem with this. The FF was not found guilty of assault. There are some that say that FF would not hurt any one. I even recall that this forum had posts looking at the FM, but defending the FF and saying he probably didn't even know what happened that day.

So why does FF have to even say that to FD? Why does he have to reassure her that she is safe? Is she more afraid of him than FM? Does she now have suspicions of what happened to William?

And his barrister said that they were “instructions by an exasperated parent". Really! I wonder how that barrister speaks to his family and loved ones when he is exasperated?

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/big-hole-in-intimidation-case-against-william-tyrrells-foster-father/news-story/4df64712bd6e0875089db0cd84ca60db

Opinion and conjecture only

It you want to analyse behaviours from the perspective and assumption of there being guilt of FF then you could argue that the whole......." He has a wonderful relationship with W" is a redemption story to negate conscience.

 

[31550]

No they are accepting submissions to June.

Not from the general public.
Written submissions from SFR and Craddock, and possibly other parties to the inquest may be made.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Not from the general public.
Written submissions from SFR and Craddock, and possibly other parties to the inquest may be made.

SFR have my initial report..it will be bolstered with new evidence Ive accumulated

 

[Lady O]

Don't know what sort of tree it was..but it was 40' tall and foliage filled the sliding door and was there in the photo on 12th but it and about 5 others trees bushes were cleared by walk through on 18th being the time when everyone was at that house searching for W. The photos were substituted!!! The time stamps are wrong

Just refer back to the photo you posted of the FGM on the high verandah. If you look in the background you will see the tree.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Just refer back to the photo you posted of the FGM on the high verandah. If you look in the background you will see the tree.

With respect that is a tree at the end of the balcony AND nowhere near that window. You can see that from my post indicating locations of stump and window. About 30 ' further along

 

[Lady O]

With respect that is a tree at the end of the balcony AND nowhere near that window. You can see that from my post indicating locations of stump and window. About 30 ' further along

The tree is somewhere behind her on the verandah, but perspective on a photo is hard to estimate. But even if you just take a simple line from the glass slider on the verandah to the first window (right side), you can see it is the same one.


In fact, as far as you can see in that photo there is tree foliage.



We know for certain this photo was taken after WT went missing.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The tree is somewhere behind her on the verandah, but perspective on a photo is hard to estimate. But even if you just take a simple line from the glass slider on the verandah to the first window (right side), you can see it is the same one.

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In fact, as far as you can see in that photo there is tree foliage.

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We know for certain this photo was taken after WT went missing.

No it's not. You are using the wrong image. The window/ sliding door was the very next one after main bedroom so looked straight out not at all to that end. wrong I'm afraid

 

[Lady O]

No it's not. You are using the wrong image. The window/ sliding door was the very next one after main bedroom so looked straight out not at all to that end. wrong I'm afraid

In fact, as far as you can see in that photo there is tree foliage

 

[Angry Red Bull]

In fact, as far as you can see in that photo there is tree foliage

Yes there is of tree that end from different angle and different photo. But that isn't the relevant photo..it's about 10 metres away .I'll locate and post