Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse

[Kurve]

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[Poppy Penny]

Weird, I couldn’t find any abn matching Brody Corporation in Queensland,

There’s also mention of Bankhall (Q29) I am guessing that would be a business name. Had a quick look on Whitepages and ABN but with no luck. Perhaps someone with better sleuthing skills may have better luck

 

[31550]

The police would have checked the B party mobile number in the FF's txt message and we should know if the FM had two mobile numbers. Assuming the records were not removed, the FM would not be able to check the time of FF's txt if her mobile is off and she would receive the txt with the received time-stamp from her own mobile after tuning it back on, where it would appear with the later time. So, why would she bother checking ???. This seems to be an interesting inconsistency.

There is a bigger inconsistency. Wendy Hudson says in her statement and handwritten notes that FM received a phone call when Hudson was talking to FM in the back yard. Wendy arrived at 12:45 and interviewed FM, who looked at her phone to check what time FF had texted 'home in 5'. Wendy then spoke to William's sister while FM was on the phone. She then notes that around 2pm FM went off again to look for William. So FM received a phone call between 12:45 and 2:00, also the supposed SMS from FF at 10:30, yet neither of these calls appear in the phone records attached to FM's formal statement made March 2015. Why have the police attached incomplete or inaccurate phone records to the witness statement? Where is the record of the call received by FM around 1pm? What phone was it received on? What other calls and texts are missing from police records?

 

[Lady O]

But FF says he went to lake Cathie? in that police statement.

I think he meant Queens Lake.

 

[NRL Fan]

There is a bigger inconsistency. Wendy Hudson says in her statement and handwritten notes that FM received a phone call when Hudson was talking to FM in the back yard. Wendy arrived at 12:45 and interviewed FM, who looked at her phone to check what time FF had texted 'home in 5'. Wendy then spoke to William's sister while FM was on the phone. She then notes that around 2pm FM went off again to look for William. So FM received a phone call between 12:45 and 2:00, also the supposed SMS from FF at 10:30, yet neither of these calls appear in the phone records attached to FM's formal statement made March 2015. Why have the police attached incomplete or inaccurate phone records to the witness statement? Where is the record of the call received by FM around 1pm? What phone was it received on? What other calls and texts are missing from police records?

If you look at the mobile phone records, the first SMS received by FM is 20:09 on 12th Sep and her first use of the phone is calling her voicemail after 2:00pm. This does look strange and it certainly doesn't make sense. It does seem to suggest that the time period that relates to her possible involvement in WT's disappearance has been removed. If the police witness statement is correct then it would mean that these records were deliberately removed, indicating possible police involvement in a cover up.

 

[31550]

If you look at the mobile phone records, the first SMS received by FM is 20:09 on 12th Sep and her first use of the phone is calling her voicemail after 2:00pm. This does look strange and it certainly doesn't make sense. It does seem to suggest that the time period that relates to her possible involvement in WT's disappearance has been removed. If the police witness statement is correct then it would mean that these records were deliberately removed, indicating possible police involvement in a cover up.

Maybe because the police only searched for 'outgoing calls' , i.e. calls /texts initiated on the FM phone.
So the text from FF and the incoming call received while Hudson was interviewing FM would not show up.

This does not explain how the FM rang Ben Atwood at 12:53, and (According to Overington's book at least,) Atwood 'recognised the number'.

I would like to see a list of 'incoming calls as well' (Wouldn't we all?)

 

[NRL Fan]

There’s also mention of Bankhall (Q29) I am guessing that would be a business name. Had a quick look on Whitepages and ABN but with no luck. Perhaps someone with better sleuthing skills may have better luck

There is a company in the UK with that name of Bankhall - specialist support for your compliance, regulatory and business challenges. Also, the other name of Brody would appear to be in Canada -https://opencorporates.com/companies/ca_nl/86038, which is in North Labrador. The FM phone records on 9/9 show a call to Labrador North which seems to align.

 

[NRL Fan]

Maybe because the police only searched for 'outgoing calls' , i.e. calls /texts initiated on the FM phone.
So the text from FF and the incoming call received while Hudson was interviewing FM would not show up.

This does not explain how the FM rang Ben Atwood at 12:53, and (According to Overington's book at least,) Atwood 'recognised the number'.

I would like to see a list of 'incoming calls as well' (Wouldn't we all?)

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Yes, you're right. They only included outgoing calls, meaning we miss out on half the picture.

 

[31550]

There is a company in the UK with that name of Bankhall - specialist support for your compliance, regulatory and business challenges. Also, the other name of Brody would appear to be in Canada -https://opencorporates.com/companies/ca_nl/86038, which is in North Labrador. The FM phone records on 9/9 show a call to Labrador North which seems to align.

Nah. Labrador Canada and Labrador Australia are two different places. There is no reason for FM to be ringing a company FF is dealing with.
You might be overthinking this. FF gave up this information in a fair amount of detail to the police quite soon after William's disappearance - names and phone numbers of people with whom he had the teleconference - the records would also be available from his and his ISP to verify that the teleconference did take place as he said. The company / business names might not be on current registers (e.g. ABN Lookup) because they may now be defunct, but they probably existed back in 2014. But I'm sure the police interviewed some or all of the contacts to verify the teleconference took place. It's pretty much detective work 101.

 

[donwundermick]

If you look at the mobile phone records, the first SMS received by FM is 20:09 on 12th Sep and her first use of the phone is calling her voicemail after 2:00pm. This does look strange and it certainly doesn't make sense. It does seem to suggest that the time period that relates to her possible involvement in WT's disappearance has been removed. If the police witness statement is correct then it would mean that these records were deliberately removed, indicating possible police involvement in a cover up.

I believe that you are on to something here NRL, I hope that this is investigated thoroughly

 

[donwundermick]

Nah. Labrador Canada and Labrador Australia are two different places. There is no reason for FM to be ringing a company FF is dealing with.
You might be overthinking this. FF gave up this information in a fair amount of detail to the police quite soon after William's disappearance - names and phone numbers of people with whom he had the teleconference - the records would also be available from his and his ISP to verify that the teleconference did take place as he said. The company / business names might not be on current registers (e.g. ABN Lookup) because they may now be defunct, but they probably existed back in 2014. But I'm sure the police interviewed some or all of the contacts to verify the teleconference took place. It's pretty much detective work 101.

No detective work 101 here 31550, No sealing off the crime scene. No treating those who last saw William as suspects. IMO.

 

[Poppy Penny]

You will find out late 2022. It’s not at all as complicated or weird as you all are thinking. I cannot speak of the Tyrrell matter until October 2022 because of my occupation so I am leaving the thread.. it’s been fun guys.

Hey Rex, It’s now October 2022. Hope you can update us now. Cheers.

 

[stormbird]

There is a bigger inconsistency. Wendy Hudson says in her statement and handwritten notes that FM received a phone call when Hudson was talking to FM in the back yard. Wendy arrived at 12:45 and interviewed FM, who looked at her phone to check what time FF had texted 'home in 5'. Wendy then spoke to William's sister while FM was on the phone. She then notes that around 2pm FM went off again to look for William. So FM received a phone call between 12:45 and 2:00, also the supposed SMS from FF at 10:30, yet neither of these calls appear in the phone records attached to FM's formal statement made March 2015. Why have the police attached incomplete or inaccurate phone records to the witness statement? Where is the record of the call received by FM around 1pm? What phone was it received on? What other calls and texts are missing from police records?

BBM.
31550, does the statement or note say "around 2pm FM went off again to look for William" or was that your interpretation of what it meant? I think it's interesting, because up until now the only information I've seen reported said that FM was called back to the house on the first day to help when police were setting up the command post and then she stayed at the house after that (see post #7,298).

Maybe it's possible the command post was set up later in the afternoon - after FM had been out searching again at 2pm?

 

[stormbird]

There is a bigger inconsistency. Wendy Hudson says in her statement and handwritten notes that FM received a phone call when Hudson was talking to FM in the back yard. Wendy arrived at 12:45 and interviewed FM, who looked at her phone to check what time FF had texted 'home in 5'. Wendy then spoke to William's sister while FM was on the phone. She then notes that around 2pm FM went off again to look for William. So FM received a phone call between 12:45 and 2:00, also the supposed SMS from FF at 10:30, yet neither of these calls appear in the phone records attached to FM's formal statement made March 2015. Why have the police attached incomplete or inaccurate phone records to the witness statement? Where is the record of the call received by FM around 1pm? What phone was it received on? What other calls and texts are missing from police records?

BBM
The phone call to FM might have been from the director of William's out-of-home care program:

"[Michelle W] was sitting at her desk at the Young Hope headquarters in Sydney when [William's caseworker Ben A] called at 12.58 p.m. to tell her what had happened. [Michelle] was a Captain in the Salvation Army, and director of the out-of-home care program. 'When I hung up from Ben, I immediately called William's foster mum in Kendall,' said [Michelle]..."
- Missing William Tyrrell, 2021 rev. ed., pp.46-47

FM had rung William's caseworker Ben a few minutes earlier, at 12:53 pm - post #7,465

A timeline:

• 12:45 - Senior Constable Wendy H arrives at FGM's (31550's post re her police statement and notes: post #7,481)
• 12:53 - FM calls William's caseworker Ben (my post #7,465 quoting Missing William Tyrrell, 2021, p.45) and presumably talks to him for a few minutes
• 12:58 - Ben calls director of the Young Hope out-of-home care program, Michelle (Missing William Tyrrell, p.46) and presumably talks to her for a few minutes
• unknown time (immediately after talking to Ben) - Michelle calls FM (Missing William Tyrrell, p.47)
• unknown time - Snr Cst Wendy H stops talking to FM in the backyard when FM receives a phone call (31550's post #7,481)

Did FM call William's caseworker Ben while she was talking to the police officer? If so, Snr Cst Wendy H probably saw which phone FM used.

Obviously it's also possible the police officer was talking to FM before and/or after these calls and there was a different call to FM.

 

[31550]

BBM.
31550, does the statement or note say "around 2pm FM went off again to look for William" or was that your interpretation of what it meant? I think it's interesting, because up until now the only information I've seen reported said that FM was called back to the house on the first day to help when police were setting up the command post and then she stayed at the house after that (see post #7,298).

Maybe it's possible the command post was set up later in the afternoon - after FM had been out searching again at 2pm?

No that's my mistake. The notes say, "They started looking again" THEN there is an "about 2pm" note in the margin pointing to the next piece of info where Hudson asked FGM if "anyone unusual" that lived in the area.

Hudson's interaction with FM and William's sister was from 12:45 onwards, so includes the call with Ben Atwood. But note that this call does not appear on the list of outgoing calls - is it possible that Ben Atwood actually called FM, not the other way around?

 

[stormbird]

No that's my mistake. The notes say, "They started looking again" THEN there is an "about 2pm" note in the margin pointing to the next piece of info where Hudson asked FGM if "anyone unusual" that lived in the area.

Hudson's interaction with FM and William's sister was from 12:45 onwards, so includes the call with Ben Atwood. But note that this call does not appear on the list of outgoing calls - is it possible that Ben Atwood actually called FM, not the other way around?


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Thanks.
I'd say it's not impossible that Ben A called FM instead of the other way around, if he had some reason to call her. And it's not impossible that Missing William Tyrrell was wrong in saying "He knew the number - it was William Tyrrell's foster mum - so of course he picked up". But I think it's more likely that FM called Ben using her mum's home phone. She'd already used it twice previously that day (to call the washing machine repairman and triple-0). MOO

Edited to add: Now that I've started thinking about it, I'm not sure anyone has reported which phone FM used to call the washing machine repairman... I'm assuming it was the home phone, but now I'm not sure why.

 

[31550]

Thanks.
I'd say it's not impossible that Ben A called FM instead of the other way around, if he had some reason to call her. And it's not impossible that Missing William Tyrrell was wrong in saying "He knew the number - it was William Tyrrell's foster mum - so of course he picked up". But I think it's more likely that FM called Ben using her mum's home phone. She'd already used it twice previously that day (to call the washing machine repairman and triple-0). MOO

Perhaps FM rang Atwood from FGM's phone and left a message, and he called her back when Hudson was there.
Overington is very specific about the times of the calls, and the time of the call with Atwood coincides with when Hudson notes FM is on the phone.
She goes into some detail about how Atwood was on a train when he received the call and recognised the number.

Hudson is also specific that FM looked at her phone to see when FF had texted 'home in 5'. Hudson states in her statement "the phone rang" and FM answered.

Another thing that just doesn't add up.

 

[fazacs1]

Nah. Labrador Canada and Labrador Australia are two different places. There is no reason for FM to be ringing a company FF is dealing with.
You might be overthinking this. FF gave up this information in a fair amount of detail to the police quite soon after William's disappearance - names and phone numbers of people with whom he had the teleconference - the records would also be available from his and his ISP to verify that the teleconference did take place as he said. The company / business names might not be on current registers (e.g. ABN Lookup) because they may now be defunct, but they probably existed back in 2014. But I'm sure the police interviewed some or all of the contacts to verify the teleconference took place. It's pretty much detective work 101.

For all we know, that teleconference could of been to someone known to them as an alibi, with all their inconsistencies I guess anything is possible.

 

[fazacs1]

Perhaps FM rang Atwood from FGM's phone and left a message, and he called her back when Hudson was there.
Overington is very specific about the times of the calls, and the time of the call with Atwood coincides with when Hudson notes FM is on the phone.
She goes into some detail about how Atwood was on a train when he received the call and recognised the number.

Hudson is also specific that FM looked at her phone to see when FF had texted 'home in 5'. Hudson states in her statement "the phone rang" and FM answered.

Another thing that just doesn't add up.

Well maybe FM had a second phone, how else can it be explained that she received messages and made calls if her phone was off until after 8pm, it just doesn’t make sense

 

[fazacs1]

There’s also mention of Bankhall (Q29) I am guessing that would be a business name. Had a quick look on Whitepages and ABN but with no luck. Perhaps someone with better sleuthing skills may have better luck

Strange how all these businesses FF contacted all seem to be out of business now, I didn’t have much luck with Joy either from the Brody Corporation, there are a few abns for Brody in Qld, but they were mainly sole traders with business location changes, one with even a memorable date

 

[fazacs1]

I think he meant Queens Lake.

Does Queens Lake have a khodary chemist, I think Lake Cathie, Laurieton and Lakewood do

 

[stormbird]

Perhaps FM rang Atwood from FGM's phone and left a message, and he called her back when Hudson was there.
Overington is very specific about the times of the calls, and the time of the call with Atwood coincides with when Hudson notes FM is on the phone.
She goes into some detail about how Atwood was on a train when he received the call and recognised the number.

Hudson is also specific that FM looked at her phone to see when FF had texted 'home in 5'. Hudson states in her statement "the phone rang" and FM answered.

Another thing that just doesn't add up.

If Snr Cst Hudson's statement says literally "the phone rang", it could have been any phone in the vicinity, including FGM's home phone.

I found a source saying FM had used the home phone to call the washing machine repairman:
"William's foster mum used her mum's cordless home phone to dial the number [for the washing machine repairman]. According to the phone company's records, that call was made at 9.03 a.m., and lasted just thirty-eight seconds."
- Missing William Tyrrell, 2021 rev. ed., p.16

 

[31550]

If Snr Cst Hudson's statement says literally "the phone rang", it could have been any phone in the vicinity, including FGM's home phone.

I found a source saying FM had used the home phone to call the washing machine repairman:
"William's foster mum used her mum's cordless home phone to dial the number [for the washing machine repairman]. According to the phone company's records, that call was made at 9.03 a.m., and lasted just thirty-eight seconds."
- Missing William Tyrrell, 2021 rev. ed., p.16

Overington is very specific about the time of the phone calls, which indicates that she has probably seen first-hand the telephone records. So I am inclined to believe her about whether the calls were incoming or outgoing, and which phone they were on. This does not match the phone records attached to the FM statement which shows no outgoing calls from FM's phone until 2:22pm on the day William disappeared.
So, either these calls have been deleted from records, or were made on another phone, or were never made.

 

[Lady O]

Does Queens Lake have a khodary chemist, I think Lake Cathie, Laurieton and Lakewood do

I think that is at Lakewood, adjacent to the lake.

 

[31550]

Strange how all these businesses FF contacted all seem to be out of business now, I didn’t have much luck with Joy either from the Brody Corporation, there are a few abns for Brody in Qld, but they were mainly sole traders with business location changes, one with even a memorable date

This teleconference is critical to FFs alibi - you would think that in the 8 years and between 3 lead investigators and the coroner it would have been verified by now?

 

[Poppy Penny]

This teleconference is critical to FFs alibi - you would think that in the 8 years and between 3 lead investigators and the coroner it would have been verified by now?

Nothing would surprise me actually.