Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Underarrest_]

It'd sad the teacher thought it wss a trivial matter. Looks like she did report it though.

What i don't get is i would have thought the teacher knew FDs story so if she did and Williams sister said she was scared to go home wouldn't you take it seriously? I mean her brother disappeared while he was with FDs fosters carers.

Not sure, but others knew and she went home to foster parents that day.

 

[shorsky]

August and returned 1st September 2014 or 31st August . They stopped off in QLD on way back I understand and were up there on 31st Aug

The TV sunrise shot was 1st September

So they returned from a trip o/s at beginning of Sept, then a few days later on 11th September they embarked on an earlier-than-planned late afternoon trip up to visit the FGM, knowing they would arrive quite late, while she was dealing with a cold and not feeling well. … ..

Like others here I question the decision to do that.

I’ve done many long distance drives with kids from babyhood onwards to visit family, and always left early in the morning, but at same time I acknowledge that we all think differently.

Am I correct in thinking they picked the children up from day care & school, and then continued on to Kendall ?
Or maybe then went to cattery (surely all the times etc have been confirmed )

The stop at McDonalds doesn’t worry me;
FF carrying William on his shoulders strikes me as a bit weird, it’s not something I’m used to in that environment;
To me tho William looks older in that photo than he does in the ‘published’ deck photos;
I do however find it very strange that Fosters didn’t use the opportunity (with a bathroom available) to change the kids into their night attire, clean their teeth etc, so they could settle down for sleep, and easily be carried to bed.

And then it all goes to total confusion for me. Conflicting Time frames, Reports, Statements, TV interviews etc all contribute to that state of confusion . .. add to that some well documented behaviour that IMO was child abuse, irrespective of any stresses the FPs may have been under.

IMO, as a society we must be very careful to consider Actions & Behaviours on their own merit, and to seperate that consideration from any ‘excuses / reasons / personal involvement’ etc that may exist.

(Please note that I’m not dismissing the opinions of those who question why L was left in that environment. IMO that’s another seperate consideration, and is deserved of its own investigation on behalf of that child)

All these years after, all the publicity, opinions and blame throwing, combined with the insistence on the part of the FP that they be afforded anonamenity to protect them - IMO they could have cleared up all the confusion etc by being genuinly open, consistent and transparent from the beginning.

As remote as it seems, and with no public evidence to support, that little boy may have been abducted. He may also have been ‘moved on’; he may have had an unfortunate accident leading to his death, or he may have been the victim of untoward behaviour.

While we all here desperately want Answers, I remind myself of the absolute heart pain that must exist for those who genuinly loved that little boy. Those Answers must be delivered.

Just out of interest, does anyone know when FF lost his job ?

Does anyone know the agenda / nature of the zoom call ( or whatever technology was used) that fateful Friday morning ?

If I recall correctly, the other party was from Queensland.

Wondering was it perhaps a job interview, hence the reason not to postpone, and the need for quietness & composure….

 

[shorsky]

I don't think these are Santa drawings. The red and white striped thing looks like a doll's blanket draped over a doll to me.

I think the way it drapes is more like fabric than paper, and I can see what looks like the top of the doll's head and it's shoes.

It could be the "Little Tara" doll that the FPs talk about in the 60 Minutes interview with Michael Usher, from about the 4:18 mark:

60 Minutes YouTube

That crossed my mind too Merlina.

We heard how precious Litle Tara was to William, but here it seems to be that it’s big Sis who’s caring for little Tara.

I think perhaps there’s a whole lot of investigation still to come.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

That crossed my mind too Merlina.

We heard how precious Litle Tara was to William, but here it seems to be that it’s big Sis who’s caring for little Tara.

I think perhaps there’s a whole lot of investigation still to come.

Yes I see it now. Certainly looks like it to me as well..not Santa at all.. is there a red and white blanket that comes with the merchandise ?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

This is one of the images that leads me to believe that perhaps the base photo substitution is a family function of some sort.

These look like presents to me including a new teapot opened gift for FGM perhaps

 

[Angry Red Bull]

This is image on high balcony from across the verandah photo 3 of the two men. We can get some verification of the image by looking at and verifying obstructions to it..in particular there is a block black thing going diagonally across the midriff of the two people..it's this aluminium window border on the balcony side..this.. then you can just make out a sheer curtain inside which I suspect is making that flower type pattern over the two of them.

If it is a pixelation ghouls, you won't be able to discern blocking particulars as part of image because it will just be a ghoul.. These are people.. Real people. The obstructions are the balcony aluminium border and the sheer curtain pattern. You can tell it's curtain pattern because the pattern cuts across the border..boom boom

 

[Angry Red Bull]

These are the images from the planter stand. The comparison by TCP of the planter stand as it was on 12th photo. The planter stand as it was from a distance days later with M White. The planter stand both ends as it was in the FGM walk through on 18th.

The planter stand as the detective exits the door to Verandah shows best how full it was that end. When compared to how vacant it was on the 12th where you can't see flowers at all but can see a hose on back wall.


These are NOT the sane planter stands 6 days apart. Unequivocally different . Once again this is proof that the tine I'd the 12th photo was an historical image without flower growth compatible with days later.

The photo on verandah was a substituted photo. another proof . Clearly the image exiting to verandah on 18th avdvthe image by M, White match. The image allegedly on 12th doesn't . It is wrong..one end on 12th doesn't even look like flowers at all.

Proof of substituted photos. They simply can't change that much in 6 days

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Side by side

They are NOT the same..not even close

This is further proof of substitution.. no longer a distance adjustment required

Irrefutable.

The one allegedly from 12th looks like it has toys in that end. Not flowers.. the other IS the 18th.. 5-6 mths growth..perhaps the social occasion was Feb

 

[winyhill]

Just out of interest, does anyone know when FF lost his job ?

Does anyone know the agenda / nature of the zoom call ( or whatever technology was used) that fateful Friday morning ?

If I recall correctly, the other party was from Queensland.

Wondering was it perhaps a job interview, hence the reason not to postpone, and the need for quietness & composure….

I wasn't aware he had lost his job. But multiple media reports and books all say the Skype call that morning was sales related. A pitch for an account.

 

[winyhill]

I think you are imagining what you want to find in these images. There is no way you can confirm a teapot in that image, let alone that it is a new one.

This is one of the images that leads me to believe that perhaps the base photo substitution is a family function of some sort.

These look like presents to me including a new teapot opened gift for FGM perhaps

I wonder why you insist that the greenery reflected in the window is from something off the high verandah. They were sitting on the back porch, which is completely seperate to the high verandah. That square porch is only a couple of steps above ground level.
I think it is a reflection in the glass showing something off to the north, just off the porch. It is not a view right through the house through two lots of glass.

 

[31550]

Side by side

They are NOT the same..not even close

This is further proof of substitution.. no longer a distance adjustment required

Irrefutable.

The one allegedly from 12th looks like it has toys in that end. Not flowers.. the other IS the 18th.. 5-6 mths growth..perhaps the social occasion was Feb

Have another look at the FGM walkthrough video. Its EXACTLY the same planter:

 

[Underarrest_]

Does anyone know what the toy/other is?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Have another look at the FGM walkthrough video. Its EXACTLY the same planter:
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You are looking at the end that doesn't show on verandah..Wrong. Learn your left from your right hand.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I think you are imagining what you want to find in these images. There is no way you can confirm a teapot in that image, let alone that it is a new one.

I wonder why you insist that the greenery reflected in the window is from something off the high verandah. They were sitting on the back porch, which is completely seperate to the high verandah. That square porch is only a couple of steps above ground level.
I think it is a reflection in the glass showing something off to the north, just off the porch. It is not a view right through the house through two lots of glass.

You only need to prove something, anything is wrong with the photo to prove its totally substituted. Methodology

 

[31550]

You are looking at the end that doesn't show on verandah..Wrong. Learn your left from your right hand.

It doesn't matter what end of the verandah it is. It is the same planter. It's designed to be movable. Your premise was that the planter from the photos on the 14th was not there in the walkthrough. But it is.

 

[Lady O]

Does anyone know what the toy/other is?

The lime green thing on his left elbow? Looks like another water bottle.

 

[Underarrest_]

The lime green thing on his left elbow? Looks like another water bottle.

Do you know what the one in the planter is? Sorry probably wasn’t best photo.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

It doesn't matter what end of the verandah it is. It is the same planter. It's designed to be movable. Your premise was that the planter from the photos on the 14th was not there in the walkthrough. But it is.

Do you honestly think that after William went missing they are going to lift and move a planter weighing 100kg to swing it around facing the opposite direction to get the same sun???

You can't be serious..

You might not think so but this once again is definitive proof..They are supposedly in total grief and despair but hey let's shift this around for the sheer sake of it.

The verandah version has no flowers discernible same distance..Rather appears as though they are toys..Ridiculous proposition..

 

[Lady O]

Do you know what the one in the planter is? Sorry probably wasn’t best photo.

Flowers? Maybe a piece of clothing draped over the furthest edge?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Does anyone know what the toy/other is?

Yes.the green snake like object Orange head is actually a hose attached to wall beyond. So isn't in the planter at all

 

[stormbird]

When Peter the truck driver appeared at the inquest (Wed, 06 Nov 2024) reports said he remembered seeing two vehicles approaching him as he left the Cobb & Co Road area after picking up the excavator, as he was driving back to Kendall.

But did he see or notice anything earlier - when he first drove along Batar Creek Rd, from Kendall towards Cobb & Co Road, following his contact Michelle to wherever the excavator was? Was he asked about that part of his drive? The tennis club CCTV camera shows him leaving the Op Shop car park area at 10:00 am to go to Cobb & Co Rd (alwaysintrigued, post 5,336). His truck would have followed Michelle's vehicle down Batar Creek Road shortly after (via Orara & Laurel Streets? or Comboyne & Albert?). Presumably in the time it took them to get to Cobb & Co Rd there would have been opportunities to see other vehicles or people along the streets or road. I'm wondering who else might have been in the Benaroon Drive intersection area or why he only remembered the dark BMW and tradie ute.

 

[Kurve]

Do you honestly think that after William went missing they are going to lift and move a planter weighing 100kg to swing it around facing the opposite direction to get the same sun???

You can't be serious..

You might not think so but this once again is definitive proof..They are supposedly in total grief and despair but hey let's shift this around for the sheer sake of it.

The verandah version has no flowers discernible same distance..Rather appears as though they are toys..Ridiculous proposition..

Those images would have been forensically examined multiple times and if there's any tampering or substitutions, SFR knows it and we can expect charges.

I just can't see the same things you do.

We'll have to wait it out.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Image quality is at times poor..will be better once I use a deluxe print service Ive used before..pay a slab of time 3- 4 hrs see what can be produced with professional help..also made enquiries to get access to uncorrupted copies of the 5 photos array so I can eliminate effects of any corruption that may exist

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Those images would have been forensically examined multiple times and if there's any tampering or substitutions, SFR knows it and we can expect charges.

I just can't see the same things you do.

We'll have to wait it out.

Absolutely they know imo . Absolutely I expect charges too

 

[31550]

Do you honestly think that after William went missing they are going to lift and move a planter weighing 100kg to swing it around facing the opposite direction to get the same sun???

You can't be serious..

You might not think so but this once again is definitive proof..They are supposedly in total grief and despair but hey let's shift this around for the sheer sake of it.

The verandah version has no flowers discernible same distance..Rather appears as though they are toys..Ridiculous proposition..

It's a plastic planter from Aldi weighing next to nothing. With soil and flowers maybe a couple of kg. The flowers are the same. Possibly petunias or similar, maybe even artificial flowers which would be even lighter, white and pink.