Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse

[Kurve]

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[Lady O]

From the Daily Mail:

"The audio begins with a female voice, possibly of the girl, saying, 'I am calling the police' and then a child screaming 'no' and crying, panting and sobbing.

Then there is the sound of a possible slap and the foster mother ordering the child, 'Stand up. Stand up'.

The child said 'no, please no, nooooooo' and then was told to 'Sit down. Sit.'

Snr Sgt Asaad told the court that in a conversation after the incident the foster mother told her husband 'she's been hit really hard with that wooden spoon. She's going to have massive welt on her leg.'

The court was played a subsequent conversation in which the foster father says, 'Oh that's not good. We've got a problem. We've got a big problem.'"

From the Australian:

Audio played to the court allegedly captures the sound of a girl screaming and sobbing while a woman says “stand up, stand up”.

The girl can be heard threatening to call the police as the woman demands to know “where did you put the wooden spoon?”

The girl screams “Please no” before a sound, alleged to be smacking with the wooden spoon, is heard on the recording.

The foster mother cried in court as the audio was played.

A phone tap allegedly records the woman telling her husband she hit the child “really hard with that wooden spoon” just after he left the house, and that it would leave a massive welt on her leg.

“She’s still going on about it,” the woman allegedly tells her husband.

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Nothing in the above reporting indicates to me that there is a child hitting another child. IMO the wooden spoon had been used to discipline LT previously, so LT had perhaps hidden the wooden spoon in anticipation of being hurt with it.

My siblings and I used to do the same.

I really feel many people are overlooking how callous you have to be to hurt a child in these ways - striking a child, kicking a child, not responding with compassion when a child is pleading with you and sobbing.

I was also kicked as a child and it's not something you just forget about. It's abuse. And yes I do think it's even worse when that abuse is coming from foster parents - they had the resources to seek respite or assistance in their role as carers.

I really hope the FM is held responsible for her actions.

Side note: if you are kicking a 10-year-old who is fully capable of reporting you to authorities, what might you think you can get away with doing to a 3-year-old? IMO.

Thank you for posting that, it confirms what I suspected. If you read the FM/FF phone conversation above 'she's been hit really hard with that wooden spoon. She's going to have massive welt on her leg.' it does not say "I hit her really hard with that wooden spoon". That is how I would expect it to read if she had done it. It makes more sense that she reported to FF that LT hit the other child with the wooden spoon. If it was LT hitting the other child, then FF's response that "Oh that's not good. We've got a problem. We've got a big problem.'" makes sense.

When FM asks her where did she put the wooden spoon, then next thing there is a noise like a slap and they assume she has been hit with the wooden spoon. The comment quoted by stormbird above was that "she didn't even cry", but here we hear her screaming and crying. That doesn't make sense!

Yes, I think FM comes from a home like mine. If one of the siblings hit another and left "a massive welt on her leg" then they would cop it from Mum. You may not agree that it is her role as a foster parent to discipline the child by hitting her, but in times of stress, you frequently do what you have learned from your own childhood.

FM did not deny hitting and kicking the child, so why would she deny hitting her with a wooden spoon if she did do so?

 

[stormbird]

Could the conversation between FM and FF have actually meant "Child A hit child B , and child B didn't cry!" ? It's not clear.

"...it's also possible that in the phone call FM was telling FF about one child hitting another child: "She [FM] was heard saying 'She [Child A] hit the child [Child B] really hard with that wooden spoon and the child [Child B] didn't even cry.'"

 

[DonnaHayward]

Thank you for posting that, it confirms what I suspected. If you read the FM/FF phone conversation above 'she's been hit really hard with that wooden spoon. She's going to have massive welt on her leg.' it does not say "I hit her really hard with that wooden spoon". That is how I would expect it to read if she had done it. It makes more sense that she reported to FF that LT hit the other child with the wooden spoon. If it was LT hitting the other child, then FF's response that "Oh that's not good. We've got a problem. We've got a big problem.'" makes sense.

When FM asks her where did she put the wooden spoon, then next thing there is a noise like a slap and they assume she has been hit with the wooden spoon. The comment quoted by stormbird above was that "she didn't even cry", but here we hear her screaming and crying. That doesn't make sense!

Yes, I think FM comes from a home like mine. If one of the siblings hit another and left "a massive welt on her leg" then they would cop it from Mum. You may not agree that it is her role as a foster parent to discipline the child by hitting her, but in times of stress, you frequently do what you have learned from your own childhood.

FM did not deny hitting and kicking the child, so why would she deny hitting her with a wooden spoon if she did do so?

She's distancing herself from taking responsibility for hitting a child. 'She's been hit' instead of 'i've hit her' because she knows she's in the wrong and shouldn't have done what she did.

And it's not just me that thinks it's not a foster parent's role to physically abuse a child - it's the law. She has straight up admitted to kicking and hitting a child in her care. And I hope she's held accountable for her actions.

Also, your reasoning that you repeat what you've learned holds nothing with me - I was physically abused as a kid and I knew it was wrong at the time and I know it's wrong now. I'll never deliberately hurt any child. And I think it's rubbish to make that kind of excuse for child abusers.

If what you say is true and LT hit another child - why would that not be mentioned by her defence? Surely that would be the first thing they would mention? Why did the judge say she couldn't be sure the FM wasn't simply mistaken? The judge didn't say it never happened, just that it couldn't be proven that the FM lied about it.

Who knows why she didn't admit to the wooden spoon - perhaps she was ashamed to admit how incredibly archaic her parenting skills were.

 

[Lady O]

She's distancing herself from taking responsibility for hitting a child. 'She's been hit' instead of 'i've hit her' because she knows she's in the wrong and shouldn't have done what she did.

And it's not just me that thinks it's not a foster parent's role to physically abuse a child - it's the law. She has straight up admitted to kicking and hitting a child in her care. And I hope she's held accountable for her actions.

Also, your reasoning that you repeat what you've learned holds nothing with me - I was physically abused as a kid and I knew it was wrong at the time and I know it's wrong now. I'll never deliberately hurt any child. And I think it's rubbish to make that kind of excuse for child abusers.

If what you say is true and LT hit another child - why would that not be mentioned by her defence? Surely that would be the first thing they would mention? Why did the judge say she couldn't be sure the FM wasn't simply mistaken? The judge didn't say it never happened, just that it couldn't be proven that the FM lied about it.

Who knows why she didn't admit to the wooden spoon - perhaps she was ashamed to admit how incredibly archaic her parenting skills were.

I'm not approving of it, I'm saying these things are not unusual. What do you think bio-mum will do if LT hits and bruises one of her young siblings?

I'm not sure about the whole thing and I think that was was the reason she was not found guilty. There was doubt. The judge said that she admitted the hitting/kicking, so I expect she was doubtful that the denying of the hitting with a spoon was a lie. Thus she did not find her guilty of lying about that incident.

 

[stormbird]

"William Tyrrell’s foster parents will face a one-day hearing to fight charges of fraud after they allegedly had someone make fake bids on their Sydney property at auction. <...>
The couple did not appear at Parramatta Local Court on Friday [11 Nov 2022], where a solicitor for the pair confirmed their not guilty plea and a hearing date was set.
Magistrate Peter Feather set the hearing down for one day on July 21, 2023."

- News.com.au, 11 Nov 2022

 

[BFew]

https://www.2gb.com/why-chris-smith-doesnt-buy-investigation-of-william-tyrrells-foster-parents/ '29/11/2021'
'...He took aim at the renewed police search, which came just days after missing WA child Cleo Smith was found, and its failure thus far to uncover William’s remains or other evidence.
“I find the whole timing a bit suss.”'

An ex-detective One Nation MP has today been reported to have re-raised the Chloe Cleo Smith case potential impact on the William Tyrrell investigation.
Just like Chloe Christ Christopher Robin Hood Smith did back in Nov 2021.

The NSW Labor Shadow Attorney General (NSW Labor MP Paul Lynch), who has a very good chance of actually becoming the NSW Attorney General after the upcoming State Election in 4 months time, has also weighed in on the William investigation, for what I think might be the first time, or at least the first time reported by the media.

With a relatively new Police Commissioner (announced 24 Nov 2021 a few weeks after the fosters were hauled before the NSW Crime Commission) any (if any change in NSW Government after the March 2023 State Election, should hopefully assist the William Tyrrell investigation, should it require a refresh, or new set of eyes.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-nsw/commissioner-wants-politics-taken-out-of-william-tyrrell-investigation/news-story/c183e50568400b69ea8e306bc01b7441

'Commissioner wants politics taken out of William Tyrrell investigation​

'Cydonee Mardon'
'November 12, 2022 - 6:00AM'

'“Personalities” should be taken out of the investigation into the disappearance of William Tyrrell and the focus should be solely on finding the missing toddler, NSW’s Police Commissioner says.'
'“... the commissioner is a mother, a detective, someone who has worked in forensic services, surveillance and child mistreatment, a spokeswoman for Karen Webb told The Saturday Telegraph.”'
“If anyone wants to know the truth and find out what happened, it’s her.
“She doesn’t get involved in the politics and people. The commissioner I know just wants the facts, the truth.”

'NSW Labor MP Paul Lynch said this week: “Something seems quite wrong with the way the presumption of innocence has been trashed here.
“Focusing on only one alleged suspect gives a whiff of trying to build a particular case rather than investigating all avenues,” he said.
“I’d hate to think this is the result of how investigative agencies have responded to the enormous and legitimate public interest in this case.”

One Nation MP and former detective Rod Roberts believes the current police investigation should be scrapped and a fresh team of detectives appointed to start over.
Mr Roberts, a former senior instructor at the Detectives Training Course, said: “It’s been a dog’s breakfast of an investigation as far as I’m concerned.
“There needs to be a whole new team, a fresh set of eyes.
“They need to forget about the previous persons of interest that have been very publicly named, forget about everything previous cops have told them and start at the very beginning.”
Police looking into the disappearance declined to comment on the status of the investigation....
... Mr Roberts said that “hiding behind the fact” the coronial inquest was still active wasn’t good enough.'
“The coronial inquest can run it’s own course but in the background, you can have a fresh new team hunting for evidence that doesn’t interfere with the coronial process.
“They’ve used the media to announce suspects, searches, when it suits them.
“Yet now that investigative journalists are asking some hard questions, the cops are hiding behind the fact that the case is before the coroner. Well they’ve been saying stuff for the last eight years when it suits them.”
Mr Roberts pointed to the very public announcements of key persons of interest through the years – two have been cleared of any involvement in William’s disappearance.
Mr Roberts believes police went public about focusing on one person of interest and a subsequent high-profile search because they felt pressured to show they were making headway.
“I believe they felt under pressure because a week or two earlier the WA cops had found missing girl Chloe Smith.”
The little girl went missing from a camping site on the West Australian coast. Two weeks later she was found “alive and well” inside a Carnarvon home and a 36-year-old man was arrested nearby.
“The WA cops were heroes. In a couple of weeks they tracked down and found Chloe still alive and arrested the alleged offender.
“Then you have NSW police with this case and it’s going nowhere.
“I believe NSW cops felt pressured so they came out saying they were looking at one person, they knew where the body was, when clearly they don’t know where the body is.
“All of those pieces of fabric and other so-called evidence they took from the very public search site in Kendall. What did they find? What are the results of the forensics testing? We’ve heard nothing.”'

 

[31550]

An ex-detective One Nation MP has today been reported to have re-raised the Chloe Cleo Smith case potential impact on the William Tyrrell investigation.
Just like Chloe Christ Christopher Robin Hood Smith did back in Nov 2021.

The NSW Labor Shadow Attorney General, who has a very good chance of actually becoming the NSW Attorney General after the upcoming State Election in 4 months time has also weighed in on the William investigation, for what I think might be the first time, or at least the first time reported by the media.

With a relatively new Police Commissioner (announced 24 Nov 2021 a few weeks after the fosters were hauled before the NSW Crime Commission) any (if any change in NSW Government after the March 2023 State Election, should hopefully assist the William Tyrrell investigation, should it require a refresh, or new set of eyes.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-nsw/commissioner-wants-politics-taken-out-of-william-tyrrell-investigation/news-story/c183e50568400b69ea8e306bc01b7441

'Commissioner wants politics taken out of William Tyrrell investigation​

'Cydonee Mardon'
'November 12, 2022 - 6:00AM'

'“Personalities” should be taken out of the investigation into the disappearance of William Tyrrell and the focus should be solely on finding the missing toddler, NSW’s Police Commissioner says.'
'“... the commissioner is a mother, a detective, someone who has worked in forensic services, surveillance and child mistreatment, a spokeswoman for Karen Webb told The Saturday Telegraph.”'
“If anyone wants to know the truth and find out what happened, it’s her.
“She doesn’t get involved in the politics and people. The commissioner I know just wants the facts, the truth.”

'NSW Labor MP Paul Lynch said this week: “Something seems quite wrong with the way the presumption of innocence has been trashed here.
“Focusing on only one alleged suspect gives a whiff of trying to build a particular case rather than investigating all avenues,” he said.
“I’d hate to think this is the result of how investigative agencies have responded to the enormous and legitimate public interest in this case.”

One Nation MP and former detective Rod Roberts believes the current police investigation should be scrapped and a fresh team of detectives appointed to start over.
Mr Roberts, a former senior instructor at the Detectives Training Course, said: “It’s been a dog’s breakfast of an investigation as far as I’m concerned.
“There needs to be a whole new team, a fresh set of eyes.
“They need to forget about the previous persons of interest that have been very publicly named, forget about everything previous cops have told them and start at the very beginning.”
Police looking into the disappearance declined to comment on the status of the investigation....
... Mr Roberts said that “hiding behind the fact” the coronial inquest was still active wasn’t good enough.'
“The coronial inquest can run it’s own course but in the background, you can have a fresh new team hunting for evidence that doesn’t interfere with the coronial process.
“They’ve used the media to announce suspects, searches, when it suits them.
“Yet now that investigative journalists are asking some hard questions, the cops are hiding behind the fact that the case is before the coroner. Well they’ve been saying stuff for the last eight years when it suits them.”
Mr Roberts pointed to the very public announcements of key persons of interest through the years – two have been cleared of any involvement in William’s disappearance.
Mr Roberts believes police went public about focusing on one person of interest and a subsequent high-profile search because they felt pressured to show they were making headway.
“I believe they felt under pressure because a week or two earlier the WA cops had found missing girl Chloe Smith.”
The little girl went missing from a camping site on the West Australian coast. Two weeks later she was found “alive and well” inside a Carnarvon home and a 36-year-old man was arrested nearby.
“The WA cops were heroes. In a couple of weeks they tracked down and found Chloe still alive and arrested the alleged offender.
“Then you have NSW police with this case and it’s going nowhere.
“I believe NSW cops felt pressured so they came out saying they were looking at one person, they knew where the body was, when clearly they don’t know where the body is.
“All of those pieces of fabric and other so-called evidence they took from the very public search site in Kendall. What did they find? What are the results of the forensics testing? We’ve heard nothing.”'

What a farce. "Leave politics out!" then go on a rampage of political rhetoric.

 

[Awakening]

I really didn’t realise politics was influencing this case so badly in NSW.

It’s an even more awful situation if they’ve hounded another innocent person in this investigation for their own political reasons.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The ends never justifies the means. It's diabolical that a procession of police have considered themselves above the law to use the law as a tool of intimidation on what appears as a hunch. I don't know fosters involvement. I don't think police do either. Sgt Lonergan has said in court he thinks FM knows where WT body Is. Proof?Terrible. Smearing

They have been charged with:

Assault of a child
Lying to NSW crime commission
Property fraud

All imo designed to intimidate. The NSW commissioner has now come out and said there needs to be less politics in the investigation. Well don't make a public statement. Call YOUR staff into your office and kick them around the room for having no boundaries of integrity limiting their choices.

We are left with about a 30 to 40 minute window for a death to occur in care and a body to be hidden AND the window was limited by their own 000 call. Is that even possible?

I simply don't know

 

[Awakening]

The ends never justifies the means. It's diabolical that a procession of police have considered themselves above the law to use the law as a tool of intimidation on what appears as a hunch. I don't know fosters involvement. I don't think police do either. Sgt Lonergan has said in court he thinks FM knows where WT body Is. Proof?Terrible. Smearing

They have been charged with:

Assault of a child
Lying to NSW crime commission
Property fraud

All imo designed to intimidate. The NSW commissioner has now come out and said there needs to be less politics in the investigation. Well don't make a public statement. Call YOUR staff into your office and kick them around the room for having no boundaries of integrity limiting their choices.

We are left with about a 30 to 40 minute window for a death to occur in care and a body to be hidden AND the window was limited by their own 000 call. Is that even possible?

I simply don't know

Totally agree. And if we allow the police to behave that way, then we are all at risk.

I don’t know what happened to William, and remain on the fence.

It could well be unfair of me, but the fosters seem like unpleasant, unlikeable people. Doesn’t make them guilty of any crime.

 

[Awakening]

I do think it’s possible for a child to die and a cover up done in 30 to 40 minutes.

It’s surprised me before watching and listening to true crime just how fast some murders can be done and covered up and the perp showing up at work, a party, a restaurant like nothings happened to get an alibi.

Of course in most of these cases the perp is caught within a few months or years, but not all of them had the intelligence and resources of the fosters.

So yes I believe it’s possible. It’s also possible a predator saw him and grabbed him in the short time no one was watching him and got away without leaving any evidence or being seen by others in the street.

 

[Kurve]

If this is true, we can forget all of the statements from FM, FF and FGM and it also increases the likelihood that the timestamp on those last images were adjusted. We know that the FF was an IT guru and would know how to perform that modification. If WT was buried by the FM, then it is more likely in the opposite direction from the riding school and most likely near the cemetery or possibly in the cemetery. If the timestamp is fudged, then the FF may have also disposed of the body on his trip to Lakewood and it might have been the main reason he went there for a zoom call, which he would use later as an alibi.

One thing this does clear up is that phrase "Leave no Stone unturned", along with the unrelated charges over the past year, all designed to apply maximum pressure.

Probably a coincidence but Australian based Taskforce Argos uses 'Leave No Stone Unturned' as their motto and a scorpion as their emblem, for it's ability to look under rocks for spiders - rock spiders.

Argos investigates and infiltrates paedophile networks over social media and the dark web.

 

[31550]

If this is true, we can forget all of the statements from FM, FF and FGM and it also increases the likelihood that the timestamp on those last images were adjusted. We know that the FF was an IT guru and would know how to perform that modification. If WT was buried by the FM, then it is more likely in the opposite direction from the riding school and most likely near the cemetery or possibly in the cemetery. If the timestamp is fudged, then the FF may have also disposed of the body on his trip to Lakewood and it might have been the main reason he went there for a zoom call, which he would use later as an alibi.

One thing this does clear up is that phrase "Leave no Stone unturned", along with the unrelated charges over the past year, all designed to apply maximum pressure.

Do we "know" this about the FF, or are we just assuming? We know he worked for a company who sold real-estate software. But his role seemed to me to be one of sales and marketing, rather than in the software development or technical side.
Having heard him interviewed several times, he does not strike me as particularly intelligent. He is not articulate. He does not come across as particularly organised or logical in his thinking. By his own admission he suffered from stress and anxiety - not a cool, calm and collected tech nerd or IT guru as you suggest. He had difficulty explaining his work setup and use of different phones. A technically minded person would probably have described this better. Or maybe he is a skilled actor? We don't really 'know" any of this.

Modification of image timestamps is certainly something that CAN be done by people with the requisite skills, but to be able to accomplish it without detection by multiple expert forensic teams over eight years is an extraordinary talent. It would also suggest that William's disappearance was either pre-planned, and/or involved multiple parties conspiring together (at least FF and FM, but probably more). It would be staggering to think that such a conspiracy occurred right under the noses of expert police investigators and nobody cracked under pressure, or leaked, or made a mistake despite eight years of intense scrutiny.

 

[NRL Fan]

Do we "know" this about the FF, or are we just assuming? We know he worked for a company who sold real-estate software. But his role seemed to me to be one of sales and marketing, rather than in the software development or technical side.
Having heard him interviewed several times, he does not strike me as particularly intelligent. He is not articulate. He does not come across as particularly organised or logical in his thinking. By his own admission he suffered from stress and anxiety - not a cool, calm and collected tech nerd or IT guru as you suggest. He had difficulty explaining his work setup and use of different phones. A technically minded person would probably have described this better. Or maybe he is a skilled actor? We don't really 'know" any of this.

Modification of image timestamps is certainly something that CAN be done by people with the requisite skills, but to be able to accomplish it without detection by multiple expert forensic teams over eight years is an extraordinary talent. It would also suggest that William's disappearance was either pre-planned, and/or involved multiple parties conspiring together (at least FF and FM, but probably more). It would be staggering to think that such a conspiracy occurred right under the noses of expert police investigators and nobody cracked under pressure, or leaked, or made a mistake despite eight years of intense scrutiny

I don't see this FF theory as being a bigger "conspiracy" than the existing idea that WT was disposed of by the FM near the riding school, but there is no hard evidence, including for any theory at this stage. If the FF was involved in the disposal, then the image metadata on the camera pictures would need to be wrong and the picture would need to be taken at an earlier time. In terms of that corrected time of 9:37 there are a few things that we can say. Firstly, it does reasonably align with Bali time and therefore the story that the time on the camera had not been changed after the Bali trip does hold some water. Secondly, the EXIF metadata doesn't contain a field called "corrected time" and uses the device time that is set manually to insert the "date taken" field when you take a picture. I'm assuming this "Corrected Time" was determined by police and pasted onto the image for public release, based on the camera being set to Bali time when they took possession. So, maybe the FF didn't need to be all that clever ?. If the camera was set to AU EST time when they took the pictures and set back to Bali time afterwards, then no one would be the wiser and no editing of the EXIF metadata would be needed. The police would have noted the camera time was 2 hours early and taken that offset into account when they uploaded them from the camera. Or, the FF could have used an EXIF editing tool and modified the metadata on the camera images directly, meaning the Bali time was set on the device at the time the pictures were taken. If this was the case then the pictures could have been taken any time that morning and not just the 2 hours earlier. For example, 90 minutes earlier, etc. It's also not possible to tell if the EXIF data was modified by a specific editing tool, so the forensic conclusions cannot be definitive in this instance.

 

[31550]

I don't see this FF theory as being a bigger "conspiracy" than the existing idea that WT was disposed of by the FM

The former is a "conspiracy" because it involves multiple people, whereas the latter only needs to involve one person.

So, maybe the FF didn't need to be all that clever ?. If the camera was set to AU EST time when they took the pictures and set back to Bali time afterwards, then no one would be the wiser and no editing of the EXIF metadata would be needed.

ALL the photos on the camera were 'out' by the exact same amount of time.

It's also not possible to tell if the EXIF data was modified by a specific editing tool, so the forensic conclusions cannot be definitive in this instance.

Why do you think that? I believe it is detectable by forensic examination techniques to determine if a digital image has had its EXIF data manipulated from its original values. It would require special expertise to avoid such forensic detection.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

From the Daily Mail:

"The audio begins with a female voice, possibly of the girl, saying, 'I am calling the police' and then a child screaming 'no' and crying, panting and sobbing.

Then there is the sound of a possible slap and the foster mother ordering the child, 'Stand up. Stand up'.

The child said 'no, please no, nooooooo' and then was told to 'Sit down. Sit.'

Snr Sgt Asaad told the court that in a conversation after the incident the foster mother told her husband 'she's been hit really hard with that wooden spoon. She's going to have massive welt on her leg.'

The court was played a subsequent conversation in which the foster father says, 'Oh that's not good. We've got a problem. We've got a big problem.'"

From the Australian:

Audio played to the court allegedly captures the sound of a girl screaming and sobbing while a woman says “stand up, stand up”.

The girl can be heard threatening to call the police as the woman demands to know “where did you put the wooden spoon?”

The girl screams “Please no” before a sound, alleged to be smacking with the wooden spoon, is heard on the recording.

The foster mother cried in court as the audio was played.

A phone tap allegedly records the woman telling her husband she hit the child “really hard with that wooden spoon” just after he left the house, and that it would leave a massive welt on her leg.

“She’s still going on about it,” the woman allegedly tells her husband.

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Nothing in the above reporting indicates to me that there is a child hitting another child. IMO the wooden spoon had been used to discipline LT previously, so LT had perhaps hidden the wooden spoon in anticipation of being hurt with it.

My siblings and I used to do the same.

I really feel many people are overlooking how callous you have to be to hurt a child in these ways - striking a child, kicking a child, not responding with compassion when a child is pleading with you and sobbing.

I was also kicked as a child and it's not something you just forget about. It's abuse. And yes I do think it's even worse when that abuse is coming from foster parents - they had the resources to seek respite or assistance in their role as carers.

I really hope the FM is held responsible for her actions.

Side note: if you are kicking a 10-year-old who is fully capable of reporting you to authorities, what might you think you can get away with doing to a 3-year-old? IMO.

I dont disagree with that generally but the daily mail is a highly non credible agency (ie they dont fact check properly) and the australian isnt much better. Id want to see a far better quality source before i put the information in the fact rather than opinion basket.

 

[31550]

I dont disagree with that generally but the daily mail is a highly non credible agency (ie they dont fact check properly) and the australian isnt much better. Id want to see a far better quality source before i put the information in the fact rather than opinion basket.

Let me know if you find a "quality" source of information anywhere.

 

[NRL Fan]

The former is a "conspiracy" because it involves multiple people, whereas the latter only needs to involve one person.


ALL the photos on the camera were 'out' by the exact same amount of time.

Why do you think that? I believe it is detectable by forensic examination techniques to determine if a digital image has had its EXIF data manipulated from its original values. It would require special expertise to avoid such forensic detection.

Here is a link that describes the technique, which uses a hex editor.

Can EXIF Data Be Changed or Faked? - Your Photo Advisor

Many people don’t know this, but the EXIF data that is included with an image contains lots of information on location, date, camera type, and much more. EXIF

yourphotoadvisor.com

IMO - The corrected time was a guesstimate based on the camera time being set to Bali time. As I mentioned before, the EXIF metadata doesn't include any fields referenced as "Corrected Time" and therefore this can only have come from the assumption that the camera was set to Bali time. Below is an example of EXIF data from one of my own camera images, showing the "Date Taken".

 

[31550]

Here is a link that describes the technique, which uses a hex editor.

Can EXIF Data Be Changed or Faked? - Your Photo Advisor

Many people don’t know this, but the EXIF data that is included with an image contains lots of information on location, date, camera type, and much more. EXIF

yourphotoadvisor.com

IMO - The corrected time was a guesstimate based on the camera time being set to Bali time. As I mentioned before, the EXIF metadata doesn't include any fields referenced as "Corrected Time" and therefore this can only have come from the assumption that the camera was set to Bali time. Below is an example of EXIF data from one of my own camera images, showing the "Date Taken".

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Forensic investigators and companies such as X-Ways use a variety of techniques. They don't just look at EXIF data. They examine the camera and the physical media the images are stored on e.g. SD card or disk, as well as the image files themselves. If they simply relied on EXIF data, as you suggest, then they would add no value to the investigative process, because, as you note, EXIF data is easily manipulated. I am confident these experts are smarter than me, and probably smarter than FF, no matter if he's an IT guru or not.

 

[NRL Fan]

Forensic investigators and companies such as X-Ways use a variety of techniques. They don't just look at EXIF data. They examine the camera and the physical media the images are stored on e.g. SD card or disk, as well as the image files themselves. If they simply relied on EXIF data, as you suggest, then they would add no value to the investigative process, because, as you note, EXIF data is easily manipulated. I am confident these experts are smarter than me, and probably smarter than FF, no matter if he's an IT guru or not.

I'm reasonably certain that I could modify those files in a way that can't be detected and I'm no IT guru, so FF would probably be able to manage this, but I would agree there is uncertainty regarding his competence and ability to manage this action within the narrow time window.

 

[BFew]

within the narrow time window

The timeframe is not so narrow, if William never arrived at Kendall, and the pics were either taken on a completely different day, or photoshopped into existence.

 

[stormbird]

I think it's unlikely the time discrepancy on the photos or camera could still be an open question after all this time. It was raised as a problem during the inquest hearings in August 2019:

'Following an application from the counsel representing William’s biological father, the coroner ordered the independent review of the evidence to verify the discrepancy.
“I think it's important that that's dealt with in detail,” [Deputy state coroner Harriet Grahame] told the court. <...>
The coroner is now waiting on the findings of the independent review of the image."
- from an article published the following week: Questions raised over last ever photo taken of William Tyrrell, 10 daily, 02 Sep 2019 (the link goes to a Trove snapshot because the original webpage is gone)

The inquest had been suspended the week earlier, on 28 Aug 2019. Hearings resumed again between 09 and 18 March 2020, and I think it's likely the independent review could have been expected back before that, but let's say it wasn't. The inquest was adjourned because of Covid on 18 Mar 2020; then there was a directions hearing on 01 June 2020 - when I'm guessing the coroner could have ordered them to hurry up if the results still hadn't turned up. And the inquest resumed again on 06 October 2020, before supposedly reaching its final day and the family's statements on 08 Oct 2020. It was reported at the time that the coroner's findings would be handed down in June 2021, which to me makes it seem like she didn't need to wait for anything further.

I think it's interesting that the police statement by FM which is dated who-the-hell-knows (see post #7,342) shows on page 28 (paragraph 87) that police were aware of the problem back whenever that statement was taken. And it's hard to tell when that statement was taken because it reads like a rough draft complete with notes-to-self and empty spaces which I suppose had been left to be filled in later; and typos, and mistakes e.g. page 1 (paragraph 5) says that Detective Senior Sergeant Lambert of the Homicide Squad was interviewing FM on 17 March 2014... which would have been months before William went missing. The female foster carer and the witness, Detective Senior Constable Kristy Ford, Homicide Squad, signed the last page of the statement (page 29) and wrote the date as 15/10/18.

 

[31550]

The timeframe is not so narrow, if William never arrived at Kendall, and the pics were either taken on a completely different day, or photoshopped into existence.

If William never arrived at Kendall, then FM, FF and FGM all deliberately lied to police on multiple occasions, yet in eight years of investigation, the police have been unable to prove even a single lie by any of these. But also, more importantly, it means William's sister has also lied to investigators for the past eight years about the circumstances of William's disappearance. What motive would she have to keep lying. now that she is no longer in their care, and is ~ 12 years old?

 

[31550]

I think it's interesting that the police statement by FM which is dated who-the-hell-knows (see post #7,342) shows on page 28 (paragraph 87) that police were aware of the problem back whenever that statement was taken. And it's hard to tell when that statement was taken because it reads like a rough draft complete with notes-to-self and empty spaces which I suppose had been left to be filled in later; and typos, and mistakes e.g. page 1 (paragraph 5) says that Detective Senior Sergeant Lambert of the Homicide Squad was interviewing FM on 17 March 2014... which would have been months before William went missing. The female foster carer and the witness, Detective Senior Constable Kristy Ford, Homicide Squad, signed the last page of the statement (page 29) and wrote the date as 15/10/18.

I think the statement from post 7,342 is actually part of the police brief of evidence to the Coroner. It's composed from the FM Statement made in March 2015 (the 2014 is just a typo). The signatures and annotations were made in 2018 presumably as part of the preparation for this document to go to the coroner. The camera time discrepancy was certainly known to police in 2018, and it seems was also known back in 2015 when the statement was taken.

 

[stormbird]

I think the statement from post 7,342 is actually part of the police brief of evidence to the Coroner. It's composed from the FM Statement made in March 2015 (the 2014 is just a typo). The signatures and annotations were made in 2018 presumably as part of the preparation for this document to go to the coroner. The camera time discrepancy was certainly known to police in 2018, and it seems was also known back in 2015 when the statement was taken.

As far as I've seen, no one reported the reasons for the coroner seeking an independent review of the time discrepancy. Best-case scenario, maybe by 2019 there were new forensic tools or techniques that hadn't been available to police in 2015, 2016, 2017, or 2018.