Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse

[Kurve]

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[Pies1990]

It clearly states that the new charge relates to an assault on a child.

'William Tyrrell's foster mother is hit with a fresh charge involving ANOTHER child'

William Tyrrell's foster mother hit with fresh charge​

The woman and her husband were represented in Hornsby Local Court on Tuesday regarding the allegations. The assault is alleged to have occurred at a home on Sydney 's upper north shore in 2021.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Plus in older news articles, it states that the FP’s also had Williams sister in their care, and that they continued to have her after WT’s disappearance.

I’m not sure of what the common assault details entail but mental health issues shouldn’t be a valid excuse for any assault on a child. Especially 2 charges!


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[Kurve]

Plus in older news articles, it states that the FP’s also had Williams sister in their care, and that they continued to have her after WT’s disappearance.

I’m not sure of what the common assault details entail but mental health issues shouldn’t be a valid excuse for any assault on a child. Especially 2 charges!


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While on the judges remarks, the first common assault charge as it's applied here appears minor but in the big scheme it can be very serious and result in significant jail time in NSW. Even with no priors, not everybody gets bail either on a common assault charge.

Their money and what it's bought throughout this really sh*** me tbh.

 

[Pies1990]

I’m starting to smell witch-hunt

Definitely not a witch hunt, just so many obvious red flags that most sense things are amiss. I’m sure all people want to see it solved but most people also don’t raise issues without it deeming it serious enough

 

[31550]

I’m not sure of what the common assault details entail but mental health issues shouldn’t be a valid excuse for any assault on a child. Especially 2 charges!

Besides the hyperbolic headline (Daily Mail?), I haven't seen any hard evidence that this "fresh charge" actually involves a child.

Agree mental health is a 'poor excuse', but as has been pointed out, this is probably more a legal tactic suggested by lawyers to take a criminal conviction out of the equation. Xanthe Mallet made comments to this effect. No doubt both foster parents would be facing 'mental health challenges' from going through something like this - any person would, whether they are at fault in any way or not. But without knowing the exact nature of the assault charges OR exactly what 'mental health' issues are involved, we just don't know whether it's relevant.

 

[kat1234]

It clearly states that the new charge relates to an assault on a child.

'William Tyrrell's foster mother is hit with a fresh charge involving ANOTHER child'

William Tyrrell's foster mother hit with fresh charge​

The woman and her husband were represented in Hornsby Local Court on Tuesday regarding the allegations. The assault is alleged to have occurred at a home on Sydney 's upper north shore in 2021.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Besides the hyperbolic headline (Daily Mail?), I haven't seen any hard evidence that this "fresh charge" actually involves a child.

Agree mental health is a 'poor excuse', but as has been pointed out, this is probably more a legal tactic suggested by lawyers to take a criminal conviction out of the equation. Xanthe Mallet made comments to this effect. No doubt both foster parents would be facing 'mental health challenges' from going through something like this - any person would, whether they are at fault in any way or not. But without knowing the exact nature of the assault charges OR exactly what 'mental health' issues are involved, we just don't know whether it's relevant.

You won’t hear “evidence” because there are suppression orders in place.

At this point all we have to rely on is the limited info that the media is allowed to release to the public.

We know this much:

There was a second charged laid on the Former Foster Mother for assault on a child.

It’s pretty clear.

We also know FFFC intends to pursue a mental health defence.

Her psychologist will review the second charge.

We know FMFC only has been charged with one count of common assault against a minor at this point. We know he has abandoned the mental health defence at this stage and has pleaded “not guilty.”

It’s been reported the couple is now “estranged.” In the media.

I’ve also heard that FMFC has recently appointed a new lawyer and fired his other one. (not reported in the media).

The identity of the minor is protected.

Hoping and praying anyone who has harmed William is brought to justice. Anyone. And that anyone proven to have covered it up to also be brought to justice.

Edit: I’ve tried to provide these details without hyperbole.

 

[kat1234]

While on the judges remarks, the first common assault charge as it's applied here appears minor but in the big scheme it can be very serious and result in significant jail time in NSW. Even with no priors, not everybody gets bail either on a common assault charge.

Their money and what it's bought throughout this really sh*** me tbh.

It’s not just money it’s influence that’s bought them A LOT and there was a very clear strategy with regards to influencing decision makers such as politicians and God knows who else.

Money. Power. Influence.

But the wheels of justice are in motion. It just seems to be taking such a long time.

 

[jason_recliner]

While on the judges remarks, the first common assault charge as it's applied here appears minor but in the big scheme it can be very serious and result in significant jail time in NSW. Even with no priors, not everybody gets bail either on a common assault charge.

Their money and what it's bought throughout this really sh*** me tbh.

How much money do they have? Are they extremely wealthy?

 

[Pies1990]

How much money do they have? Are they extremely wealthy?

Not sure of a figure but they both have high paying jobs in software/real estate/web work, and they did a Reno on their house I think in the year following WT disappearing, new cars etc I’d say they are pretty wealthy. Perhaps inheritances onto that list too

A lot of Wealthy people tend to have wealthy friends too, and wealthy friends look after one another.

 

[Kurve]

How much money do they have? Are they extremely wealthy?

I've seen figures from several million to twenty odd million.

 

[kat1234]

Definitely an additional charge, which the Daily Telegraph is reporting as another "common assault" charge.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-nsw/william-tyrrells-foster-mother-faces-fresh-common-assault-charge/news-story/e33710d1ba3dbf5eaf71f5bbc74b2008

'February 22, 2022 - 9:08AM'

'The foster mother of little William Tyrrell has been charged with a fresh offence of common assault which does not involve the missing toddler.
Her solicitor Sharon Ramsden has told Hornsby Local Court today that her client, who cannot be named for legal reasons, would be pleading not guilty.'

'Both the foster mother and foster father, who had been caring for the three-year-old when he disappeared in September 2014, dialled in from outside the court to listen to the proceedings via AVL using pseudonyms.'

'“There is an additional charge here,” the magistrate said at the beginning of what was a brief mention.'

'Ms Ramsden said the woman would continue with her plea that she should be dealt with under the Mental Health Act for that offence and said she already had medical assessments carried out.

However they are seeking a psychiatric assessment as well, Ms Ramsden said.

The father however has dropped his intention to have his charge dealt with under the Mental Health Act and will be pleading not guilty, his new solicitor Lauren MacDougall told the court on Tuesday.'

'The case involving the foster mother and the AVO was adjourned to April 22 and the case involving the foster father will be back in court on April 29.'

“they are seeking a psychiatric assessment as well, Ms Ramsden said”

Hmm that’s very interesting.

 

[Pies1990]

“they are seeking a psychiatric assessment as well, Ms Ramsden said”

Hmm that’s very interesting.

Hey your back!

 

[kat1234]

Hey your back!

Oh yeah - it’s like I never left, Pies!

 

[Lady O]

How much money do they have? Are they extremely wealthy?

I don't think owning an expensive house indicates someone is rich. They may also have a big mortgage. Plenty of examples on these forums of people who live high but are near bankruptcy.

I expect they both have high paying jobs, but from the FFFC's family situation, I don't think she "came from money". Him, we don't really know anything about his family or his work except if he is successful, then I would expect he has a good to excellent income.

It is possible that they have influence due their or their family's connections. Nothing to do with being rich.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I've seen figures from several million to twenty odd million.

Oh well definitely guilty then.
What possible relevance does their bank balance have to William’s disappearance?

 

[kat1234]

I don't think owning an expensive house indicates someone is rich. They may also have a big mortgage. Plenty of examples on these forums of people who live high but are near bankruptcy.

I expect they both have high paying jobs, but from the FFFC's family situation, I don't think she "came from money". Him, we don't really know anything about his family or his work except if he is successful, then I would expect he has a good to excellent income.

It is possible that they have influence due their or their family's connections. Nothing to do with being rich.

I agree in a way. I don’t think FFFC came from money.

We have a term for new money up here in Queensland - CUBS or “cashed up bogans”.

You can kind of hear it in FFFC voice way back when WT went missing, but her manner of speaking has changed a lot since then.

 

[kat1234]

Oh well definitely guilty then.
What possible relevance does their bank balance have to William’s disappearance?

None

 

[DropBearess]

Oh well definitely guilty then.
What possible relevance does their bank balance have to William’s disappearance?

I'm sorry, but the Ramseys bank balance certainly had relevance when their daughter JonBenet died. Hopefully this doesn't happen for William.

 

[jason_recliner]

Oh well definitely guilty then.
What possible relevance does their bank balance have to William’s disappearance?

None. Kurve implied that they had influenced the judicial process due to their wealth. I'm not convinced $20,000,000 is the kind of money that influences courts. But it's undeniable that the wealthy get better investigations by the police and better lawyers in the courts.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

None. Kurve implied that they had influenced the judicial process due to their wealth. I'm not convinced $20,000,000 is the kind of money that influences courts. But it's undeniable that the wealthy get better investigations by the police and better lawyers in the courts.

I think that is largely bs and impugns our legal system. But it’s a popular cynical view.

 

[Kurve]

None. Kurve implied that they had influenced the judicial process due to their wealth. I'm not convinced $20,000,000 is the kind of money that influences courts. But it's undeniable that the wealthy get better investigations by the police and better lawyers in the courts.

I didnt intend to imply judicial process has been directly influenced due to their money, I don't believe judges can be bought here but I'd agree with the balance of your post.

 

[Kurve]

Oh well definitely guilty then.
What possible relevance does their bank balance have to William’s disappearance?

Nobody said their money makes them guilty. This is a troll post I'm responding to here. if you haven't noticed their money and influence impacting on the investigation throughout and their lawyers presence at the Coroner's Inquest throwing their weight around like I've never heard of before, you haven't been paying attention.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I say what I believe to be the case. Speculation about how much money might be in someone’s bank account doesn’t help the discussion about William’s disappearance, which is what this thread is about. What happened to him? Does Ally Chumley’s book contain any clues? I’ve yet to be convinced that the FPs had any reason to murder/dispose of him. It doesn’t make sense that they would do that.

 

[Kurve]

I think that is largely bs and impugns our legal system. But it’s a popular cynical view.

This is very naive

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[kat1234]

I say what I believe to be the case. Speculation about how much money might be in someone’s bank account doesn’t help the discussion about William’s disappearance, which is what this thread is about. What happened to him? Does Ally Chumley’s book contain any clues? I’ve yet to be convinced that the FPs had any reason to murder/dispose of him. It doesn’t make sense that they would do that.

Well unless he was trafficked. Forensic accounting might be a feature of the investigation if that were thought to be the case.

 

[Lady O]

Nobody said their money makes them guilty. This is a troll post I'm responding to here. if you haven't noticed their money and influence impacting on the investigation throughout and their lawyers presence at the Coroner's Inquest throwing their weight around like I've never heard of before, you haven't been paying attention.

Yes, it is certainly interesting. Obviously they are fairly well off, but I think that is due to their employment and their earning capacity and I'm sure they have worked hard to achieve their success. As part of this success you also need to have a nice car, a nice house in a nice suburb and a nice little family. If anything bad were to happen it would not be of your doing. You would be the victim of a bad person's behaviour.

Along with success there this is the networking you need to do and the people with whom you become acquainted as you climb the ladder of success. I feel that FFFC particularly feared the potential damage to her reputation and to her employment/earning capacity, were they to be implicated in any way in the disappearance or death of a child who was in their care, even if it were only the result of negligence/inattention, rather than ill intent.

The recent charges of assault by the FFCs against another child/children IMO outweighs any influence they may have been able to exert in the investigations of WT's disappearance. However, what it does do is it guarantees their continued anonymity and therefore preserves their reputations.