Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse

[Kurve]

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[Kurve]

That’s slander

No it's not.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

This book by Ally Chumley is very down to earth and cuts through all the misinformation, gossip and sets it all out in plain language. Being a long-time resident of the area she is tuned in to the local mindset and knows quite a few of the people who were close to the action, including Bill Spedding. She attended the inquest and studied everyone involved. The negative effects of of social media and sites ********* on both families are rather scary. Any and every allegation has been stated as fact and swallowed by followers, so that everything is blurred, making the truth harder to discover.

Mistakes were made, people didn't so much lie, as forgot what they said earlier, or remembered some extra detail, or thought they remembered. Memories can be faulty. I once read about an experiment with an incident involving two people, which was conducted on a busy street. People within a certain radius were asked what happened - no two stories were alike. The number of people in the incident, what they were wearing, what they said, etc etc, witnesses swore what they reported was true. A video was later played back to them (after they were made aware that it was an experiment) and were quite embarrassed.

I hope Ally does a follow-up after what happened in 2021.

 

[Pies1990]

That’s slander

How? This is a discussion board, if we can’t respond with our opinions or thoughts what’s the use in being on them?

 

[31550]

I just finished re-reading both books. Eye-witness testimonies are notoriously unreliable. This has been shown in numerous studies. They cannot be taken as fact, especially in cases like this.

We need to understand also, that despite both authors' intention to present the facts of the case (which they both do admirably), both authors are themselves 'witnesses after the event', and are relaying information to their readers second (or third) hand. Statements are presented in both books as though they are fact. But, they may be simply be recounting unreliable witness statements. The authors' own recollection of events may be incorrect, or muddled.

It's also interesting to see which 'facts' are presented in each book, and which ones are omitted (whether inadvertently, deliberately, or selectively).
For instance, the transcription of the 000 call made: This is a reliable 'fact' (we have the audio of the call). One book includes the transcription of the question from the 000 operator about whether any suspicious cars were seen, and the reply, "No. No, no, ... nothing like that." The other book omits this question and answer from the transcript. - Just one example and not suggesting either author has a particular agenda.

If there's one thing the coronial inquest can do, it is to examine how quickly and accurately all evidence was collected at the crime scene and make recommendations as to how this could be improved. It needs to examine the immediate approach taken by police to secure, cordon off the property, record individual witness statements immediately and accurately, take photographs, look for physical evidence etc. It also needs to consider the immediate effect of the secrecy around William's foster status and whether / how that might have hampered the investigation in the crucial first few hours.

 

[Lady O]

I just finished re-reading both books. Eye-witness testimonies are notoriously unreliable. This has been shown in numerous studies. They cannot be taken as fact, especially in cases like this.

Excellent post. I'll just comment on eye witness reports.

During lockdown, I've been doing some painting. Just landscapes mostly from photos that appeal. But I've learned very quickly that one photo doesn't tell the whole story and that there is always an area that is confusing or unclear, which you sometimes don't even recognise as such, unless you see another photo of the same area taken from another spot. So I've taken to googling and looking at various photos of the same subject which give a different perspective before I start.

Witness statements are much the same. You need as many as you can, from each person's perspective, to be able to accurately see the big picture. When we get the same story re-hashed from the media, we are only getting a single "snapshot" of the scene. For example, the "stranger" abduction theory was front and centre for a long time. When the recent "accident cover-up" theory was being explored, I started to see the various clues from a totally different perspective and noticed things that I either hadn't previously seen or didn't think was relevant.

 

[Pies1990]

FFFC’s back in court the next week or so. I wonder if the media will push again for being able to report on it. It’ll be good to get the circumstances of the alleged “assault” charge

 

[BFew]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/foster-mother-of-william-tyrrell-charged-again-by-police/news-story/ed8886e6d69c0dee71b21585cf8a98ff

'30 MINUTES AGO FEBRUARY 22, 2022'
'The foster mother of William Tyrrell has had a fresh charge laid by NSW Police.'

'His foster mother and father will face Hornsby Local Court this morning.
More to come.'

The article this morning does not even hint at what the new charge is.

 

[31550]

The article this morning does not even hint at what the new charge is.

It looks like it is only a mention hearing, and only the former female foster carer is listed. Assume it's for the alleged assault charge reported last year. Don't expect much to happen except for a plea to be entered and an adjournment.

 

[BFew]

It looks like it is only a mention hearing, and only the former female foster carer is listed. Assume it's for the alleged assault charge reported last year.

I'm assuming that you are wrong.

Former foster mum of William Tyrrell is facing a fresh charge

William Tyrrell’s foster mum is facing a fresh charge, separate to the assault of a child charge she and her estranged partner pleaded not guilty to last year.

www.news.com.au

'The new charge was revealed as the boy’s foster mother, 56, and foster father, 54, faced Hornsby Local Court Tuesday for their original assault charge, to which they have pleaded not guilty.'

'Having received the fresh charge on Friday, she said further consultation would be required with the psychologist before it could be properly adressed.'

'The fresh charge is expected to be addressed in conjunction with existing matters.'

 

[BFew]

Definitely an additional charge, which the Daily Telegraph is reporting as another "common assault" charge.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-nsw/william-tyrrells-foster-mother-faces-fresh-common-assault-charge/news-story/e33710d1ba3dbf5eaf71f5bbc74b2008

'February 22, 2022 - 9:08AM'

'The foster mother of little William Tyrrell has been charged with a fresh offence of common assault which does not involve the missing toddler.
Her solicitor Sharon Ramsden has told Hornsby Local Court today that her client, who cannot be named for legal reasons, would be pleading not guilty.'

'Both the foster mother and foster father, who had been caring for the three-year-old when he disappeared in September 2014, dialled in from outside the court to listen to the proceedings via AVL using pseudonyms.'

'“There is an additional charge here,” the magistrate said at the beginning of what was a brief mention.'

'Ms Ramsden said the woman would continue with her plea that she should be dealt with under the Mental Health Act for that offence and said she already had medical assessments carried out.

However they are seeking a psychiatric assessment as well, Ms Ramsden said.

The father however has dropped his intention to have his charge dealt with under the Mental Health Act and will be pleading not guilty, his new solicitor Lauren MacDougall told the court on Tuesday.'

'The case involving the foster mother and the AVO was adjourned to April 22 and the case involving the foster father will be back in court on April 29.'

 

[BFew]

William Tyrrell's foster mother hit with fresh charge

The woman and her husband were represented in Hornsby Local Court on Tuesday regarding the allegations. The assault is alleged to have occurred at a home on Sydney 's upper north shore in 2021.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'PUBLISHED: 09:38 AEDT, 22 February 2022 | UPDATED: 10:43 AEDT, 22 February 2022'

'William Tyrrell's foster mother is hit with a fresh charge involving ANOTHER child'

'The assault is alleged to have occurred at a home on Sydney's upper north shore in 2021 against a child.
Police prosecutor Senior Sergeant Amin Assaad told the court the child would be re-interviewed 'shortly... some time this year'.'

Another child that was not William's bio sister?

 

[Kurve]

Fresh charge to be addressed in conjunction with existing matters. Is it clear there's two victims or two separate assaults on the same child?

Sharon Ramsden, who appeared for the woman on Tuesday, told the court a mental health assessment had been conducted with her client and a report would be ready in the coming weeks.

Having received the fresh charge on Friday, she said further consultation would be required with the psychologist before it could be properly adressed.

The fresh charge is expected to be addressed in conjunction with existing matters.

Former foster mum of William Tyrrell is facing a fresh charge

William Tyrrell’s foster mum is facing a fresh charge, separate to the assault of a child charge she and her estranged partner pleaded not guilty to last year.

www.news.com.au

Edit: Sorry BFew I didn't notice your news.com link before I posted.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

The undercurrents from the snippets we are hearing on this case and this additional charge are intriguing.

One must think the police know it was them, they just dont have the evidence to prosecute.

 

[31550]

One must think the police know it was them, they just dont have the evidence to prosecute.

All the details are suppressed so we can think what we like, but we don't know if this has anything at all to do with William or his sister. It doesn't return to court until April 29. I think the coronial inquest resumes well before then.

 

[Kurve]

All the details are suppressed so we can think what we like, but we don't know if this has anything at all to do with William or his sister. It doesn't return to court until April 29. I think the coronial inquest resumes well before then.

I think I read somewhere that this latest criminal charge was also investigated and raised by Strikeforce Rosann. The strikeforce that was formed to investigate the William Tyrrell disappearance. They could have passed it on to another arm of the police to handle it but they didn't.

While most of us understand that the charges against the foster parents should be treated as separate to the William Tyrrell disappearance, it isn't hard for the average punter to make connections.

Hopefully, as you suggest when the coronial inquest resumes it all gets a little clearer.

 

[Lady O]

William Tyrrell's foster mother hit with fresh charge

The woman and her husband were represented in Hornsby Local Court on Tuesday regarding the allegations. The assault is alleged to have occurred at a home on Sydney 's upper north shore in 2021.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'PUBLISHED: 09:38 AEDT, 22 February 2022 | UPDATED: 10:43 AEDT, 22 February 2022'

'William Tyrrell's foster mother is hit with a fresh charge involving ANOTHER child'

'The assault is alleged to have occurred at a home on Sydney's upper north shore in 2021 against a child.
Police prosecutor Senior Sergeant Amin Assaad told the court the child would be re-interviewed 'shortly... some time this year'.'

Another child that was not William's bio sister?

Another child?? What the heck is going on?!

 

[31550]

I think I read somewhere that this latest criminal charge was also investigated and raised by Strikeforce Rosann.

Possibly, you read this? William Tyrrell's foster mother to plead not guilty to new assault charge, court hears

Last Friday, NSW Police homicide squad detectives laid a fresh charge of common assault against the foster mother.

The new charge came after further investigations by detectives from Strike Force Rosann, which was established to probe William's disappearance.

Whether it was intentional or not, using the word "after" might imply that the "fresh charge" emanated from Rosann. And maybe you inferred this?

However, the literal meaning - the new charge came chronologically after the recent investigations by Rosann - is probably the only thing that can be taken as fact.

It's either unfortunate or mischievous, or misleading reporting of two events which may or may not be related.

If the charges were a direct result of Taskforce Rosann investigation, I think the reporter would (and should) have said so.

 

[Kwality]

All the details are suppressed so we can think what we like, but we don't know if this has anything at all to do with William or his sister. It doesn't return to court until April 29. I think the coronial inquest resumes well before then.

What was the result of the mental health application or is that a separate issue?

 

[Pies1990]

"Estranged partner" I find very intriguing also, have they had a blow up, separated and due to what?

 

[Kurve]

Possibly, you read this? William Tyrrell's foster mother to plead not guilty to new assault charge, court hears

Last Friday, NSW Police homicide squad detectives laid a fresh charge of common assault against the foster mother.

The new charge came after further investigations by detectives from Strike Force Rosann, which was established to probe William's disappearance.

Whether it was intentional or not, using the word "after" might imply that the "fresh charge" emanated from Rosann. And maybe you inferred this?

However, the literal meaning - the new charge came chronologically after the recent investigations by Rosann - is probably the only thing that can be taken as fact.

It's either unfortunate or mischievous, or misleading reporting of two events which may or may not be related.

If the charges were a direct result of Taskforce Rosann investigation, I think the reporter would (and should) have said so.

No I don't think that was it but that the charges were laid after an investigation of which Strike Force Rosann was leading and which is further to the initial charges and that they're to be heard together at the same time, strongly suggests that they're related.

 

[Kurve]

"Estranged partner" I find very intriguing also, have they had a blow up, separated and due to what?

Agree, it is.

I'm not suggesting for a second there's no substance to these charges but If any are tactical against one of them, with the aim of driving a wedge between and put pressure on to talk against the other, it might be working.

 

[31550]

"Estranged partner" I find very intriguing also, have they had a blow up, separated and due to what?

Where was "estranged partner" reported? First time I've seen it.
Wouldn't surprise me, however, as couples who go through these sorts of traumatic incident often split up, regardless of the fault or outcome: Chamberlains for instance.

They had sought individual, seperate legal representation for the child assault charges brought last November. That's not unusual either. Might just be smart. Female is seeking hers to be heard under Mental Health provisions, whereas the male is not.

It's also possible, that the couple themselves had a recent domestic dispute, and the new assault charge against the female relates to that? The alleged victim has not been identified as far as I can see.

 

[Kurve]

It's also possible, that the couple themselves had a recent domestic dispute, and the new assault charge against the female relates to that? The alleged victim has not been identified as far as I can see.

It clearly states that the new charge relates to an assault on a child.

'William Tyrrell's foster mother is hit with a fresh charge involving ANOTHER child'

William Tyrrell's foster mother hit with fresh charge​

The woman and her husband were represented in Hornsby Local Court on Tuesday regarding the allegations. The assault is alleged to have occurred at a home on Sydney 's upper north shore in 2021.
www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I’m starting to smell witch-hunt

 

[Kurve]

I’m starting to smell witch-hunt

It might turn out to be 'him' that they really want and I won't be surprised if it is even if it seems unlikely. When have the cops ever showed us their entire hands before an investigation is fully completed and charges made?

Never.