Dockers Record Profit Again

[TheLoris]

Ok, if you say so.

Ok then, what do think about the place??

 

[TheLoris]

Certainty,commitment and timing are critical factors in planning and decision making.
Freo council was tardy,a little conceited and foolish on all three.

Agree, but FFC was happy to work with them until Cockburn came along with some $$ and then they pretty much sold out

 

[scon]

As I said in big money deals it's essential you have a meticulous and pragmatic appreciation of market realities.

 

[TheLoris]

As I said in big money deals it's essential you have a meticulous and pragmatic appreciation of market realities.

So you are saying it's ok for the club to be sold out for some short term $$.

I disagree..

 

[scon]

The council was tardy which you may have agreed to.
As a consequence the club(Steves) secured an alternative and then presented the parallel universe to the Freo Council.
Subsequently the ideal was never secured.
I believe both the town and the club suffer.
However I look forward to visiting the Cockburn facility.

 

[TheLoris]

All true, but just such a massive lost opportunity........I'm not sure that I'll ever be able to accept that two Claremont boys have taken the Freo Footy club away from Freo.....I'll try, but I don't think I'll ever be able to accept it. I mean two blokes that are as Freo as bay view terrace have somehow taken our club from Freo....I just can't embrace it. It actually really burns me up...badly. I just love Freo so much and seeing our footy club taken away sucks big time

 

[Frank J Moose]

If they could come up with facilities at Freo Oval that could be comparable with the rest of the AFL they would have stayed at Freo Oval. But AFL football has outgrown Freo Oval. The site is too small. They sent the rehab group to East Freo oval this week. That is not unacceptable in a professional world. Two Ovals are needed. You just can't get that at Freo Oval.

It's not money or trying to piss off old supporters or a conspiracy because thr Steve's are evil bastards. It just because you cant get the training facilities a top level AFL club needs shoehorned into the Freo site.

Look at Hawthorn. They are packing up from Waverly because they've out grown that site into a super new facility in Dingley. A revamped Freo oval would be struggling to match Waverley.

Spiritually the decision sucks. Performance wise it's a no brainer.

 

[DannyTheDoorman]

Things are apparently operating well, but I'll let you know for sure when they open the members' social club at Fremantle Cockburn.

I still sometimes wonder why the quality of membership trinkets is inversely proportional to the cost of the annual membership increases, but then I remember that I'm only a member and therefore of little consequence to the club.

Who said anything about a Member's Social Club at Cockburn? It is a Training and Administration Centre as far as I know and if there was to be such a club for Docker's members I thought it would have been mentioned at the last AGM (which I attended) as one of the features of the new facility when they presented information about it but it wasn't mentioned.

 

[DannyTheDoorman]

All true, but just such a massive lost opportunity........I'm not sure that I'll ever be able to accept that two Claremont boys have taken the Freo Footy club away from Freo.....I'll try, but I don't think I'll ever be able to accept it. I mean two blokes that are as Freo as bay view terrace have somehow taken our club from Freo....I just can't embrace it. It actually really burns me up...badly. I just love Freo so much and seeing our footy club taken away sucks big time

Wich two ? The Steve's? Would love to know how you rate them (e.g. on what basis) as Claremont boys if that's who you are referring to.

 

[TheLoris]

Wich two ? The Steve's? Would love to know how you rate them (e.g. on what basis) as Claremont boys if that's who you are referring to.

Rosich and Harris... they both come across as motivated but untrustworthy people. I wouldn't trust them to tell me the time.

 

[salim malik]

You forgot to mention your personal conversations with the steves to put more weight to your argument.

Yep brekkie with them and Mundy for all the goss

 

[salim malik]

Total garbage. It you knew anything about the place, you'd know that Brad is doing plenty to take Freo forward. Right wing religious cronies?? Are u sure understand what right wing is? The city is really moving in the right direction, even tonight we have Laneway on. Maybe in the past the Freo council were against change, but now it is being embraced. Brad and co were doing everything possible to keep the club in Freo towards the end(yes not at the start), but the admin were seduced by the $$ and a greenfield site. The colours are the same as what I suggested and I repeat, the song process was a balls up.

But keep you blinkers on.....

Sorry Brad but tell me why have you allowed the only decent arcade in Freo , Atwell arcade to be demolished. The arcade could have been a centre piece of Freo
Is that the type of change you're talking about?

 

[salim malik]

I note you chose to ignore my point about the Harvey years, so your credit where it's due idea seems to be selective. The last 4 years success is due to having a better list, as I said, so I'll give the credit to our players and the coach.

The social club would be at the club of course. We're stuck with Cockburn, so it would be there. Somewhere I could drop in for a drink during and after the game without being ripped off like the unwashed masses who don't pay a membership.

Oh Reg social clubs are so yesterday. Harvey years meh, what about them.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

Who said anything about a Member's Social Club at Cockburn? It is a Training and Administration Centre as far as I know and if there was to be such a club for Docker's members I thought it would have been mentioned at the last AGM (which I attended) as one of the features of the new facility when they presented information about it but it wasn't mentioned.

I was being sarcastic. Of course there won't be any member facilities there, the club doesn't appreciate its members.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

Oh Reg social clubs are so yesterday. Harvey years meh, what about them.

How can they be so yesterday when we've never had one?

The Harvey years which everybody remembers with such fondness were during the Steves' reign of super management.

 

[salim malik]

As I said in big money deals it's essential you have a meticulous and pragmatic appreciation of market realities.

Cockburn was a no brainer. That southern corridor is growing like wildfire. The potential for future fans and fan dollars is something the club could not miss out on. FFC is a business and with all business's they need to make decisions in their best interest . Cockburn was the best decision. Getting the best dollar result was the correct way to go.
I love Freo ,been going to the oval for 60 odd years. Born and raised in Freo. A South Tce and Freo boys ex student . The facts are Freo oval site was not big enough for the facilities that an AFL club needs. The council were also anal in the heritage restrictions they put on building at Freo oval.
I do have to laugh at the keep the Dockers in Freo crew . None get to training and the WAFL crowds are dismal .If they were so concerned at moving maybe a few might have turned up at the ground over the last 10 years and maybe had a drink in the bulldogs social club.

 

[salim malik]

How can they be so yesterday when we've never had one?

The Harvey years which everybody remembers with such fondness were during the Steves' reign of super management.

As with all new good management ,you need time to assess the lay of the land. They came in ,assessed and got rid of the dead wood in Harvey.

 

[salim malik]

I was being sarcastic. Of course there won't be any member facilities there, the club doesn't appreciate its members.

I along with 99'9% of members feel loved and appreciated. Come down to training and grab a cuddle.

 

[DannyTheDoorman]

Rosich and Harris... they both come across as motivated but untrustworthy people. I wouldn't trust them to tell me the time.

Where did you get the idea they were from Claremont ?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

If they could come up with facilities at Freo Oval that could be comparable with the rest of the AFL they would have stayed at Freo Oval. But AFL football has outgrown Freo Oval. The site is too small. They sent the rehab group to East Freo oval this week. That is not unacceptable in a professional world. Two Ovals are needed. You just can't get that at Freo Oval.

It's not money or trying to piss off old supporters or a conspiracy because thr Steve's are evil bastards. It just because you cant get the training facilities a top level AFL club needs shoehorned into the Freo site.

Look at Hawthorn. They are packing up from Waverly because they've out grown that site into a super new facility in Dingley. A revamped Freo oval would be struggling to match Waverley.

Spiritually the decision sucks. Performance wise it's a no brainer.

Could not agree more with this post.

Thread has gone off on a tangent with the Freo v Cockburn council discussion and the evaluation of the potential evil-ness of the Steve's but the practical reality of the situation is that the move was unfortunately necessary to keep pace with the trendsetters of the competition.

Space + a greenfields site was ultimately always going to factor heavily in the decision. I assume there was a financial aspect to it too - but even without that the move was in the wings.

 

[DannyTheDoorman]

Rosich and Harris... they both come across as motivated but untrustworthy people. I wouldn't trust them to tell me the time.

Where the hell do you link the Steve's to Claremont from ?

 

[XXRL]

I couldn't care less where the team trains tbh - having top line facilities is the most important criterion.

I'm grateful to the training watchers for their reports and I would guess that in all likelihood they'll still go to Cockburn or wherever the team trains.

Regarding the Steves, I give them a tick for sacking Harvey and getting Lyon, I'm happy enough with the colour change, the song business was a bit crappy.

As for how members are treated. I don't think it's too bad given there's close to 50,000 of us and AFL clubs are big business these days.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Could not agree more with this post.

Thread has gone off on a tangent with the Freo v Cockburn council discussion and the evaluation of the potential evil-ness of the Steve's but the practical reality of the situation is that the move was unfortunately necessary to keep pace with the trendsetters of the competition.

Space + a greenfields site was ultimately always going to factor heavily in the decision. I assume there was a financial aspect to it too - but even without that the move was in the wings.

The clincher was when Freo Council insisted the Dockers new facility had to be carbon neutral. ...... Bloody fruitcakes.

 

[E Shed]

I've never opened this thread as I don't really care much about the money side of things but I saw it had gotten to 5 pages and I wondered how long it would have taken to reach "sack the Steves" . . .

 

[DannyTheDoorman]

Cockburn was a no brainer. That southern corridor is growing like wild

I couldn't care less where the team trains tbh - having top line facilities is the most important criterion.

I'm grateful to the training watchers for their reports and I would guess that in all likelihood they'll still go to Cockburn or wherever the team trains.

Regarding the Steves, I give them a tick for sacking Harvey and getting Lyon, I'm happy enough with the colour change, the song business was a bit crappy.

As for how members are treated. I don't think it's too bad given there's close to 50,000 of us and AFL clubs are big business these days.

It's some 52000 plus members that the club now has as advised at our last AGM. So that is a damn good result when stacked against some of the Victorian teams.