Opinion Do you rate Buckley as coach?

[Optimax]

Too early for me to vote

I've got a heap of concerns, but after 1 season with a lot inturruptions I am not sure how my to blame on his coaching ability or lack there of. I would hope we have a very clear, set and structured game plan and system next year because currently I can't see it again is that the inturruptions or coaches fault? (Or both?)

I would also like he gave less to the media, he doesn't have to speak in riddles like mock does but not as open as he has been. They will Shit on us regardless of how open he is

 

[DaicosianMarvels]

Why do you think we will slide?

(Not agreeing or disagreeing, just asking)

Well the Swans, Hawks, Crows are already ahead of us. I think WCE and Freo will go past us. If we trade two experienced players for a draft pick, that won't help us at all. Loosing two players thins out our depth especially when replacing them with a young draftee. On top of that we are getting rid of some depth players. I would say we will fall to 6th. I don't know how much more improvement we got left in us.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Was an consideration given to blocking it?

No.

This poll was posted by an Eagles supporter and whilst it appears genuine it could also be interpreted as an attempt to cause angst.

As I write this, the poll is running at 93% in support of Buckley. The angst in this thread seems under control, wouldn't you say?

Just curious 76.

No worries - appreciate you asking.

 

[jmac70]

No.



As I write this, the poll is running at 93% in support of Buckley. The angst in this thread seems under control, wouldn't you say?



No worries - appreciate you asking.

That's fine, as I said I was just curious in regards to the policy. The result of the poll clearly shows that this particular topic is not overly controversial. I am sure if I posted a "Did the Hawks choke in the Grand Final" poll on the Hawthorn board that I would be wearing a red card pretty quickly!

 

[76woodenspooners]

I am sure if I posted a "Did the Hawks choke in the Grand Final" poll on the Hawthorn board that I would be wearing a red card pretty quickly!

I don't know. All the boards are moderated independently. We can't speak for the Hawks board. But if an opposition supporter created a dispectful poll on our board, and you reported it to us - then yes, we'd likely take action.

But that's not the case with this thread.

That's fine, as I said I was just curious in regards to the policy. The result of the poll clearly shows that this particular topic is not overly controversial.

It was a North Melbourne poster who created a thread about who'd we'd rather play in the PF (WCE or NM). From memory the poll was split fairly evenly, and it was an good example of how opposition posters can initiate good discussion.

 

[jerry springer]

For years of hearing about Bucks tactical nous, I was very disappointed. Didn't seem very innovative at all

Prepared to give the man 3 years before passing judgement though.

 

[jerry springer]

Too early for me to vote

I've got a heap of concerns, but after 1 season with a lot inturruptions I am not sure how my to blame on his coaching ability or lack there of. I would hope we have a very clear, set and structured game plan and system next year because currently I can't see it again is that the inturruptions or coaches fault? (Or both?)

This X 10

Im worried in 10 years we will look back at one flag with a great list and wonder WTF happened?...... a lot like essendon 1999-2001

 

[SuperSub17]

Well the Swans, Hawks, Crows are already ahead of us. I think WCE and Freo will go past us. If we trade two experienced players for a draft pick, that won't help us at all. Loosing two players thins out our depth especially when replacing them with a young draftee. On top of that we are getting rid of some depth players. I would say we will fall to 6th. I don't know how much more improvement we got left in us.

I don't think Adelaide are ahead of us. They had an easy draw and will lose Tippett next year. The Swans are an unknown quantity imo, and despite winning the flag they won the same number of games as us. West Coast and Freo don't worry me either because both don't play overly well away from Perth.

 

[Knightmare]

It's too early to call but so far so good and for this season Nathan has to get a tick considering what the team has been through.

Obviously presents well to the media and public but coaching ability with only the one year you just can't yet call and until you see it over a larger sample of years you just can't accurately call just how good he is/will become.

Last year I liked the Neeld and Sanderson appointments more and felt they would go on to have greater coaching success than Nathan, but with Nathan you know he is going to put his all in and get the most out of himself so it will be very interesting to watch his coaching development.


Somewhat irrelevant to this topic. But Nathan Bassett would be an incredible addition to next years coaching staff. What he has done with Norwood (SA) these past two seasons has been incredible and right now he is the best aspiring coach not on an AFL list by some stretch and for our young developing group could very quickly become the best development coach in the league and probably the next year would pretty quickly find himself in a senior coaching position. He is that good.

 

[Old Spice]

It's interesting I think to look at Hawthorn under Clarkson. The Hawks won the flag in 08, but then toppled to position 9 the very next year, 7 in 2010. Now if another coach had taken over from Clarkson at the end of 08, everyone ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT FAIL, would have blamed that radical drop off on the new coach, not Clarkson.

You can say they achieved early, but it took another 4 years before they returned for a Grand Final and lost that one. Nevertheless, you'd say Clarkson is a great coach. He also knew he had to totally change his game plan from a cluster to a short-kicking possession game. You don't milk an out-dated formula when it's time is up. Box-press anyone? Highly taxing, see 2011.

And just because fans don't know what the new structure is, doesn't mean there isn't one. That is just batshit. Some of you may know I write for Maxy and I texted him several weeks ago about this whole game-plan furore and the shit-storm surrounding it with some going tropo. Without revealing the content verbatim, his response was fairly crisp and basically said the players had to learn the structure - much as they did with Mick (me) - and had to grind out wins.

Our injuries have been enormousy disrupting on top of that. Hawthorn had Croad out for the whole season in 09 and Roughead for a fair chunk, and that really hampered them, so much so they didn't even make the eight. Our injuries have been more significant this year. Essendon and Carlton were swimming nicely until their injuries saw them taking a serious nose-dive.

And just on our wins and losses, some people have presented an absolute caricature of our season. It's a joke.

Our games where we won by a goal or less were Anzac Day (when Essendon were still good), West Coast (rd 13) and St Kilda (rd 19). We lost 3 times to Hawks (a la Cats in 2011), twice to Carlton, and once to North Melbourne and West Coast.

We beat West Coast in the Semi. We beat Sydney in the home and away as well as Adelaide (both of those EPIC wins, especially the last). We absolutely pantsed the swamp-dwellers. We by no means were rolled by all top teams, or had close games with the bottom feeders.

Only Hawthorn and Carlton had our measure this season.

We'd also do well to recall how we dropped off the cliff post 2003 after two years of playing GFs.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

That's fine, as I said I was just curious in regards to the policy. The result of the poll clearly shows that this particular topic is not overly controversial. I am sure if I posted a "Did the Hawks choke in the Grand Final" poll on the Hawthorn board that I would be wearing a red card pretty quickly!

I don't believe I will ever have access to the Carlton board again. Switching usernames does not help - ISPs rather than usernames must be blocked. Not having access with Malthouse now appointed as coach is a little frustrating. I think Carlton are probably the most fragile board at dealing with mild criticism.

 

[SuperSub17]

It's interesting I think to look at Hawthorn under Clarkson. The Hawks won the flag in 08, but then toppled to position 9 the very next year, 7 in 2010. Now if another coach had taken over from Clarkson at the end of 08, everyone ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT FAIL, would have blamed that radical drop off on the new coach, not Clarkson.

You can say they achieved early, but it took another 4 years before they returned for a Grand Final and lost that one. Nevertheless, you'd say Clarkson is a great coach. He also knew he had to totally change his game plan from a cluster to a short-kicking possession game. You don't milk an out-dated formula when it's time is up. Box-press anyone? Highly taxing, see 2011.

And just because fans don't know what the new structure is, doesn't mean there isn't one. That is just batshit. Some of you may know I write for Maxy and I texted him several weeks ago about this whole game-plan furore and the shit-storm surrounding it with some going tropo. Without revealing the content verbatim, his response was fairly crisp and basically said the players had to learn the structure - much as they did with Mick (me) - and had to grind out wins.

Our injuries have been enormousy disrupting on top of that. Hawthorn had Croad out for the whole season in 09 and Roughead for a fair chunk, and that really hampered them, so much so they didn't even make the eight. Our injuries have been more significant this year. Essendon and Carlton were swimming nicely until their injuries saw them taking a serious nose-dive.

And just on our wins and losses, some people have presented an absolute caricature of our season. It's a joke.

Our games where we won by a goal or less were Anzac Day (when Essendon were still good), West Coast (rd 13) and St Kilda (rd 19). We lost 3 times to Hawks (a la Cats in 2011), twice to Carlton, and once to North Melbourne and West Coast.

We beat West Coast in the Semi. We beat Sydney in the home and away as well as Adelaide (both of those EPIC wins, especially the last). We absolutely pantsed the swamp-dwellers. We by no means were rolled by all top teams, or had close games with the bottom feeders.

Only Hawthorn and Carlton had our measure this season.

We'd also do well to recall how we dropped off the cliff post 2003 after two years of playing GFs.

Great post. Some people's interpretations of our season border on farcical.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Last year I liked the Neeld and Sanderson appointments more and felt they would go on to have greater coaching success than Nathan...

Neeld is obviously operating on a different plane. But how would you compare Buckley and Sanderson's first seasons?

When you said that that you liked the other appointments more than Buckley's, do you mean 'Buckley to Collingwood' or do you just mean just 'Buckley' in general? Do you think Buckley might have gone better or worse at North Melbourne, or would it not made any difference?

Somewhat irrelevant to this topic. But Nathan Bassett would be an incredible addition to next years coaching staff. What he has done with Norwood (SA) these past two seasons has been incredible and right now he is the best aspiring coach not on an AFL list by some stretch and for our young developing group could very quickly become the best development coach in the league ...

I thought we already had the best Development Coach in the league? Didn't Hahn get AFLCA award for best development coach a few weeks ago?

But your point is valid - I guess there can always be a place found for good people.

It looks like there isn't going to be much change to the coaching panel this off-season? I guess after the disruptions of the last few seasons it's good to have stability and continuity.

 

[Old Spice]

This X 10

Im worried in 10 years we will look back at one flag with a great list and wonder WTF happened?...... a lot like essendon 1999-2001

And this is a good case in point. Essendon absolutely smashed everyone in 2000, but then dropped away. And yet - and this goes to the thread topic - it wasn't because of a coaching change. Sheedy was still in charge, but I am quite certain if Mick took over in 2000, every man and his dog would have blamed him for the drop off.

But the fact is cups are bloody hard to achieve.

The Hawks this year looked like they'd strangle anyone before them, but they went very flat in the prelim and GF. Not too dissimilar to the Pies last year, although our flat patch began earlier. Our bogey team was the Cats, Hawthorn's was Sydney - who gave them a serve earlier in the year and stole away in the 2nd H&A encounter and were unlucky to lose. They gave them a serve in the GF.

You have to consider so many factors in a team not making it all the way. Some people, admittedly not many, just want to funnell it all toward Buckley as the sole cause. This in spite of the fact that it's common knowledge our injury list was extensive and our game plan had to be re-jigged.

 

[Knightmare]

Neeld is obviously operating on a different plane. But how would you compare Buckley and Sanderson's first seasons?

When you said that that you liked the other appointments more than Buckley's, do you mean 'Buckley to Collingwood' or do you just mean just 'Buckley' in general? Do you think Buckley might have gone better or worse at North Melbourne, or would it not made any difference?



I thought we already had the best Development Coach in the league? Didn't Hahn get AFLCA award for best development coach a few weeks ago?

But your point is valid - I guess there can always be a place found for good people.

It looks like there isn't going to be much change to the coaching panel this off-season? I guess after the disruptions of the last few seasons it's good to have stability and continuity.

I'd give Sanderson the edge based solely on season 1. Coming from where they did, while losing key players in Gunston and Davis and still making the top 4. Incredible first year and turning it around that fast was just incredible. It was almost a league best coaching job if not the best in the league for the year which for a first year coach is incredibly impressive.

I'm not so sure with Buckley that the club necessarily matters. It's more I regarded some others (Neeld and Sanderson) specifially as the two best coaching gets last year. What Neeld did under Malthouse as the senior assistant was just incredible and what he did when he coached the midfield group was absolutely sensational.

Then Sanderson was a big part of that Geelong dynasty and first hand got that experience from 2007 and played a massive role in building that machine.


I'm unaware that Hahn has won a development coaching award at any stage. He might very well have.

Why I hold Bassett in such high regard is because he has turned an incredible number of players he has developed. He is responsible for Paul Puopolo, the re-invented Darren Pfeiffer, the development of Luke Brown (now Adelaide) from nowhere along with Sam Rowe, Cameron Shenton, Nick Duigan and Nick Lower these past two seasons. It's staggering for a state league team that he has been able to develop all this talent.
I think for development right now he just goes without equal at any level and would be a massive asset for any club smart enough to woo him.


Our coaching panel probably stays much the same and it probably needs another year before it can be properly evaluated but at the same time I wouldn't be opposed to change because it is hardly the Malthouse led coaching crew featuring Neeld, Watters and Buckley and hopefully can build into a similarly strong unit again at some point down the road.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I'd give Sanderson ...

Thanks Knightmare.

I'm unaware that Hahn has won a development coaching award at any stage. He might very well have.

My mistake - wrong person. It was our development head, Craig McCrae - AFLCA article here.

http://aflca.com.au/index.php?id=14&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1075&tx_ttnews[backPid]=9&cHash=92c2ccccc3

A new award for 2012 was also presented to Craig McRae from Collingwood F.C who won the Sports Learning Australia Development Coach of the Year.

http://aflca.com.au/index.php?id=14&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1075&tx_ttnews[backPid]=9&cHash=92c2ccccc3

 

[Knightmare]

Thanks Knightmare.



My mistake - wrong person. It was our development head, Craig McCrae - AFLCA article here.

http://aflca.com.au/index.php?id=14&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1075&tx_ttnews[backPid]=9&cHash=92c2ccccc3



http://aflca.com.au/index.php?id=14&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1075&tx_ttnews[backPid]=9&cHash=92c2ccccc3

Well done to McRae. Would be interested to know the criteria behind the award.

With Hahn he is so new to coaching having just come out of the game so that would have been somewhat surprising to see him win an award of this type so quickly.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

How do feel that Mick said he couldn't coach against this group yet accepted the Carlton job?

 

[jmac70]

How do feel that Mick said he couldn't coach against this group yet accepted the Carlton job?

This is a troll.

 

[RuFiO]

Too early to tell. But if I had to give percentages based on this year I'd be leaning to 51% not rating him and 49% rating him.

 

[danielnajdek]

How do feel that Mick said he couldn't coach against this group yet accepted the Carlton job?

You don't wanna know what I really feel towards MM because I'll be banned for life on this site.

Lets just say I'm very happy that Nathan is the coach. No bullshit talking at press conferences which irritated me about MM.

There's always gonna be the usual Bucks haters on here. Quite sick of reading the crap they write.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

This is a troll.

It isn't just seeing if it irritated you, or you support his ambition to continue coaching

 

[jmac70]

It isn't just seeing if it irritated you, or you support his ambition to continue coaching

Why? Unless it is to bump your thread back to the top and annoy us. Of course we are annoyed by Mick's comments.

 

[76woodenspooners]

How do feel that Mick said he couldn't coach against this group yet accepted the Carlton job?

You created this thread to talk about Buckley.

Please keep it on topic.

If you genuinely want to know how Collingwood folk feel about that topic, there is already a mountain of material on this board about it. Search for it.

 

[noideaatall]

How do feel that Mick said he couldn't coach against this group yet accepted the Carlton job?

I feel great.

Some might see it as more evidence of 'MM the terrible'. I just think it confirms what we have seen in the past: MM is largely directed by his heart/emotions not rational thought. No biggie, but certainly not a strength for him.

From the pies point of view I think its fantastic. Really helps bring closure to the MM years and the whole transition saga. Whatever happened in the past there is surely no doubt he is now the enemy.